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Michael Schiavo thinking of his own political future when he endorsed Tim Kaine(D)? (that Schiavo)
National Journal ^ | Nov. 3, 2005 | National Journal

Posted on 11/06/2005 6:14:01 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Reading through the thread,and saw your post mentioning Sheehan. They do have something in common - fame from the death of a family member.


51 posted on 11/07/2005 9:03:16 AM PST by LucyJo ("I have overcome the world." "Abide in Me." (John 16:33; 15:4)
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To: Salamander
That epitaph is beyond abominable

I wonder if his mistress helped him choose it?

52 posted on 11/07/2005 9:05:44 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Maybe "conscience" wasn't exactly the right word.

That stone -proves- me to that he knows exactly what he did and that he is well aware of what the public believes of him.

The hypocritical "I kept my promise" is a transparent public hand-washing/propaganda worthy of Pontius Pilate.

It's a bald-faced attempt to convince himself [and anyone who wanders by] of his "principles".





53 posted on 11/07/2005 4:52:49 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: Former Military Chick
Schiavo's PR firm...

LOL. Schiavo for President? He could follow in the tradition of Bubba Clinton, another woman-hating lounge lizard...

54 posted on 11/07/2005 4:55:09 PM PST by veronica (What will "Ronnie" think? The question that obsesses the internut clowns...)
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To: Salamander
[That epitaph is beyond abominable]

Just think. He could add "vote for Mike!" to it...

55 posted on 11/07/2005 4:56:14 PM PST by veronica (What will "Ronnie" think? The question that obsesses the internut clowns...)
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To: Republican Wildcat

If I were her, I'd sleep with one eye open [or not at all] and remain utterly, completely healthy at all times.

It amazes me that she stays with him.
Either she's an idiot or an accomplice.

When you marry a man who kills his wife, that's exactly what you have.


56 posted on 11/07/2005 4:56:38 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: veronica

I don't think they allow neon in cemeteries....;]


57 posted on 11/07/2005 4:57:30 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: floriduh voter

I guess he just had to score that last point against the Schindlers.

After all, she was merely their flesh and blood.


In the face of adversity, hubby always says "no matter what happens, they can't take my name away from me."

Obviously, he's never been the wife of an abusive husband....;))

[I have and that's not all they can take away from you]





58 posted on 11/07/2005 5:02:35 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: floriduh voter

Why does that graphic you posted in #46 mention a *black* robed judge? I have never seen a judge wearing any other color. I believe black is traditional in this country. I am not sure how mentioning the color of the judge's robe does anything for your cause.


59 posted on 11/07/2005 5:17:18 PM PST by countess
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To: BykrBayb
Sorry it took me so long to get back to this one.

The event occurred on March 21, 2005 Edition of the Dom Giordano Show on 1210AM WHPT, which is Philadelphia's blowtorch station.

It's no longer in Dom's archives, but I dug up the Live thread for the Dom G Show for that day, which contains the info...

SCOTT AND STEVE SCHIAVO TO BE ON DOM GIODANO 1210 AM PHILADELPHIA!!!

That's the only link that I still have. Dom G doesn't have it on his page anymore. You might be able to find a discussion of it in the Hannity Broadcast from Philadelphia Transcript from around that time (3/21/05), although truth be known I do not listen to Hannity all that much. It came up on there, too.

Lastly, there is Glenn Beck's website, which I will search next. I don't like only having one source left.

60 posted on 11/07/2005 9:49:05 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: countess; floriduh voter

Haven't you ever heard that expression before? It's fairly common. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22black+robed+judge%22&hl=en&lr=&filter=0


61 posted on 11/08/2005 12:31:17 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Salamander

I think the words were meant to be a last slap in the face towards Terri's family.


62 posted on 11/08/2005 7:31:46 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: NYer; Salvation

May be of interest to Catholic ping lists because that low-life Schiavo endorsed the Demo candidate running for Virginia's governorship in today's election. Kaine is another one of those "pro-choice" liberal CINOs.


63 posted on 11/08/2005 8:21:32 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, no more money for Hamastine!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Not necessarily the last slap, but definitely another slap.


64 posted on 11/08/2005 8:21:48 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: AZ_Cowboy

Thank you. I'd love to get a copy of that interview in mp3 format.


65 posted on 11/08/2005 8:23:21 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
Haven't you ever heard that expression before? It's fairly common. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22black+robed+judge%22&hl=en&lr=&filter=0

You proved my point. 304 google hits is not "fairly common"; it is actually quite smallish. I looked at the first 10 hits and 4 of them are about Terri, so maybe it is more common in Terri-themed writings.

Using the black robe reference as a method of denigrating a judge seems silly when you are only mad at one of them. After all, Clarence Thomas wears a black robe.

66 posted on 11/08/2005 8:25:36 AM PST by countess
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To: BykrBayb

You'd think he could at least pretend to have some sensitivity.


67 posted on 11/08/2005 9:49:57 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: countess

I proved that it is a fairly common expression. You could google up variations of it and come up with hundreds more examples. If you haven't heard of it before, that's your problem. Could you at least jump ahead, and make your point? Explain to us how your lack of knowledge justifies exterminating disabled people. That is your point, isn't it? Please quit wasting time trying to evaluate a common expression that you can't understand. Get to your real reason for being here.


68 posted on 11/08/2005 10:54:35 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

You are really reading a lot into my comment. As far as the thread TOPIC, I think its kind of pathetic that Shaivo thinks he has something to add to VA politics. He lives and works in FL so his interest is obviously unseemly and agenda-driven.

I was only making a point about the black-robed judge comment. All judges wear black robes. The good ones and the bad ones. The clothing has nothing to do with the man or woman inside. It is an obscure colloquilism at best.


69 posted on 11/08/2005 11:45:30 AM PST by countess
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To: countess

It's an expression that refers to a certain type of judge. Are you done nitpicking yet?

I don't see what's wrong with a person from one state endorsing a politician in a race in another state. But an endorsement from Schiavo, Simpson, Manson, or Kavorkian is the kiss of death.


70 posted on 11/08/2005 11:53:46 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

No doubt.


71 posted on 11/08/2005 7:28:05 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight)
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To: Former Military Chick

Barf


72 posted on 11/16/2005 4:29:34 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Never forget what they did to Terri Schindler Schiavo!!!)
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To: MontanaBeth

She said she would not want to live in a persistant vegetative state (so did Krauthammer, so did I, for that matter, and, since you're the one with all the answers, here's a question: who the heck would???). The inability to discriminate is a sign of a form of lunacy or idiocy. DUers display same. For example, comparing Bush to Hitler. Unfortunately, such lunacy is common. The inability to distinguish pulling the plug on a person without a brain stem and murdering, say, a healthy six year old child for his bicycle, well..... might as well sign up at DU. That is not an insult, it is just a recommendation :)


73 posted on 11/16/2005 4:39:41 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: BykrBayb

I would say, first of all, thanks for your welcome! Nice of you. Second, I would say AGAIN (!) that life and dignity are inseparable. Third, I would say that we pull the plug on lots of persons, such as children born without brain stems. Does your founder have a thought about that? Do you? Fourth, if so, where is your daily posts decrying these daily occurrences? Fifth, you (and others, perhaps with blessing of the founder) have been exploting, in my opinion, a tragedy for your personal... (can't think of a word here)... gestault. Schtick. Meshugana. Whatever. But such exploitation is unbecoming a reasonable thinking person. And it's intellectually vapid, dishonest, and irrational as well. That's just my opinion. I think I'm entitled to it -- I'm a conservative, after all. Again, happy to be here - thanks!


74 posted on 11/16/2005 4:44:45 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: Republican Wildcat

Get lost? Hehe! Good use of a post! Keep up the good work! Hehe!


75 posted on 11/16/2005 4:45:43 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: shibumi
Your grasp of the facts in this case appears to be amost as good as your grammatical construction. Grammatical construction? As opposed to grammar? A PhD in English, I presume, with honors.
76 posted on 11/16/2005 4:47:54 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: BagelFace; Jim Robinson

I don't speak for the founder of Free Republic. I merely provided you with a link to a statement by him. If you want to know his position on the right to life, read that statement. If you'd like further information about his position, ask him, not me.

You chose to join the discussion about Michael Schiavo having Terri Schiavo euthanized. After reviewing my posts for a couple weeks, instead of responding to my post, you questioned me about a different subject entirely. I have no obligation to drop everything I'm doing to research your interests, and provide you a thorough evaluation from my perspective. Let's stick to the subject at hand, shall we?

You have a very strange interpretation of what exploitation is, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion. We have advocated for the rights of individuals, with some success. We have indeed enjoyed the satisfaction of knowing we did the right thing. I would not go out of my way to do the wrong thing, just to avoid that feeling of satisfaction. I've seen people go out of their way to do the wrong thing, but I doubt that's their reason for doing so.

You may very well be a conservative on most issues, but advocating forced euthanasia is not a conservative ideal.

I would still like for you to reply to my post, in which I asked you how Michael followed Terri's wishes, after he testified in court that those were not her wishes.


77 posted on 11/16/2005 5:33:15 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BagelFace
"She said she would not want to live in a persistant vegetative state"...

I apologize, I hadn't realized you were a friend and she had told you this. I had been basing my opinions on the things her family had said, that she never expressed this wish to die and on the court documents when her husband got all that money to take care of her for the rest of her life. After he got all that money, he remembered she told him, that she didn't want to live but of course you know that. Sorry again.

78 posted on 11/16/2005 7:06:39 PM PST by MontanaBeth (Never under estimate the enemy.)
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To: MontanaBeth

"I apologize, I hadn't realized you were a friend and she had told you this. I had been basing my opinions on the things her family had said, that she never expressed this wish to die and on the court documents when her husband got all that money to take care of her for the rest of her life. After he got all that money, he remembered she told him, that she didn't want to live but of course you know that. Sorry again."

It's OK. We all make mistakes. However, her family could not know what she said to her husband, and probably (although I'm stretching here, I realize) they were not in the room when Terri and Michael were having "relations" either. But alas, this is a bit subtle for you. Rather just assume he murdered her for the money when no evidence exists of that motive either. Healthier assumption, though! You healthy Devil you!


79 posted on 11/16/2005 9:09:22 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: BagelFace; floriduh voter
Protecting dignity by starving and dehydrating a HEALTHY if mentally destroyed tho able to form base communicative signals like joy, fear and sorrow?

Huh?

Thirteen days of court ordered suffering til death frees ya, is, excuse me, dying with dignity? Especially when you husband brings in friends to watch you suffer? Geeeeeez.

80 posted on 11/16/2005 9:15:04 PM PST by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: BykrBayb

On the surface, anyway, you seem to be circumspect, although it would be more appropriate, perhaps, to state your own opinions rather than point to some rule that you seem to think, although erroneously, I had broken.

Charles Krauthammer expressed in an article that he himself would not want to live in a persistant vegetative state, and would prefer to be "euthanized" (to use your own word here). Would Dr. Krauthammer's thoughts be unwelcome here? Would this be forced euthanasia?

Now, I could be wrong, because frankly I wasn't there when she said it, or when he said that she said it. I can tell you that it was my understanding from reports in the news that he said she said it. You weren't there either, I assume. However, because Dr. Krauthammer said it, because I said it (I would want them to pull the plug on me under similar circumstances), because so many others I know have said it (from all creeds and walks of life), I can only assume that if he says she said it, then she said it. (Man, that last sentence... sorry about that). Oh yeah, and if I were in Iraq as a soldier, which I am not, I would practice "forced euthanasia" on a few terrorists. How is that for violating principles, eh?


81 posted on 11/16/2005 9:17:53 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: Republic

It was the only way society would allow it. Perhaps you are correct that there could have been quicker ways to do it. But compared to pissing and crapping on yourself for the next 30 years without knowing it... Of course, I hope it doesn't happen to any decent person ever. But it will, unfortunately. So, I can only hope you've written out your living will, so that the undignified idiots like myself know what you want if it should happen to you.


82 posted on 11/16/2005 9:22:40 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: BagelFace
May someone you love, who happens to love life but suffer from an irreversible handicap, never end up with you as his or her guardian.

You appear to be extremely soul sick, from where I sit.

83 posted on 11/16/2005 9:28:34 PM PST by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: Republic

"May someone you love, who happens to love life but suffer from an irreversible handicap, never end up with you as his or her guardian."

I agree with that sentiment 100%, and I thank you (I think) for expressing it. But, if I should ever be in that position, I will follow my own sense of life, dignity, and honor, and will consider what the sufferer had requested of me. EVEN IF IT MEANS that people like you will have nasty comments about me in your TAGLINEs (of all places).

Regharding the condition of my soul, why does it always turn out that MORTALS always want to have the last word?


84 posted on 11/16/2005 9:56:38 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: BagelFace

You may very well be in the minority, with others who would rather be tortured to death than live with disabilities. That does not prove that Terri requested to be tortured to death. As a matter of fact, the rumors you read in the press have nothing to do with the court records. If you took the time to read the court records, you would know that no one ever alleged that Terri had requested to be euthanized under any circumstances. You would also know that every doctor who testified (even those who were hired by Michael to testify against Terri) all agreed that she did not meet the qualifications for a determination of PVS according to Florida law.

So I ask you once again to answer the question that you brought up. How did Michael honor Terri's wishes? According to his own sworn testimony, as well as everyone else's, those were not her wishes.


85 posted on 11/16/2005 9:59:50 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BagelFace

Perhaps I overstepped some boundary by writing you seem to have a sick soul...I should have written you appear to have a cold heart. Less spiritual and better suited to one stranger commenting upon the opinion of another.


86 posted on 11/16/2005 10:00:42 PM PST by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: Republic

Looks like another troll from clown posse. What do you think?


87 posted on 11/16/2005 10:00:59 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BagelFace
But alas, this is a bit subtle for you.

Oh please, please share you wisdow with me. I've seen the light and it's name is BagelFace. You've been here since August and you're making FRiends all over the place. Let's just agree to disagree, your profound intelligence is just too much for me. In case that's too subtle for you, don't post to me anymore.

88 posted on 11/16/2005 10:01:48 PM PST by MontanaBeth (Never under estimate the enemy.)
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To: BykrBayb
I just feel unbelievably sad that anyone could support the horror that Terri experienced, and even more so, considering her vulnerable and innocent state.

The gravestone that monster laid upon her ashes says it all...this freak considered Terri dead from the moment of her so called collapse (which I have no knowledge of other than a gut feeling that he strangled her out of the rage he was seeing, at the time, a psychiatrist for help with, as the medications found in his home indicated and as his psychiatrists warning to Terri's parents to watch mike as they could be in danger should he become enraged).

And because he considered her dead from that moment...he laid a horrific exisitence of denial of therapy, love, comfort and light (blinds ordered drawn, no outings in wheelchair) hoping her spirit would break and she would descend into death out of despair and hopelessness.

But never have I ever heard of or read about anyone who fought to live like Terri Schindler did...what a light.

89 posted on 11/16/2005 10:09:25 PM PST by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: Republic

Michael Schiavo stinks to high heaven.


90 posted on 11/16/2005 10:21:08 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Never forget what they did to Terri Schindler Schiavo!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Yes. His stench is only overshadowed by his murderous behavior.


91 posted on 11/16/2005 10:23:37 PM PST by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: BykrBayb

There must be something to the "non-court record" reports. It does say: "I kept my promise" on her grave stone, after all. What's up with that? Furthermore, if I had my brain stem rotted out, I'd hope my guardian would know me, could make a reasonable assumption regarding my wishes, and carry them out. But you are correct that I did not read the court records. However, those who would now argue that Terri was not, at best, in a PVS (after the autopsy) would, I would tend to believe, be in the minority.


92 posted on 11/17/2005 6:12:12 AM PST by BagelFace
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To: MontanaBeth

Hrraummphhh! Oh, no, now I'll have no other children to play with!


93 posted on 11/17/2005 6:15:25 AM PST by BagelFace
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To: Republic

...our perceptions of the profoundest reason, and most radiant beauty... in this sense, and in this sense alone, I am a deeply religious man...

Albert Einstein


94 posted on 11/17/2005 6:18:35 AM PST by BagelFace
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To: BagelFace
Albert was one good man. His genius expanded the horizons.

One brilliant man who like others before him and those yet to make their mark on humanity strove to conquer with knowledge and dedication, a deeper knowledge of the world around us.

Other than admiration for Albert, your post seeems rather shallow.

95 posted on 11/17/2005 6:32:55 AM PST by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: Republic

OK, I'm not going to trade barbs. But perhaps it seemed shallow because you didn't get the point. However, that's neither here nor there. How's this: perhaps it might possibly be shallow to accuse others of murderous intent, playing G-d, in essence, might possibly maybe be shallow. Or not.


96 posted on 11/17/2005 8:01:17 AM PST by BagelFace
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To: BagelFace
Playing God, imo, is not shallow, it is horrific. Deciding a life is not worth living, especially when the the person suffering a serious incapcitation cannot speak for themselves, is actually not playing God, far worse, it is being obediant to Satan.

Accusing someone of murder, and in Terri's case, I accuse not only michael, imo, a monster, but every single soul who helped him deprive Terri of a life as full of comfort, joy and love as possible.

Terri was considered DEAD by her monster of a husband since her collapse and had that written on her tombstone just to prove his point. (oh wait, I mean he did apparently use her to get a lawsuit going so he must have believed she was worth at least MONEY for a few years. And after he got his 1.3 million bucks, to be used for her future care and comfort, then he put up the do not resusitate order on her door. Monster!

And he discarded and abused as if she were dead for MANY YEARS just to prove his point.

You think accusing michael of murder is akin to playing God? Really? Interesting. He is factually a murderer...as is greer, felos, labyak and everysingle florida state rep and judge who was involved in this state sanctioned brutal, horrific assignment of death by STARVATION and DEHYDRATION on behalf of her husband in name only who was busy porking another woman and making babies on the side.

97 posted on 11/17/2005 10:24:44 AM PST by Republic (Michael Schiavo LIED about having a college degree on his guardianship application,)
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To: Republic

Hold on there, Seabiscuit! You're going too fast for me (although I'm not a Democrat, I swear!).

By playing God I meant that you KNOW all these things about some other human being, that no reasonable person can know, and based on this knowledge, condemning him. And that no other explanation for events is humanly possible. And there is no condition under which any human being has a reasonable right to be allowed to die without intervention. I think your view is not balanced (I'm not saying you're unbalanced, though).

Now, we could be agreeing more than it seems, and that would be nice. Or, the differences may be too great, such as differences in the degree to which we follow biblical exegesis in these matters. I am open to opinions, of course, and you seem like an intelligent and thoughtful chap. I simply cannot condemn M.S. at this point the way you and your compadres have, and I reacted a little strongly to that. My apologies if I went too far in using offensive language.

Eating a bagel, as in life, trying to see truth through an ever widening (w)hole, I remain, brother FReeper,

very faithfully yours,

BF


98 posted on 11/17/2005 12:50:34 PM PST by BagelFace
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To: BagelFace
Frankly I knew where you were going...and was amazed that you even tried to portray that monster as an unknown quanitity.

He is known, and has made himself known...just ask larry king.

Thought I'd put a twist on your craft to allow you the chance to view 'playing God' from the other side of the coin, as it were.

And what an horrendous, cruel, drawn-out, horrific game it was, from my side of the window.

99 posted on 11/17/2005 12:56:15 PM PST by Republic
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To: Republic

They killed her dead.


100 posted on 11/21/2005 11:06:31 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Never forget what they did to Terri Schindler Schiavo!!!)
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