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WSJ ^ | November 6, 2005 | VICTORIA TOENSING

Posted on 11/07/2005 3:51:47 AM PST by AliVeritas

In a surprise, closed-door debate, Senate Democrats last week demanded an investigation of pre-Iraq War intelligence. Here's an issue for them: Assess the validity of the claim that Valerie Plame's status was "covert," or even properly classified, given the wretched tradecraft by the Central Intelligence Agency throughout the entire episode. It was, after all, the CIA that requested the "leak" investigation, alleging that one of its agents had been outed in Bob Novak's July 14, 2003, column. Yet it was the CIA's bizarre conduct that led inexorably to Ms. Plame's unveiling.

When the Intelligence Identities Protection Act was being negotiated, Senate Select Committee Chairman Barry Goldwater was adamant: If the CIA desired a law making it illegal to expose one of its deep cover employees, then the agency must do a much better job of protecting their cover. That is why a criterion for any prosecution under the act is that the government was taking "affirmative measures" to conceal the protected person's relationship to the intelligence agency. Two decades later, the CIA, either purposely or with gross negligence, made a series of decisions that led to Ms. Plame becoming a household name:

• The CIA sent her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, to Niger on a sensitive mission regarding WMD. He was to determine whether Iraq had attempted to purchase yellowcake, an essential ingredient for unconventional weapons. However, it was Ms. Plame, not Mr. Wilson, who was the WMD expert. Moreover, Mr. Wilson had no intelligence background, was never a senior person in Niger when he was in the State Department, and was opposed to the administration's Iraq policy. The assignment was given, according to the Senate Intelligence Committee, at Ms. Plame's suggestion.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cialeak; plame; toensing
An "outing" was the result of either incompetence or an effort to undermine the White House.
1 posted on 11/07/2005 3:51:47 AM PST by AliVeritas
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To: AliVeritas
An "outing" was the result of either incompetence or an effort to undermine the White House.

And the latter is illegal.

2 posted on 11/07/2005 3:58:51 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: AliVeritas
How does one prove a negative -- that she was 'never' outed by anyone before the Novak leak?

Sounds like trying to prove that Saddam didn't have WMD.

3 posted on 11/07/2005 4:06:49 AM PST by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: AliVeritas
an effort to undermine the White House.

That's all this was.

And it is going to blow up in their faces.

This will be worse than Rathergate. It's criminal, and the conspirators at the CIA, NYTimes and wherever will pay.

I hope.

4 posted on 11/07/2005 4:08:25 AM PST by andyandval
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To: AliVeritas
Here's an issue for them: Assess the validity of the claim that Valerie Plame's status was "covert," or even properly classified, given the wretched tradecraft by the Central Intelligence Agency throughout the entire episode.

Let's stay there and drive this point home!!!

The CIA has become a politcal agency? What's up?

We need an investigation of the intelligence agency which was the source of all this "intelligence".

5 posted on 11/07/2005 4:15:36 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: AliVeritas
Thw woman who wrote this article was the same woman who drafted the 1980's law making it a crime to diviulge undercover CIA agents.

She was on the Hannity show, and said this entire investigation is a complete farce, Fitzgerald is inventing crimes, and the law she helped draft was never violated.

6 posted on 11/07/2005 4:28:24 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: AliVeritas
The White House is holding a refresher course on "leaking" and ethics related to leaking. This is a long time no no by the President. I have a feeling that the CIA will be having a few leak programs as well and that some old players are going to get a lesson in biting the hand of the President. Too many people believe the CIA is a rogure group of people, so if some heads roll the public will say - "They missed 911 and Iraq's WMD maybe they need a good shake up."
7 posted on 11/07/2005 5:13:25 AM PST by q_an_a
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To: ThirstyMan

Keep those phone calls, cards and letters flowing to your Senators, and local media. If the Rats want to do political intelligence investigations about pre-war intelligence, let them bite into something solid: Wilson the liar and the CIA setup.


8 posted on 11/07/2005 5:13:28 AM PST by pieces of time
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To: AliVeritas; mewzilla; Ed_in_NJ; andyandval; ThirstyMan; SkyPilot; q_an_a; pieces of time; ...
This may deserve a thread of it's own because it is truly important that we all take note ~

Despite current articles and editorials to the contrary, in March of this year, 36 major news organizations and professional reporters' groups (including CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, The Associated Press, The Tribune Company, The Washington Post, The New York Press Club and The White House Corespondents) insisted that "no crime" had been committed in the "Plame Leak" case because, among other things, Valerie Plame's identity had previously been disclosed to both the Russians and the Cubans!


On March 23, 2005 these 36 "esteemed" news organizations and professional reporters' groups filed this legal motion which includes the following arguments:


9 posted on 11/07/2005 7:49:30 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Miss Marple; Peach

Curiouser and curiouser, ping


10 posted on 11/07/2005 7:52:12 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: SE Mom

Indeed. This is an excellent article, and covers a lot of the points that I have seen mentioned here on FR. The fact that it is in the WSJ is really important.


11 posted on 11/07/2005 8:19:35 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Zacs Mom

This is great thanks. Will have to leave it for a more detailed read until later.


12 posted on 11/07/2005 8:19:45 AM PST by pieces of time
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To: SkyPilot

Victoria Toensing


13 posted on 11/07/2005 8:23:21 AM PST by wardaddy (I am sick of stealth queerness in nearly every movie I rent .)
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To: AliVeritas

One missing piece of this puzzle revolves around why the WH said that they shouldn't have included the 22 words, "...British Intelligence... ." The President got the intel directly from GB bypassing the CIA and the CIA gets pissed when that happens. But the Brits have had a direct line to the WH since FDR precisely because they decided that they can't trust US intel. Bush provoked them and backed off. The intel however, remains solid.


14 posted on 11/07/2005 8:30:31 AM PST by Poincare
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To: Zacs Mom
I've been shouting about this to anyone who will listen.

Thanks for posting it, I've never actually seen it.

15 posted on 11/07/2005 9:00:48 AM PST by andyandval
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To: Zacs Mom
By the way..

This may deserve a thread of it's own because it is truly important that we all take note ~

I agree.

16 posted on 11/07/2005 9:06:28 AM PST by andyandval
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To: Ed_in_NJ
How does one prove a negative -- that she was 'never' outed by anyone before the Novak leak?

Let the Libs and the Rats PROVE that she was outed! Fitz apparently can't, or won't.

17 posted on 11/07/2005 9:10:43 AM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: AliVeritas

There needs to be an investigation of the CIA role in this whole affair. This whole thing makes them look like idiots. If I were the Director of the CIA and there were allegations of rogue operators plotting the over throw of the administration I would be on it like an ant a picnic.

I could never understand how Valarie kept her security clearance with such a blabber mouth as a spouse.

The CIA had to be aware of Dopey Joe running around bragging about his CIA wife. Why didn't the CIA step on him like a bug if they were concerned about the wife's "covert status"?

How did his wife maintain a clearance if the CIA knew Dopey Joe was once married to a French cultural affairs officer (Intelligence?). Don't know how the CIA classified clearances work but in the DOD they check the spouse's background for a top secret.


18 posted on 11/07/2005 9:10:46 AM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: AliVeritas
[ In a surprise, closed-door debate, Senate Democrats last week demanded an investigation of pre-Iraq War intelligence. ]

Nothing wrong with the CIA that ejecting ALL democrats in that organiztion would not solve.. oh and the RINOs too..

Both are proven serious national security risks..

19 posted on 11/07/2005 9:21:33 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Zacs Mom; bitt; neverdem; nopardons; Howlin; Southack; Congressman Billybob; doug from upland; ...

EXCELLENT post #9, to be shared widely.


Thanks for the ping, Z/M.


20 posted on 11/07/2005 10:18:16 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Zacs Mom; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; Alamo-Girl; Interesting Times; Czar; bitt; ..

21 posted on 11/07/2005 11:22:42 AM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)--------)
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To: Zacs Mom
This definitely needs a thread of its own. Thanks!
22 posted on 11/07/2005 11:30:14 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: andyandval; Cboldt; Blurblogger; SE Mom; All
andyandval wrote:"Thanks for posting it, I've never actually seen it."
Additionally, Cboldt posted to me on another thread "The public's attention span is short, and the public lacks the drive to seek depth of information."


True, Cboldt! What is also true is that seeing, hearing and reading the same "news" on different networks, in numerous magazines and in different newspapers automatically lends an air of authenticity to the information.  Repetition creates credibility, regardless of merit!


With this particular story, the volume of disinformation, misinformation and lies by omission being overtly and systematically disseminated to the public by countless sources is unfathomable! It has become (by design, I think) a case of "If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your BullSh*t" scenarios and even a person with the sincere desire to be "well informed" can easily become overwhelmed by it all!


While I admit I am in a 'catchup' mode with regard to this story, I actually have been trying to follow this case fairly diligently lately, but I somehow missed reading this brief ~ I recall some mention of it in my readings but did not realize until this morning when I actually saw and read the filing the significants of this single document. (you weren't the only one andyandval) Seeing, in black and white, the names of the organizations involved in making the assertion that NO CRIME was committed was stunning to me and their declaration that Plame had been outed in the 1990's outraged me! When you compare the MSM's coverage of this story to their claims in this document it becomes clear that they are, in fact, beyond complaisant in an overt campaign to discredit and disable the Presidency of George W. Bush. They are demonstrably active facilitators of an ongoing and escalating seditious attempt to overthrow a sitting president!


The majority of people I know have jobs. They also have families and homes, hobbies and friends. What they do not have is the time required to wade through hundreds of articles, emails and posts in an effort to gain 'knowledge'. In fact, some don't even have ready access to the bulk of available information. Hard as it may be for some of us to believe, not every home has (or wants, for that matter) an on-line computer and many households that do rarely use their computer as their resource for "news". And among those who do use their computer as a resource for "news" generally access the traditional "news" outlets.


What troubles me is the fact that few citizen are even cognizant of the fact the most of this "information" avail to them in the traditional venue is engineered by a handful of huge mega-corporations who totally control the flow of news, information and entertainment within this country ~ this includes books, magazines, television, newspapers, movies, music, internet access, etc.,etc. Shielded behind the cloak of 'journalism', without regard for truth, accuracy, or impartiality, these information brokers continually present us with carefully manufactured versions of world events and most of us are unaware that 'news' stories repeated by numerous, and seemingly 'different' sources, are actually choreographed illusions designed to manipulate public opinion.


The war on terror is not the only war being fought right now.  "There's a war out there and it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think ~ it's all about information." The Federation Of American Scientists


We are under attack from an insidious enemy within and we need to take this very seriously! What we really need is a Special Prosecutor appointed to investigate the collusion involved in the on-going efforts to unseat George W. Bush!

23 posted on 11/07/2005 11:36:04 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: devolve

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 11/07/2005 11:42:50 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: SE Mom

Victoria pulled together the various loose threads regarding Plamegate better than anyone else has been able to do so far. It helps that she wrote the legislation and fully understands the law and has paid attention to actual details (something the MSM seems loathe to do).

An excellent article; thanks for the ping.


25 posted on 11/07/2005 12:25:15 PM PST by Peach (The Dems enabled Able Danger. 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Zacs Mom

Great stuff -- thanks!!!!


26 posted on 11/07/2005 12:35:02 PM PST by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: Zacs Mom; andyandval; Blurblogger; SE Mom; All
Shielded behind the cloak of 'journalism', without regard for truth, accuracy, or impartiality, these information brokers continually present us with carefully manufactured versions of world events and most of us are unaware that 'news' stories repeated by numerous, and seemingly 'different' sources, are actually choreographed illusions designed to manipulate public opinion.

It's not just the information brokers. I used exactly that word, "illusion," in post 40 linked below. See also post 37, because it helps set the stage.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1516559/posts?page=40#40
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1516559/posts?page=37#37

27 posted on 11/07/2005 12:46:21 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Zacs Mom

This is a fantastic post ZM. You SHOULD put it on a thread of its own!


28 posted on 11/07/2005 1:00:37 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: ThirstyMan

The CIA was a mess. President Bush made a deal to take it back over. The HQ has been renamed in honor of President Bush, and he got to put his top man in charge.

This incident is a reaction to the potential housecleaning that is and will continue to go on.


The bad apples want to 'get that rat bastard' (President Bush).


This was their plan. Have Wilson go to Niger supposedly to look for and not find YELLOWCAKE, and while there get official NIGER stationary to use to make 'fake proof'.



This way, not matter what the case, nor what the President did, he could be accused of going with the wrong info.


29 posted on 11/07/2005 1:02:09 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I jez calls it az I see it.)
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To: devolve

Looks great devolve!


30 posted on 11/07/2005 1:02:18 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Zacs Mom
Great post.

I'm frustrated too.

But I find some comfort in the fact that we have come as far as we have in exposing the media for what they are...the most dangerous enemy in the Global War on Terror.

Their time is nearly up.

31 posted on 11/07/2005 1:07:46 PM PST by andyandval
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To: Zacs Mom

BUMP! GOOD WORK on post #9!


32 posted on 11/07/2005 1:20:04 PM PST by PilloryHillary (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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To: roses of sharon; Zacs Mom; andyandval; Blurblogger; SE Mom; Pikamax; All
This definitely needs a thread of its own. Thanks!

The subject is noted in plenty of threads, but here is an old one that deserves a good piling on, especially since it was timely posted by Pikamax!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369614/posts

Here are a couple more references, for those who don't want to diddle with the entire brief ...

http://www.antimedia.us/posts/1121317604.shtml
http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2005/7/24/143149/571

33 posted on 11/07/2005 1:20:47 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Zacs Mom

Excellent, this deserves to be a stand alone thread.


34 posted on 11/07/2005 1:22:00 PM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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To: Cboldt

Thank you so much...fascinating..


35 posted on 11/07/2005 1:38:15 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: AliVeritas
We need several investigations.

Investigate who initiated Joe Wilson's Niger "fact finding" trip.

Investigate why Fitzgerald spent two years and $700k to find out who "outed" Valerie Plame and found no one. Also why he came up with five lame indictments against Libby having nothing to do with "outing" Plame. Also why he never conclusively determined Plame's CIA status.

Investigate how many public references to Plames CIA status existed prior to Bob Novak's article that "outed" her and who revealed it.

Investigate all claims of Saddam's attempts to obtain uranium and build a nuclear program and definitively determine the validity of those claims.

Investigate MSM reports of Saddam's WMD activity vs MSM reports denying Saddam's WMD activity and determine when they changed from one to the other, why they changed and who led and promoted that change.

Investigate the exact nature of Wilson's CIA "report." Determine who ordered it, when was it turned in vs the date of his WaPo op-ed, was the op-ed approved of by the CIA and were his op-ed conclusions consistent with his written report submitted to the CIA.

36 posted on 11/07/2005 2:10:17 PM PST by TigersEye (When communication is destroyed no demonstration of love can take place.)
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To: pieces of time
Keep those phone calls, cards and letters flowing to your Senators, and local media. If the Rats want to do political intelligence investigations about pre-war intelligence, let them bite into something solid: Wilson the liar and the CIA setup.

Excellent advice...I'll give Ted and John a call.

I have such losers for senators!!!!

37 posted on 11/07/2005 3:01:33 PM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: ThirstyMan

I know what you mean. In MD it's like talking to a brick wall - Mikulski and Sarbanes. We have great hope in Michael Steele, who they have already started dirty tricks with. Beside throwing oreo cookies at him during the last Gov. election, Schumer's 'holier than thou' staff stole Steele's SS# and got his credit report.


38 posted on 11/07/2005 3:06:36 PM PST by pieces of time
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To: Zacs Mom; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; devolve; ...

ping to #9


39 posted on 11/07/2005 6:34:54 PM PST by bitt ("..the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country." Gen. Douglas MacArthur)
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To: bitt

Thanks bitt. Zacs Mom did a great job of compiling vital material there, it does deserve its own thread.


40 posted on 11/07/2005 6:53:08 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Zacs Mom; devolve; potlatch; Grampa Dave; bitt; Prime Choice

41 posted on 11/07/2005 7:15:08 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: AliVeritas; All

Would anyone be willing to set up a petition for all of us to sign to get the CIA investigated over this?!

I have about had it with all of the lies from Joe Wilson and his "super duper secret AK-47 gun slinging CIA wife" and the lying bunch of lunatic leftists (including MSM) trying to convince people that Pres. Bush lied to get us into a war. That is just ignorant!



42 posted on 11/07/2005 7:28:04 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Zacs Mom; bitt; AliVeritas

Great information. Thanks!


43 posted on 11/07/2005 7:35:04 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: PhilDragoo

Great graphic Phil!


44 posted on 11/07/2005 7:55:42 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 11/07/2005 8:33:35 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Zacs Mom

I never saw that .. awesome!! Thank you.


46 posted on 07/13/2006 4:02:20 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: William Tell

Okay, you refuse to do your own scut work, so here is but one of many OLD threads for you to read, so that you might finally catch up. Have at it.


47 posted on 07/14/2006 12:32:06 AM PDT by nopardons
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