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FRENCH UNABLE TO PUT DOWN INSURRECTION (Incapable?)
Sierra Times ^ | 11/7/2005 | Jim Kouri, CPP

Posted on 11/07/2005 5:31:57 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

While American soldiers successfully combat terrorists and insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, a widespread insurgency continues in France's emanating from Islamic migrant areas.

The violence and destruction spread across the country yesterday with more than 900 cars torched in one night. Observers, experts in security and police operations, wonder if the French are capable of putting down this insurrection.

French police initiated a helicopter response and claim they arrested close to 200 Muslim rioters. Police commanders and their superiors say they intend to step up action against rioters responsible for 10 nights of violence.

The destruction has spread to the outskirts of other cities around the country – including Toulouse, Rennes, Nantes and Lille – were hit by a wave of arson attacks.

Cases of arson were also observed in parts of central Paris. For instance, a Molotov cocktail consumed four vehicles near a major square, Place de la Republique, while six vehicles went up in smoke in another district..

Despite calls for calm, 918 cars were torched yesterday and 897 the previous day. One American national security expert cynically told this writer that he wouldn't be surprised if the Chirac government surrendered to these homegrown insurgents.

"They [the French] just may hold to their reputation for appeasement and surrender," he said.

Seven police surveillance helicopters armed with high-tech cameras hovered above Paris and other locations in the hopes of pursuing and identifying the the mostly young North African and Arab arsonists, who have taken to setting fires then fleeing the scene, frequently on motor bikes.

Special squads of police trained in special operations smashed through doors in a public housing project in the Paris suburb of Les Mureaux where they arrested youths who had tossed heavy objects, such as supermarket trolleys, on police and on a heavily traveled road.

Over 2,200 more police officers in riot gear and weaponry were deployed to patrol the streets while over 100 additional firefighters were sent to the Paris region under attack.

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who's been the target of a great deal of criticism for calling the rioters "scum" and wishing to take a hardline on the rioters, visited a police command headquarters in southern Paris overnight. During an impromptu press conference he said that the gangs responsible for the violence have become increasingly organized. They have been seen using mobile telephones to relay police movements and internet blogs to urge unrest elsewhere.

Overall, over 550 insurgents have been arrested since the riots began, some of them minors found carrying gasoline bombs.

The violence erupted on October 27 when two teenagers, one an African immigrant and the other an Arab, were electrocuted while hiding in an electrical sub-station after fleeing a routine police identity check. The checks are part of France's homeland security strategy. Some left-wing politicians and groups have accused the French police of "Gestapo" tactics when dealing with Muslims, and they've leveled the old standby accusation so familiar to Americans -- racial profiling.

So far no one has been killed during the civil unrest, according to the French government, but at two civilians have been badly burned by Molotov cocktails. They were a firefighter and a handicapped woman who was deserted on board and unable to get off an ambushed bus. An elderly man is reported to be in a coma after being struck by an attacker in a housing project.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; insurgency; leftistidiocy; leftistidiots; leftistweenies; muslims; riots; surrendermonkeys; trop
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Observers, experts in security and police operations, wonder if the French are capable of putting down this insurrection.

Only if they french kiss the miscreants to death.

1 posted on 11/07/2005 5:31:57 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

"Seven police surveillance helicopters armed with high-tech cameras..."



Better not riot.... We're WATCHING you!


3 posted on 11/07/2005 5:34:05 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: FerdieMurphy

If only the average Frenchman had the "right to bear arms" but they don't...


4 posted on 11/07/2005 5:35:05 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"two civilians have been badly burned by Molotov cocktails. They were a firefighter and a handicapped woman who was deserted on board and unable to get off an ambushed bus."




Attacking firefighters and handicapped women, but for some reason, they don't deserve to be called "scum."


5 posted on 11/07/2005 5:36:05 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: FerdieMurphy
I would like to see those people march into a town in Alabama or Virginia and start destroying people's property. They would be happily met with 12gauge shotguns.
Why don't these French people defend themselves against these sociopaths?
6 posted on 11/07/2005 5:36:24 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Rhodesia to Zimbabwe

France to Allahville


7 posted on 11/07/2005 5:36:38 AM PST by right right
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To: Brilliant

I need popcorn. This is fun to watch.


8 posted on 11/07/2005 5:38:00 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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To: FerdieMurphy

>>>Despite calls for calm, 918 cars were torched yesterday and 897 the previous day. >>>

Yes, isn't this the call for America. Just ask Mr. Saddam really really nicely if he'll not make WMD and bomb his neighbors (or give WMD to muslim thugs who want to bomb America) and he'll just go "OK" and all will be right with the world.

Chirac and the French are learning that there are some cases where talking sweet ain't gonna work.


9 posted on 11/07/2005 5:38:11 AM PST by sandbar
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To: FerdieMurphy

France is a political member of NATO, maybe Chirac will call Brussels for help. (immeasurable sarcasm!)


10 posted on 11/07/2005 5:39:59 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: 2banana

'If only the average Frenchman had the "right to bear arms" but they don't...'

French women won't have the right to BARE arms...or heads, within the next year or so.


11 posted on 11/07/2005 5:40:47 AM PST by RouxStir (Islam is a slower moving, more deadly "Nazism".....but the results are the same.)
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The French should pull out of France.

PS. Sure its fun to make jokes of the French but I wonder how we would deal with a similar situation in America?
12 posted on 11/07/2005 5:41:22 AM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Question: How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
Answer: Nobody knows, since it's never been tried.


13 posted on 11/07/2005 5:41:41 AM PST by appleharvey
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To: HOTTIEBOY
Why don't these French people defend themselves against these sociopaths?

With what? They're socialists--their government will take care of them.

</sarcasm>

14 posted on 11/07/2005 5:41:56 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: HOTTIEBOY
Why don't these French people defend themselves against these sociopaths?

Throwing cheese isn't a very effective weapon.

This is just more proof that an armed society is a polite society. Remove the citizen's ability to defend themselves and the result is anarchy.

15 posted on 11/07/2005 5:42:05 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: FerdieMurphy

How soon before these thugs are called "patriots", "freedom fighters", and "victim of oppression"?

Time to change the name of France to "Paristan".


16 posted on 11/07/2005 5:43:41 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: escapefromboston
...but I wonder how we would deal with a similar situation in America?

Rodney King/LA riots.

17 posted on 11/07/2005 5:43:46 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

When they finally burn down the Louvre or Notre Dame, the press may take notice.


18 posted on 11/07/2005 5:44:17 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: FerdieMurphy
Special squads of police trained in special operations smashed through doors in a public housing project in the Paris suburb of Les Mureaux where they arrested youths who had tossed heavy objects, such as supermarket trolleys, on police and on a heavily traveled road.



Just damn. If the French police can't combat this.....it's over...
19 posted on 11/07/2005 5:44:19 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: FerdieMurphy
I have to hope that this will bring the French closer to our world objectives in the long-run. Perhaps their population will elect more right wing pols and cut immigration like the Netherlands. As tempting as it is to simply say "I told you so" to the appeasers, it is probably better to cheer on the Le Pen types in France.
20 posted on 11/07/2005 5:44:33 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: FerdieMurphy

What, the White Flags did not work??


21 posted on 11/07/2005 5:44:35 AM PST by Always Right
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To: FerdieMurphy
"Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who's been the target of a great deal of criticism for calling the rioters 'scum'....."

No punishment is too draconian for calling them a name and getting it absolutely right -- and then having them prove you right, into the bargain. Off with his head!

22 posted on 11/07/2005 5:45:29 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Chirac is about as an effective a leader as Jimmy Carter. His dithering and attempting to pander to the rioters has made things worse. Interior Minister Sarkosy, a Chirac rival, is a hardliner and I think will quash the rioters with brute force.

The riots are Chirac's politcal end and I think Sarkosy, if he succeeds in restoring order, will eventually replace Chirac in a new government. The radical Jean Marie le Pen and his anti-immigration group will also benefit from this chaos.

23 posted on 11/07/2005 5:46:03 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Brilliant
"Seven police surveillance helicopters armed with high-tech cameras..."

Better not riot.... We're WATCHING you!

I wonder how much quicker this whole mess could be resolved if that sentence had said "armed with large caliber weapons...".

24 posted on 11/07/2005 5:46:34 AM PST by Bob
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
As tempting as it is to simply say "I told you so" to the appeasers, it is probably better to cheer on the Le Pen types in France.

According to who you talk to, Le Pen is bad news, too. He's more like a thirties National Socialist, the way I hear it.

Others please feel free to jump in.

25 posted on 11/07/2005 5:47:45 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Exactly. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution tells why we will never see anything like this from muslims in the USA. Unless, or until, they reach a "critical mass" that emboldens them. That being said, if we don't take measures to prevent this critical mass from accruing, through immigration limitations and reform, it could happen. Then, all bets are off, but it would become open season on muslims, with no "bag limit"...


26 posted on 11/07/2005 5:48:06 AM PST by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: 2banana

French citizens offered to form militias to defend their streets against the hit and run Muzzie arsonists if the Army is not possible. The French authorities were horrified by the offer and told their citizens that civilian militias were unthinkable. The problem is not the French people, it is their government.


27 posted on 11/07/2005 5:48:17 AM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: TXBSAFH
I need popcorn. This is fun to watch.

I shouldn't laugh, but it's hard not to.

28 posted on 11/07/2005 5:48:28 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: FerdieMurphy
 

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

They sow the wind, and they reap the whirlwind
Hosea 8


29 posted on 11/07/2005 5:49:15 AM PST by HangnJudge (Thanks to HawaiianGecko for the graphics)
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To: Aquinasfan

I honestly do not know who I hate most here. The frogs or the jihadists.


30 posted on 11/07/2005 5:50:33 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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To: FerdieMurphy
I suspect Quebec real estate is gonna get hot in the near future. Investors take note.
31 posted on 11/07/2005 5:53:04 AM PST by Mister Da (Nuke 'em til they glow!)
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To: Aquinasfan

As hard as it is to supress a certain level of schadenfreude, I can't find anything good about the notion of a bunch of Islamic youths burning down Notre Dame Cathedral, or Sacre Coeur, for that matter, should this continue to spread.


32 posted on 11/07/2005 5:53:05 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: FerdieMurphy
First death confirmed in French unrest

The media now can call a Body Count tally in their reporting. I wonder if they will? I know that they love to lead every "IRAQ" story with a Death count.

33 posted on 11/07/2005 5:54:52 AM PST by rerat0120
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>>>>They were a firefighter and a handicapped woman who was deserted on board and unable to get off an ambushed bus.

Gotta love the French. They run off and leave a handicapped woman deserted on a bus. I guess I hope they put down the insurgency. Like the last two times we've had to save France, we don't have much choice but to hope they win.
34 posted on 11/07/2005 5:56:17 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Sticking a microphone in front of (Terrell) Owens is like giving a crackhead a spoonful.)
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Oh lookie, France is another Vietnam! It's a quagmire! We westerners ought to just pull out...

Yes, I wonder what the French thought they were going to accomplish, getting involved in France in the first place?

Blowback is so predictable.

</sarc>

35 posted on 11/07/2005 5:56:49 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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"....they arrested close to 200 Muslim rioters."

The French - profiling? Mon dieu!!!

36 posted on 11/07/2005 5:56:54 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"So far no one has been killed during the civil unrest,"

Announced today at 13.00 hr French time.

A man died after being hit by a rioter. He was in acoma for 2 days.....he dies this morning.

The man tried to quell a fire and was assaulted by a masked thug.

The death of that man is buried in the French press.

Kristopher.


37 posted on 11/07/2005 5:57:18 AM PST by Kristopher
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To: escapefromboston

The citizens of America, faced with violence in the streets and an inept response by govenment, would do as we have always done: we'll take up arms and end the insurrection ourselves.


38 posted on 11/07/2005 5:57:39 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: HangnJudge
Like your smiley. Good one.

And I don't care for most of the newer ones.

39 posted on 11/07/2005 5:58:34 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: escapefromboston
I wonder how we would deal with a similar situation

Guaran-dam-tee ya they wouldn't get within 12 gauge range of my house!

40 posted on 11/07/2005 5:58:39 AM PST by Don Carlos
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To: FerdieMurphy
Poor mooselimbs, they are just misunderstood. It's not their fault, it's everyone else's. All they want is to live peacefully. (/sarc)

I have a solution...let's send Cindy Sh*tcan over there. She's been supporting these animals for quite some time. Let's have her test her 'freedom fighter' theory. After all, it's the relgion of peace, right? She's not really in any danger.
41 posted on 11/07/2005 5:58:40 AM PST by FairfaxVA (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0. Zero rows returned!)
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To: HOTTIEBOY
***Why don't these French people defend themselves against these sociopaths?***

They don't have any guns.

42 posted on 11/07/2005 5:59:01 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Mister Da
America should do what it did to South Africa.

Boycott until the French turn power over to the muslim majority.

Nice is already over 50% muslim.

43 posted on 11/07/2005 6:00:09 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: escapefromboston
***I wonder how we would deal with a similar situation in America?***

Armed response.

44 posted on 11/07/2005 6:00:24 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: randog

"Rodney King/LA riots."

Yeah, but the rioters burned their own neighborhoods, it's called Urban Renewal.


45 posted on 11/07/2005 6:00:27 AM PST by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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To: Brilliant

'Attacking firefighters and handicapped women, but for some reason, they don't deserve to be called "scum."'

Who doesn't think the people who did that should be called scum?


47 posted on 11/07/2005 6:01:44 AM PST by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: Brilliant

Sorry, didn't read the full story. What a bunch of pathetic losers!


48 posted on 11/07/2005 6:03:58 AM PST by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: lentulusgracchus

Thanks

Its from HawaiianGecko, he's lurking around somewhere in here
http://www.hawaiiangecko.com/DrinkinCoffee.gif


49 posted on 11/07/2005 6:04:10 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: FerdieMurphy
Car-burning mooliganism has spread to Brussels, Berlin and Bremen.

No riots yet.

50 posted on 11/07/2005 6:04:15 AM PST by syriacus (Bowling for Columbine's youthful angst + Fahrenheit 9/11's political passion = French MOOLIGANs)
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