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Why France is Burning
The Daily Mail and melaniephillips.com ^ | 11/07/05 | Melanie Phillips

Posted on 11/07/2005 10:49:11 AM PST by mojito

Night after night, France has been under attack by its Arab Muslim minority with the French authorities having totally lost control of the streets.

What started as an ugly localised disturbance in Clichy-sous-Bois — a grotty Paris suburb — after two Muslim youths were accidentally electrocuted has spiralled into an unprecedented national crisis. Extreme violent disorder has spread to cities such as Toulouse, Lille, Nantes, the cathedral town of Evreux in Normandy and even to the centre of Paris.

Thousands of cars have been set on fire and hundreds of people arrested across France. The rioters have torched post offices and fire stations, schools and synagogues, buses and warehouses, fired upon police, and doused a handicapped woman with petrol and set her alight.

Nicolas Sarkozy, the tough-minded Interior Minister, has been blamed for inflaming the situation by his uncompromising language. French policy in general has been blamed for herding poor Arabs into suburban ghettoes where they have been left to fester in high unemployment and poverty.

The disturbances are thus being portrayed as race riots caused by official discrimination and insensitivity. But this is a gross misreading of the situation. It is far more profound and intractable. What we are seeing is, in effect, a French intifada: an uprising by French Muslims against the state.

When the police tried to take back the streets, they were driven out with the demand that they leave what the protesters called the ‘occupied territories’. And far from the claim that the disturbances have been caused by French policy of segregating Muslims into ghettoes, this is a war being waged for separate development.

Some Muslims have even called for the introduction of the ancient Ottoman ‘millet’ system of autonomous development for different communities.

The director of the Great Mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur, has previously suggested that France should be regarded as a ‘house of covenant’, by which he appears to mean that France should enter into an agreement with its Muslims to grant them autonomy within the state.

His response to the current violence is not to take steps to bring his own community under control but to suggest instead that the French government shows ‘respect’ and sends ‘a message of peace’.

But M. Sarkozy and the police are determined to take back the streets. The Muslims are equally determined to keep territory they feel they have conquered from the French state with which they feel no identification.

This crisis, however, did not start with the electrocution tragedy in Clichy-sous-Bois. It has been going on for decades. The scale of it is astonishing. Nine thousand police cars have been torched or stoned since the beginning of this year. The problem has not been M. Sarkozy’s tough approach. On the contrary — until now this permanent grumbling insurrection has simply been ignored.

For more than twenty years France’s Muslim areas have been out of control. Indeed, they only turned into Muslim ghettoes in the first place because Muslim violence and harassment forced everyone else out. And they became no-go areas for the police, seen by the Muslims as occupation forces entering their territory.

In schools in such areas, teachers trying to teach French or European history have been threatened with their lives by both pupils and their parents. In some cases young French people have converted to Islam just to escape the harassment.

Blaming an official policy of segregation is wide of the mark. The fact is that French Muslims want to be segregated. The ghettoes are a way of ensuring a separate Islamic existence without having to assimilate into French society.

The fact is that whatever policies different European countries have pursued to deal with minorities, they have not cracked this problem. France has enforced a rigid policy of state secularism and assumed that all minorities would adopt French values simply by being French.

By contrast, the British and other Europeans have adopted multiculturalism, which means giving minorities equal status to the majority, and have bent over backwards to be accommodating to them and not give offence.

Yet while France was burning, there were riots over several days in Denmark over the publication of cartoons satirising the prophet Mohammed. In the super-tolerant Netherlands, the film-maker Theo van Gogh was murdered exactly a year ago because he had made an ‘insulting’ film about Islam. The Dutch immigration minister has had to wear a bullet-proof vest after shots were fired into her office, and death threats have been made against other ministers who have spoken against Islamist violence.

In Britain, British Muslims turned themselves into human bombs last July to murder as many of their fellow citizens as they could. We are told this was because of the war in Iraq. But France was a principal opponent of that war, and yet it is now being torched from Normandy to the Mediterranean.

For every country, a different reason can be found to blame it for the attacks being mounted upon it. Yet the common factor is the hostility of Muslims to the countries in which they have settled.

Clearly, not all fall into this category. Thousands of British Muslims are highly integrated and live law-abiding and productive lives. But it is equally clear that across Europe, those moderates are either unable or unwilling to stop those who want to impose their values on the majority.

And European governments have played into their hands. As the writer Bat Ye’Or reveals in her book Eurabia, the European Union and the Arab League entered into a series of official agreements some thirty years ago guaranteeing that Muslim immigrants in Europe would not be compelled to adapt in any way ‘to the customs of the host countries.’

This is all bound up with the erosion of national identities across Europe. This has affected even France, once a ferocious proponent of French culture which was imposed through a centralised schools system, a strong police force and national military service.

But now the schools system and the police have been weakened and national service has gone. Banning the hijab (Islamic headscarf) in schools represented a flickering of the old national certainty as France sniffed the danger that had arisen in its midst. But it was too little, and maybe too late.

Even now Britain, France and the rest of Europe are still in varying stages of denial over Muslim unrest. Reluctant even to admit that religion is central to this phenomenon, they look instead for ways to blame themselves and use the insult of ‘Islamophobia’ to shut down debate.

The warning for us from the disturbing events in France could not be clearer. We must end the ruinous doctrine of multiculturalism and reassert British identity and British values — and insist that although Muslims are a valued minority, they must abide by majority rules.

But if France fails to hold the line, the fall-out will be incalculable for us and for all of Europe.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dhimmitude; france; insurgency; islamism; muslims; paris; parisriots; riots; uprising
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France descends into dhimmitude as the world watches.
1 posted on 11/07/2005 10:49:12 AM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

Islam has no respect for any belief but it's own
Islam has no respect for any writings but those derived from Mohammad
Islam will kill those who renounce Mohammad
Their world view is frozen into the 7th century

Identify those who propagate hate speech in Islam
Arrest, Deport, or Imprison
Do not reinforce violent behavior, ever

Danger - if you meet it promptly and without flinching - you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
Winston Churchill


2 posted on 11/07/2005 10:52:03 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: mojito

But if France fails to hold the line, the fall-out will be incalculable for us and for all of Europe.

Absolutely right, unfortunately France's record on holding the line is highly suspect.


3 posted on 11/07/2005 10:53:42 AM PST by Cat loving Texan
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To: mojito
Why France is Burning

Because it's made of...Wood?

4 posted on 11/07/2005 10:53:46 AM PST by MrEdd
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To: mojito

I'm surprised France hasn't surrendered yet. Then again maybe they have.


5 posted on 11/07/2005 10:53:51 AM PST by BMC1
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To: mojito

france is burning because their country has been run into the ground by their elitist, effete snob, socialst surrender monkey government.

Just as where we're heading if the RATs can manage to regain control of the reigns of power in this country.


6 posted on 11/07/2005 10:54:23 AM PST by Howie66 ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: mojito
France descends into dhimmitude as the world watches.

Somehow that doesn't bother me. I've got more respect for the islamofascists than I do for the French.

7 posted on 11/07/2005 10:55:15 AM PST by elmer fudd
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To: elmer fudd

I've got more respect for the islamofascists than I do for the French.

Sorry but as bad as France is, peaceful surendering socialists are a little better than head cutting, children killing Islamofasciests. But if it has to happen anywhere in Europe to wake up the rest of the world, France is the best choice.


8 posted on 11/07/2005 10:57:45 AM PST by Cat loving Texan
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To: BMC1

If they were to surrender - then who needs to wait for Iran to aquire nukes?


9 posted on 11/07/2005 10:58:57 AM PST by VoodooEconomics
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To: HangnJudge

"Arrest, Deport, or Imprison "

You forgot an important response to this kind of anarchy:

Arrest, Deport, Imprison, OR SHOOT ON THE SPOT!


10 posted on 11/07/2005 11:00:30 AM PST by Laserman
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To: mojito

Let them eat yellowcake


11 posted on 11/07/2005 11:01:02 AM PST by small voice in the wilderness (Make high definition tv fun. Aggravate 'em until their heads explode.)
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To: mojito

There was great hand wringing on French TV about how the situation would supposedly "spiral out of control" if French police shot and killed one of these rioting youth.

They seem to not even begin to grasp that events would spiral back INTO control if they shot about 100 of them.

Or simply follow the old British system of shoooting the ringleaders. And how do you identify the ringleaders? It's very simple. Every 5th man!


12 posted on 11/07/2005 11:01:20 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: mojito
France descends into dhimmitude as the world watches.

Amazing--what the great Charles Martel prevented in the eighth century, 21st-century France has essentially surrendered to.

13 posted on 11/07/2005 11:02:00 AM PST by Dunstan McShane
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To: elmer fudd
Somehow that doesn't bother me. I've got more respect for the islamofascists than I do for the French.

Please remember that these people saved our asses in the Revolutionary War.

14 posted on 11/07/2005 11:02:31 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Laserman; HangnJudge

Their responce should be three words, Ready, Aim, FIre.


15 posted on 11/07/2005 11:02:56 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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To: mojito; All
Is Paris Burning? ( Religion of Peace® Alert )
Click the picture:

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.


Kindly note tagline...


16 posted on 11/07/2005 11:03:10 AM PST by backhoe (Anyone recall "A Clockwork Orange?")
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To: elmer fudd

Belch. Sorry but I'll take the French (who have at least contributed a nice onion soup and crunchy potatoes to civilization) over the islamofascists. The French you can ignore, the islamofascists you have to shoot.


17 posted on 11/07/2005 11:03:52 AM PST by tdewey10 (It's time for the party to return to the principles of President Reagan.)
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To: Howie66

Unlike France however, we have the 2nd Amendment and patriots who shoot back.


18 posted on 11/07/2005 11:04:06 AM PST by kromike
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To: mojito
Night after night, France has been under attack by its Arab Muslim minority

What say you? Arab Muslims, I hadn't heard that? Surely you meant the oppressed economic underclass.

19 posted on 11/07/2005 11:06:05 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: mojito

When the police tried to take back the streets, they were driven out with the demand that they leave what the protesters called the ‘occupied territories’. And far from the claim that the disturbances have been caused by French policy of segregating Muslims into ghettoes, this is a war being waged for separate development.
The most important line in the whole story:
The muslims were mad that the police entered their area. It had nothing to do with the deaths at the transfer station.


20 posted on 11/07/2005 11:06:12 AM PST by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006 - George Allen, POTUS 2008)
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To: mojito
Thousands of cars have been set on fire

In typical Capitalist Pig fashion, when I read this I thought, "Thousands of cars destroyed?...now what publicly-traded company makes cars in France and Europe..."

21 posted on 11/07/2005 11:06:38 AM PST by Snardius (The seventh seal has been broken, the goat entrails point toward gotterdamerung, it's on.)
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To: backhoe

Excellent 9/11 picture and message. I had to save it!!

Thanks


22 posted on 11/07/2005 11:07:01 AM PST by Laserman
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To: Dunstan McShane
Yes, France has a great heritage way back when.

If they would only acknowledge it instead of being embarrassed by it.

23 posted on 11/07/2005 11:08:16 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: MrEdd

And therefore . . .


25 posted on 11/07/2005 11:09:04 AM PST by freedomlover (This Fall a Woman will be the Mother of a Mouse)
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To: MindBender26

Close all the mosques, deport the imams who are feeding this hate, and if anybody has a problem with it, deport them too.


26 posted on 11/07/2005 11:10:16 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) (This tagline is under remodeling, thank you for your patience...)
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To: tdewey10
Belch. Sorry but I'll take the French (who have at least contributed a nice onion soup and crunchy potatoes to civilization) over the islamofascists.

But the Arabs gave us coffee. Starbucks is better than onion soup and the greek leeks are better onions anyway. Plus without the fwench the fruitloop formerly known as prince would never have made that awful Raspbery Beret song...

27 posted on 11/07/2005 11:10:23 AM PST by MrEdd
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To: mojito

"an unprecedented national crisis"??

I think Melanie needs to brush up on her history a bit....by French standards, far from being unprecedented, this is fairly run of the mill.


28 posted on 11/07/2005 11:10:28 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: MrEdd
Why France is Burning Because it's made of...Wood?

Because it's made of wusses?

29 posted on 11/07/2005 11:11:25 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: mojito

..."French policy in general has been blamed for herding poor Arabs into suburban ghettoes where they have been left to fester in high unemployment and poverty."

How can this BE in socialist utopia?


30 posted on 11/07/2005 11:13:35 AM PST by Nanny7
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To: mojito
The director of the Great Mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur, has previously suggested that France should be regarded as a ‘house of covenant’, by which he appears to mean that France should enter into an agreement with its Muslims to grant them autonomy within the state.

It's coming. Surrender: phase 1.

31 posted on 11/07/2005 11:14:18 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Cat loving Texan

If the French government cracks down, watch for muslim reinforcements to start coming in to join the the jihad. If France does not crack down, partioning of muslim sectors will no longer be de facto but for all intents and purposes a state within a state. Cooling off of current situation to a manageable situation will only allow more immigrants to join in the next round of battles. I see no good way out without massive force and restructuring of French society, not likely. Kiss France goodbye. Au revoir!


33 posted on 11/07/2005 11:14:49 AM PST by dblshot
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To: HangnJudge

Islam's Jihad against Europe is under way. Half the Moslems in Europe live in France. Are you listening Europe. Londonistan, Bagdad on the Seine, Damascus on the Rhine, Andadulsia (Moorish Spain), mabye France will be renamed Gaul. They used ot have courage there and a warrior caste. They held off the Roman Legions for 7 years at least. Now their Government is trying to appease these Monsters. Where is the Modern Charles Martel? Nowhere to be seen, sadly.


34 posted on 11/07/2005 11:17:32 AM PST by Khankrumthebulgar
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To: mojito
"Screech! Racism!"
35 posted on 11/07/2005 11:24:45 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Nanny7
How can this BE in socialist utopia?

As someone else pointed out, Marx was in favor of banning all immigration and emmigration. Socialism has nothing to offer immigrants but handouts.

36 posted on 11/07/2005 11:27:00 AM PST by bkepley
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To: Dunstan McShane

Excellent comment!! Regards,


37 posted on 11/07/2005 11:28:56 AM PST by MacArthur
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To: mojito

Well it's been over 60 years since we last went to their rescue, but it sounds like the French have dug themselves into another hole again. It's getting to be like clockwork.


38 posted on 11/07/2005 11:32:12 AM PST by tertiary01
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To: tertiary01

Excuse me, I forgot about their unfinished Vietnam business.


39 posted on 11/07/2005 11:33:22 AM PST by tertiary01
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To: Nanny7; All
From Monday night there will be a curfew imposed on Raincy.

Raincy is a neighbouring suburb to Clichy-sous-Bois were the unrest started 27 October. This is the first curfew that has been declared during the present riots. It is an exceptional measure, according to the mayor, Eric Raoult. There is no information at present how long the curfewis expected to last. [NB: Comment by idiot journo, not ScaniaBoy ;-) ]

(All according Paris, TT on Svenska Dagbladet website.)

Present car-count: 4700

40 posted on 11/07/2005 11:34:57 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Siena Dreaming
Yes, France has a great heritage way back when. If they would only acknowledge it instead of being embarrassed by it.

Yeah, but you know what it would take for them to acknowledge it. They'd essentially have to repudiate most of their history since the French revolution.

41 posted on 11/07/2005 11:36:26 AM PST by Dunstan McShane
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To: MindBender26

"They seem to not even begin to grasp that events would spiral back INTO control if they shot about 100 of them."

I guess "Kill or be killed" is not in the French vocabulary.


42 posted on 11/07/2005 11:36:28 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: mojito

How do you say, "Is Paris Burning?" in Arabic?


43 posted on 11/07/2005 11:40:08 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Cat loving Texan

yeah good luck
current vegas odds 50-1 (FRANCE)1-50 Muslims


44 posted on 11/07/2005 11:42:07 AM PST by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: mojito

One cannot help but wonder how France's response to this attack would be unfolding if the French citizenry also had 230,000,000 privately owned firearms...


45 posted on 11/07/2005 11:42:49 AM PST by pabianice
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To: tertiary01

It will be interesting to watch how soon the French Police start shooting the perps...if they don't.... it will go on forever or until it gets cold...if they won't.... same thing...if they do and do it well..it stops overnight...we need to learn as to what stops the perps..because this movie will soon be playing at a theatre near you...meaning us...

as I look down on my new shipment of ammo...1500 rounds no less......no more....


46 posted on 11/07/2005 11:42:54 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

>Close all the mosques, deport the imams who are feeding this hate, and if anybody has a problem with it, deport them too.

No, Way to expensive, too time consuming, etc.

Shoot the rioters. Period

Case closed.


47 posted on 11/07/2005 11:43:01 AM PST by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: MrEdd
Why France is Burning

Because they Celebrate Diversity™?

48 posted on 11/07/2005 11:46:09 AM PST by Nameless
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To: mojito
The fact is that French Muslims want to be segregated. The ghettoes are a way of ensuring a separate Islamic existence without having to assimilate into French society.

Doesn't Spain have the largest Muslim population? How come none of the news articles I've read mention Spain?

http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm

So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.

With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the Christians shortly after Mohammed’s death. They were extremely successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt—once the most heavily Christian areas in the world—quickly succumbed. By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

49 posted on 11/07/2005 11:50:23 AM PST by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: Laserman

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50 posted on 11/07/2005 11:50:24 AM PST by backhoe (Anyone recall "A Clockwork Orange?")
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