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Lashing Back Over the Memo Scandal
The Washington Post ^ | 11/9/05 | Paul Farhi

Posted on 11/09/2005 6:37:46 AM PST by steve-b

Mary Mapes is madder than a rained-out rooster, as her former boss, Dan Rather, might say. Mapes, the CBS producer who lost her job over last year's "60 Minutes II" story about President Bush's National Guard service, resurfaces with a reconstruction of that incident that savages just about everyone associated with it: conservative bloggers, the mainstream media, CBS and its chief executive, Leslie Moonves, the Texas Air National Guard, even a few members of the Dallas Cowboys of the early 1970s.

And that's just in the first 40 pages of Mapes's wonkishly named but compellingly told tale of a byzantine chapter in journalism and politics.

For all her windmilling anger, Mapes musters a controlled, readable narrative about the story that became her professional undoing. In "Truth and Duty," she almost succeeds in making the case that she got the story substantially right, while the rest of the world insists she blew it....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fakememos; forgeries; forgery; mapes; rather; rathergate; spin
On the goofy old Super Freinds cartoon show, one of the recurring cliches was the idea that the Flash could accomplish whatever was required to get the writers out of whatever corner they'd painted themselves into, just by spinning really fast. Evidently, Mr. Farhi believes that he possesses a similar super spinning ability.
1 posted on 11/09/2005 6:37:47 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b

wahwahwah!

poor widdle mary! got caught doing what dems and libs do best - lying.

my heart grieves (/sarcasm)


2 posted on 11/09/2005 6:43:09 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: steve-b
Evidently, Mr. Farhi believes that he possesses a similar super spinning ability.

Oh goodness, all these lefties think so smart they can induce water to flow uphill just by screaming enough BS about the law of gravity.

(steely)

3 posted on 11/09/2005 6:43:56 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: steve-b

And she would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling kids.


4 posted on 11/09/2005 6:44:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: VRWCmember

Vastie, she had the nerve to go after the Cowboys???


5 posted on 11/09/2005 6:46:04 AM PST by secret garden (<= easily amused)
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To: steve-b
"I'm really ashamed of my daughter, what she's become," said Don Mapes, who had a falling-out with his daughter years ago for undisclosed reasons. "She went into journalism with an ax to grind, that is, to promote feminism -- and radical feminism, I might say -- and liberalism."
6 posted on 11/09/2005 6:46:07 AM PST by Baynative (I believe Congressman Weldon!)
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To: steve-b

Falsified evidence means nothing to the liberal mind when it's on a roll.


7 posted on 11/09/2005 6:47:55 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Steely Tom
Speaking of BS, here's another quote:

Mapes also addresses the typographical issues, which are complex and easily misreported (as they were, she claims, by The Washington Post, among others). According to Mapes, "superscript" typewriters were widely available on military bases in the early 1970s; and no, Microsoft Word cannot reproduce the exact typography of the Killian memos, at least not to a trained eye.


8 posted on 11/09/2005 6:48:09 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: camle

The woman is bitter and suffering and I'm glad that there is no cure.


9 posted on 11/09/2005 6:48:23 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: steve-b
From th WAPO article:"But then, no one has definitively shown them to be forgeries, either. The "independent" panel that CBS hired to look into the story (composed primarily of lawyers, not journalists, and co-chaired by a former Republican attorney general) cast plenty of doubt on the story and CBS's handling of it. But it never said the report was baseless, never accused Mapes or Rather of political bias or called the memos fraudulent."

What are those guys smoking over there?
10 posted on 11/09/2005 6:49:01 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: steve-b
Mapes also addresses the typographical issues, which are complex and easily misreported (as they were, she claims, by The Washington Post, among others).

Complex and easily misreported, my left gonad! Anyone who grew up in the Age of Typewriters took one look at that thing and knew it hadn't been produced on one! Anyone claiming otherwise is either too young to remember, or a liar.

11 posted on 11/09/2005 6:49:25 AM PST by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: steve-b
From the Article "But then, no one has definitively shown them to be forgeries"

The Washington Post is still carrying water for CBS and Dan Rather. No typewriter of that time was able to do the superscripting required. The document is a fake.

The Washington Post (or Compost) is a great example of the lamestream media at it's finest.

12 posted on 11/09/2005 6:49:46 AM PST by sr4402
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To: steve-b
According to Mapes, "superscript" typewriters were widely available on military bases in the early 1970s

But not proportional typewriters - devices not used for personal notes typed by an officer with marginal typing skills.

Mapes would have us believe that an Air National Guard officer would have a very expensive and very difficult to use typewriter in his office and would go to the trouble of writing a minor memo mimicking a professionally-typeset brochure that he would then place into his files, never to be seen by anyone else - instead of just banging out such on an old Smith Corona or IBM Selectric.

That absolutely defies believability. It's not that the typography of the memos is technically possible. It's that they are practically impossible.

13 posted on 11/09/2005 6:52:08 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: ncountylee

"The woman is bitter and suffering and I'm glad that there is no cure."

It's called NAG-HAG Syndrome! Old feminazis never die -- they just ugly away.


14 posted on 11/09/2005 6:52:43 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: ncountylee

must be tough to deal with all them fleas she got lying with the dem dogs....


15 posted on 11/09/2005 6:53:42 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: steve-b
But then, no one has definitively shown them to be forgeries

Below is forged CBS document overlayed by Microsoft Word in default mode......courtesy Little Green Footballs..

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....you go girl...

16 posted on 11/09/2005 6:54:10 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: sr4402

She talks about "peripheral spacing" among other things she "learned."

Whoda thunk Buckhead would look askance? ;)

A book full of BS stinks that much more than a chapter full of BS.


17 posted on 11/09/2005 6:54:58 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Let's tear down the observatory so we never get hit by a meteor again!)
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To: steve-b
Microsoft Word cannot reproduce the exact typography of the Killian memos, at least not to a trained eye.

My eye must not be trained.

18 posted on 11/09/2005 6:55:46 AM PST by OSHA (I've got a hole in my head too, but that's beside the point.)
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To: steve-b

In an article by Howard Kurtz in today's Washington Post, Mary bemoans all of the attention brought on her, particularly after her father, an alcholic according to her, belittled her and said she was grandstanding. Texans might probably say he told the truth on her.

Poor Mary said she was frightened by all of the people who came around her house, "..leaping out of pickups."

I guess the thought of old Jimmy Dale and Jo Nell were just too much for her liberal sensitivities. The fact that she was plagued by pickups rings about as true as her story about the documents. The eliteism displayed in that remark alone should be enough to tell the world where her head and heart are.


19 posted on 11/09/2005 6:55:56 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: steve-b
Mary Mapes is madder than a rained-out rooster, as her former boss, Dan Rather, might say.

The saying is: Madder'n a wet hen. (Madder than a wet hen.)

20 posted on 11/09/2005 6:56:16 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: steve-b
Speaking of BS, here's another quote: (...)

Right. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

And keep in mind, Mapes is one of the people who used to control the perceptions of millions of American voters from behind the scenes. Now she's revealed to be a neurotic fool in the grip of delusions. As is her boss.

Amazing. I think the left is going to have to try to kill the internet in order to survive in free society. Either that, or start using the Internet to coordinate violence against ordinary people, as in Iraq.

(steely)

21 posted on 11/09/2005 6:57:29 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, the Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: steve-b
In "Truth and Duty," she almost succeeds

she spent 5 years digging and digging,spend 5 mins listening to a real nut case and went nation wide with a lie

ask Dan why he dropped you like a hot rock when it unraveled

Doogle

22 posted on 11/09/2005 6:58:19 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: Steely Tom
"Truth and Duty"
I'm surprised her jaw didn't lock tight.
23 posted on 11/09/2005 7:00:57 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: savedbygrace

Madder'n a set'n hen on a June bug is another, however, a rained out rooster would probably be pretty steamed.


24 posted on 11/09/2005 7:01:59 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: jaydubya2
This is technically correct. The trick is that CBS hired their own law firm to conduct the investigation. The law firm was then in the position of investigating its own client ... and no lawyer is going to reveal anything bad about his own client. On purpose, anyway.

The reason they got away with never calling the memos fraudulent is that they ignored all the evidence demonstrating that they were fraudulent. Anyone with access to Google and able to type the words "newcomer," "memo," and "forgery" can find some conclusive evidence. (Hint: The direct link is www.flounder.com/bush.htm).

25 posted on 11/09/2005 7:04:46 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: billhilly
a rained out rooster would probably be pretty steamed.

..not being able to,but definitely would like to watch...what would a sprinkled on rooster do?. I mean if you flick a few drops his way...???...sick minds want to know?

Doogle

26 posted on 11/09/2005 7:06:28 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: Polyxene

As evidenced yesterday on the boobs not bombs post.


27 posted on 11/09/2005 7:09:01 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: Sunshine Sister

Ain't that the truth! And Helen Thomas is the poster-NAG!


28 posted on 11/09/2005 7:16:54 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: savedbygrace
Thanks for confirming my suspicion. I've lived in Texas for 25 years, and I've never heard of a rained-out rooster.
29 posted on 11/09/2005 7:17:43 AM PST by Night Hides Not (1 John 3:18 (my interpretation: Deeds, Not Words"))
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To: steve-b
Mapes says she is continuing to investigate the source of the controversial documents whose authenticity was seriously questioned by the CBS panel. Just like O.J. is looking for the "real" killer. She tells Ross that she had no journalistic obligation to prove the authenticity of the documents before including them in the "60 Minutes II" report. "I don't think that's the standard," she said. And this is why you were FIRED! My God woman, what do you think the job of a journalist is!!!!!
30 posted on 11/09/2005 7:17:58 AM PST by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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To: steve-b
Indeed, of the many nasty and unfair things said about Mapes by the blog mob


*Que the Mandolin*

Mary, Mary, We gave you an explanation you couldn't refuse.

The day we exposed you, we were just taking care of FReeper family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Mary.

You're not gonna wanna hear this Mary, but Dan's career died, and you're still trying to make the deal...its over let it go....or the family may call in a favor to shut you up Kapeech!
31 posted on 11/09/2005 7:21:43 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Polyxene

Helen Thomas is the standard by which ugly is determined! Thanks for the laugh!


32 posted on 11/09/2005 7:21:47 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: steve-b

Holy Cr*p, Batman. WaPo still thinks there is a chance that these memo's are not forgeries? They are going to hang their hat on that???


33 posted on 11/09/2005 7:27:49 AM PST by dalight
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To: Doogle

"what would a sprinkled on rooster do?"

Cockle doodle doo I suppose.


34 posted on 11/09/2005 7:33:07 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: billhilly

Or is that cock a doodle doo?


35 posted on 11/09/2005 7:36:00 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: sr4402

The more they "report," the more they reveal their willingness to lie about anything.

What the naive may miss is this - The lies are a message to everyone: we will do whatever it takes to move our agenda forward. I have dealt with that in various institutions.

Thank God for FR and the blogs. The newspapers are all hurting. The lamestream news is ignored or hated by typical citizens. There is hope.


36 posted on 11/09/2005 7:36:59 AM PST by sine_nomine (Every baby is a blessing from God, from the moment of conception.)
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To: billhilly

as oppose to what Madonna would say....but I'll pass_______


Doogle


37 posted on 11/09/2005 7:37:38 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: dalight
CBS hasn't met their obligation to deal with this definitively and left open room for spin and re-interpretation. WaPo is choosing by not stating positively that these documents are obvious forgeries..

They should have to retract this. Or, They should have to establish to the risk of their own creditability that these documents are indeed genuine.

Ultimately, the problem here is that like in the case of the CIA leak, the administration decided not to pursue serious crimes committed by their enemies. This has been shown to be misguided in that it like terrorists, encourages them to even more bizarre irresponsible behavior.

If the administration cannot stomach being seen using the Justice Department to prosecute crimes committed by the Democrats, then they should appoint a special prosecutor to handle this inquiry on a apolitical level. Was a crime committed? Forgery, Fraud, Voter intimidation, Racketeering, on and on the list of crimes grows and the only person in trouble is being chased for telling the truth.

38 posted on 11/09/2005 7:49:05 AM PST by dalight
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To: Doogle

Good idea.


39 posted on 11/09/2005 7:55:44 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: steve-b

She doesn't get it.

She isn't a journalist, she's an activist.

She started with the preconception that Bush did something wrong. She ignored any evidence that showed Bush in a good light. She spun whatever information she found to make it fit her pre-defined story.

After years of trying to construct a belivable story she desparately grasped at obviously fake documents to support her story.

If our legal system still had a concept of libel, she would be sued into bankruptcy.

If were forced to find a job compatable with her integrity and honesty, McDonalds would hire her.

Yet after trying to destroy people's lives with lies and half truths spun together, she feels she's been treated unfairly?

This moonbat needs to be instutionalized.


40 posted on 11/09/2005 8:01:33 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: steve-b
"No one has shown them definitively to be forgeries..."

They cannot be "definitively" shown to be forgeries so long as there is one person somewhere who might say he believes them to be genuine.

41 posted on 11/09/2005 8:22:57 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: secret garden

Lance Rentzel?


42 posted on 11/09/2005 8:25:29 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: samtheman
Falsified evidence means nothing to the liberal mind when it's on a roll.

When youbelieve that Truth is something invented by white men to oppress minorities and women there is no such thing as falsified anything if it promotes The Cause.

43 posted on 11/09/2005 8:25:38 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: prion
Anyone claiming otherwise is either too young to remember, or a liar.

or a Liberal for whom Truth is what supports the politically correct interpretation.

44 posted on 11/09/2005 8:28:18 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Doogle
ask Dan why he dropped you like a hot rock when it unraveled

Dan was suely complicit. They had just never been slapped by the Internet before. What looks insanely transparent would have passed as Truth a few years ago. Dan has done it before with the VN vets and it is accepted as History.

45 posted on 11/09/2005 8:34:23 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
If I recall properly, blogs have demonstrated beyond question that even professional typesetting machines in existence in the early '70's could not create the script of the Mapes forgeries as closely as Word does in your example because of the exact nature of proportional spacing, kerning and superscripts taken together.
46 posted on 11/09/2005 10:03:31 AM PST by Post Toasties
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To: camle

47 posted on 11/09/2005 10:04:17 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Post Toasties
If I recall properly, blogs have demonstrated beyond question that even professional typesetting machines in existence in the early '70's could not create the script of the Mapes forgeries as closely as Word does in your example because of the exact nature of proportional spacing, kerning and superscripts taken together

I may not have a "trained eye", but this is an obvious forgery.

Mapes and her defenders are delusional if they believe the docs have not "definitively" been shown to be forgeries.

48 posted on 11/10/2005 7:05:36 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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