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Carl Levin: Saddam Had Nukes
newsmax.com ^ | Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005 10:36 a.m. EST

Posted on 11/09/2005 9:27:35 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

Iraq war critic, Sen. Carl Levin made a startling admission Monday night - confessing that he believed the Bush administration was not wrong when they claimed Saddam Hussein posed a nuclear threat.

"Look, there was plenty of evidence that Saddam had nuclear weapons," Levin told MSNBC's "Hardball." "That is not in dispute. There is plenty of evidence of that."

Unfortunately, the White House's nuclear claims are in dispute - and by none other than Sen. Levin himself.

"When they said that the aluminum tubes that Saddam Hussein was seeking could only be used to make nuclear material, that was not true," the Michigan Democrat told the Senate the same day. "There is a pattern of exaggeration, distortion, misleading statements by the administration prior to the war."

We tend to think Levin's "plenty of evidence" statement is closer to the truth - especially given the fact that Saddam had 500-tons of uranium at his disposal and centrifuge parts and blueprints stored away for a rainy day. In the meantime, it might be a good idea for Sen. Levin to get his story straight before excoriating the White House any further.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; carllevin; iraq; iraqinukes; levin; wmd
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1 posted on 11/09/2005 9:27:36 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
"When they said that the aluminum tubes that Saddam Hussein was seeking could only be used to make nuclear material, that was not true,"

Did they say this? Was it true?

2 posted on 11/09/2005 9:31:01 AM PST by Huck (:-))
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To: InvisibleChurch

Sounds like Kerry? He had nuclear weapons before he didn't have nuclear weapons............or vice versa.....


3 posted on 11/09/2005 9:31:16 AM PST by Red Badger (Whatever happened to formulas 1 through 408?.........)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Carl Levin is almost as creepy as John Corzine.


4 posted on 11/09/2005 9:31:38 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

We share the same feelings toward our honorable Senator.


5 posted on 11/09/2005 9:31:42 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Who Is Lying About Iraq?

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/podhoretz1205advance.html


6 posted on 11/09/2005 9:32:25 AM PST by Weimdog
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To: Huck

You have to read between the lines. Technically, Levin is right. The tubes could have been used for bongs.........


7 posted on 11/09/2005 9:32:38 AM PST by Red Badger (Whatever happened to formulas 1 through 408?.........)
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To: Red Badger
I supported the President, right before I spoke out against him.

Another leftist, two-faced sphincter-sister
8 posted on 11/09/2005 9:33:28 AM PST by stm
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To: InvisibleChurch

bump


9 posted on 11/09/2005 9:34:02 AM PST by VOA
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To: InvisibleChurch


Tell me Comrade Levin-- are nukes not "WMDs"?

...looks like these douchebags are scared of looking like idiots now that the 500tons of uranium is being reported on (freepers have known about this for over a year).


Revisionist history by the american communists once again. Before you know it, they'll be telling you that they never questioned WMDs and that they wanted to go into Iraq before Bush did....and it's all "Bush's fault" because he delayed the invasion.




10 posted on 11/09/2005 9:35:14 AM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
We tend to think Levin's "plenty of evidence" statement is closer to the truth - especially given the fact that Saddam had 500-tons of uranium at his disposal and centrifuge parts and blueprints stored away for a rainy day. In the meantime, it might be a good idea for Sen. Levin to get his story straight before excoriating the White House any further.

And the admin. has to be a little more forceful in its defense. They need to be a little more aggressive in getting the truth out.. I haven't heard any reports of the 500 tons of uranium being found - though there were reports of sealed uranium (from previous UN inspections) going missing after the invasion. The admin. can't rely on journalists to get it right...

In general, the intelligence available to the president is far more than what is available to senators, even those on the intelligence committee. The administration has to make its own case... the unity and patriotism of 9-11 has unfortunately evaporated..

11 posted on 11/09/2005 9:36:29 AM PST by blaise
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To: InvisibleChurch; Jersey Republican Biker Chick

"When they said that the aluminum tubes that Saddam Hussein was seeking could only be used to make nuclear material, that was not true,"

Correct-a-mundo Senator!  He could have used them to pull the sugar and coloring out of Kool-ade, or put some ants in there and mush 'em up into pulp, or even put his pee in there and see what came out.  Why should anyone make any assumptions about Saddam partaking in any nefarious activities, right?  I sleep soundly under the blanket of security you provide.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

12 posted on 11/09/2005 9:38:32 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Huck
Colin Powell, in his address to the Unbelievable Numbskulls, noted that aluminum cylinders recently bought by Iraq - and intercepted by us after quite a bit of border hopping, presumably to hide their origin - which Iraq was claiming were for artillery shells, were manufactured to a degree of accuracy that would make them suitable for centrifuges, and if they truely were built for artillery, were "built an awful lot better than the US builds ours".

That's the gist of it, might be some slight variances based on the feebleness of my memory.

13 posted on 11/09/2005 9:40:27 AM PST by 4woodenboats (Revelations 20:4)
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To: Owl_Eagle
I think Saddam was running a meth lab. No nukes, just speed baby!!!!
14 posted on 11/09/2005 9:41:26 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

France sold millions of dollars' worth of sensitive equipment to six separate plants in Iraq for making mustard gas and nerve agents, that gave a capacity to produce of hundreds of tons of nerve agent per year.

France's Pasteur Institute also sold strains of anthrax and botulinum to Iraq.

France also sold Iraq high-resolution optic system for Missiles.

France also sold and built for Iraq the Osirak reactor along with about 12.5 kilograms of highly-enriched uranium reactor fuel; contract valued at $37.5 million. (also supplied three tons of heavy water along with the Osirak reactor.)

France also exported a DM2.2 million chemical weapon factory to Iraq.

France supplied inertial navigation and guidance system for the Condor II intermediate-range missile for Iraq.

France manufactured and sold to Iraq two electron beam welders which were found by U.N. inspectors at nuclear weapon sites; capable of being used to develop nuclear weapons.

France supplied auxiliary facilities for Tuwaitha nuclear center, including an effluent treatment station and a laboratory hot cell useful in extracting plutonium from spent reactor fuel.

France supplied radar technology used to convert an Ilyushin-76 into an AWACS aircraft; sold $157 million worth of defense electronics equipment.

France built Saad 13, a military radar factory, on a turnkey basis. This factory manufactured high-frequency military communication equipment and radar, under license for Iraqi. It was found by U.N. inspectors to have manufactured components for equipment used in making nuclear fuel for the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. Also manufactured high voltage DC switches such as thyrister oblique switches.

NOTE: This was responsibility for the centrifuge program to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons that we have threads about!

http://www.iraqwatch.org


15 posted on 11/09/2005 9:43:16 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Carl Levin: Saddam Had Nukes

Gomer: "Surprise, surprise!"

16 posted on 11/09/2005 9:44:25 AM PST by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Aluminum Tubing
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/860674/posts


17 posted on 11/09/2005 9:44:27 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: blaise

"the unity and patriotism of 9-11 has unfortunately evaporated.."


great! lets wait for another assault, better yet drop any defenses.... make it easier.

perhaps then america might wake up,,,, perhaps torture might well be more widely accepted.

if america isn't going to fight them on their terms following what is politically correct agenda, we are ensuring their victory.


18 posted on 11/09/2005 9:47:49 AM PST by jackson29
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To: jackson29
Karl Levin:(Sung to the tune of 'Jimmy Crack Corn')

Saddam had nukes and I don't care

Saddam had nukes and I don't care

Saddam had nukes and I don't care

Its Roves fault either way!

19 posted on 11/09/2005 9:49:41 AM PST by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Kudos to NewsMax for breaking this story -- do we have have links any other news outlets that have picked up this story?


20 posted on 11/09/2005 9:49:46 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Aluminum Tubes.... Saddam just needed them for his snow making machines. Yeah, thats it.


21 posted on 11/09/2005 9:51:32 AM PST by skikvt
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To: Calpernia

And now france is burning with gratitude...


22 posted on 11/09/2005 9:57:15 AM PST by null and void ("if he mentions "The Noodle Incident", remember, I had nothing to do with it.")
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To: InvisibleChurch

Alright, then what was the aluminum tubes going to be used for? Aluminum tubes of this type are the only type of tubes that could be used for enriching uranium. He had 500-tons of uranium stuff. So lets be smart, and tell me just what the aluminum tubes were going to be used for since much cheaper tubes could be used for almost anything except enriching uranium. Ah, hell, forget it. I have my own idea.


23 posted on 11/09/2005 9:57:32 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: jackson29
perhaps then america might wake up,,,, perhaps torture might well be more widely accepted.

There's going to be a big resistance to torture from the public. Torture only works when the truth is largely known - and you know the person knows it, and you understand their fears. When torture of prisoners becomes systematic, and we have no idea what any random people know, we're going to get garbage "confessions" and intelligence. The person under torture is going to tell the torturing anything HE thinks the torturer wants to hear. Considering the number of inmates released from Gitmo, and the fact that we still do not have OBL, plus all the bad publicity we're generating, maybe it isn't a good course.

if america isn't going to fight them on their terms following what is politically correct agenda, we are ensuring their victory.

Americans would rather fight on OUR terms, not theirs. We were able to stop Y2K attacks, and other attacks on our soil before... we need a top-down reform of the CIA for starters. If some hapless kid from California can wander into Afghanistan and personally meet OBL, certainly the CIA can train or recruit professionals to go deep undercover.

24 posted on 11/09/2005 9:59:34 AM PST by blaise
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To: Calpernia; pepsionice; piasa
Is this the Smoking Gun (FR Jan 03)

Aluminum tube info. Post #22 gets to the meat.

25 posted on 11/09/2005 10:00:28 AM PST by txhurl
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To: InvisibleChurch

Tell Karl Rove to have a television commercial cut.


26 posted on 11/09/2005 10:00:49 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: Carl/NewsMax


27 posted on 11/09/2005 10:01:48 AM PST by txhurl
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To: InvisibleChurch
Saddam had 500-tons of uranium at his disposal

Never ceases to amaze me, how little we hear about this...

28 posted on 11/09/2005 10:03:25 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("(I've had) too many wives and taken too many drugs." -Ambassador Joe Wilson)
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To: bpjam
Saddam had nukes, so who has them now? He didn't use them. I'm sure Saddam didn't say to his defense department, "Hey, the American Army is coming, General. Why don't you take those atomic bombs be been keeping out the the town dump and burn them?" In any case I tend to believe that the are next door in Iran.
29 posted on 11/09/2005 10:04:55 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: null and void

President Bush May Send Up To 5 Marines For French Assistance





President Bush has authorized the Joint Chiefs to begin drawing up a
battle plan to pull France's ass out of the fire again. Facing an
apparent overwhelming force of up to 400 pissed off teenagers Mr. Bush
doubts France's ability to hold off the little pissants. "Hell, if the
last two world wars are any indication, I would expect France to
surrender any day now", said Bush. Joint Chiefs head, Gen. Peter Pace,
warned the President that it might be necessary to send up to 5 marines
to get things under control. The general admitted that 5 marines may be
overkill but he wanted to get this thing under control within 24 hours
of arriving on scene. He stated he was having a hard time finding even
one marine to help those ungrateful bastards out for a third time but
thought that he could persuade a few women marines to do the job before
they went on pregnancy leave.

President Bush asked Gen. Pace to get our marines out of there as soon
as possible after order was restored. He also reminded Gen. Pace to make
sure the marines did not take soap, razors, or deodorant with them. The
less they stand out the better.


30 posted on 11/09/2005 10:05:05 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Since NO ONE watches Hardball he didn't expect that his quote would get out!


31 posted on 11/09/2005 10:05:37 AM PST by Rocket1968 (Durbin must resign - NOW!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Levin is one of the senior members of the Senate.He serves on the Intelligence and the Armed Services Committees. And he says that there's "plenty of evidence" regarding Sadaam's nuclear capabilities/ambitions.

Soooooo....I think that I'll wander on over to DUmmieLand to see if there's a single word mentioned about Levin's comments.

32 posted on 11/09/2005 10:05:50 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: InvisibleChurch

Every once in a great while, Karl says something strangely conservative. Even Bolsheviks are entitled to have a bad day.


33 posted on 11/09/2005 10:08:30 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

Must have some of the uranium he "didn't get" from that country Valery Plame sent her husband to check out....


34 posted on 11/09/2005 10:09:25 AM PST by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Better you than me...


35 posted on 11/09/2005 10:09:57 AM PST by null and void ("if he mentions "The Noodle Incident", remember, I had nothing to do with it.")
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To: oyez
Saddam had nukes, so who has them now?

Whatever happened to the 'mystery ship' we were tracking before the war?

36 posted on 11/09/2005 10:12:03 AM PST by polymuser (")
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To: InvisibleChurch

Well, that about blows up the Dimmycrap claims.


37 posted on 11/09/2005 10:13:45 AM PST by TBP
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To: InvisibleChurch

Well, that about blows up the Dimmycrap claims.


38 posted on 11/09/2005 10:13:56 AM PST by TBP
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To: InvisibleChurch

If Carl was a she, her name would be Barbara.


39 posted on 11/09/2005 10:14:12 AM PST by polymuser (")
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To: polymuser

Seems like there were 3 ships.


40 posted on 11/09/2005 10:16:17 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Past Your Eyes

No, no. You obviously haven't focused closely on Levin's comb-over, which is a hall-of-famer.


41 posted on 11/09/2005 10:35:22 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: oyez

Oyez. First, it was a joke. Read the headline of the post and it will become more funny. (hopefully). Second, we got caught with our pants down in 1991 when we completely UNDERESTIMATED the Iraqi nuke program. I'd rather Over-estimate it this time and be wrong that way than be wrong saying that they didn't have it when they did (think Clinton-North Korea/Pakistan/India/Iran).


42 posted on 11/09/2005 10:35:58 AM PST by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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To: 4woodenboats

You are correct about Powell. I just looked it up.


43 posted on 11/09/2005 10:39:23 AM PST by Huck (:-))
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To: InvisibleChurch

Whoops!!!!


44 posted on 11/09/2005 10:44:51 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: txflake

Yes, three ships. Supposedly circling in the Indian Ocean, stopping briefly in t-friendly ports, with no flags of origin, from 11/02 to 2/03. Story broke 2/19/03. Quick search finds no follow-up reporting, just blog/post commentary.


45 posted on 11/09/2005 10:47:22 AM PST by polymuser (")
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To: polymuser

It remains a mystery.


46 posted on 11/09/2005 10:52:33 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: polymuser

Lemme root around FR for a minute.


47 posted on 11/09/2005 10:53:01 AM PST by txhurl
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To: blaise
The administration has to make its own case...

Yes it does and it doesn't seem to be very good at it. It would be too easy to claim that Bush is just protecting his friends (oil co's, Suadi's, etc), but I think Bush doesn't think that the American people can handle the truth. If so, it's a mistake. A big one.

48 posted on 11/09/2005 10:58:14 AM PST by elbucko
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To: polymuser
Three mystery ships are tracked over suspected 'weapons' cargo (FR 2/19/03)

Maybe we can take up a collection for Mansoor Ijaz to tell us where they ultimately wound up.

49 posted on 11/09/2005 10:59:24 AM PST by txhurl
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To: InvisibleChurch

levin's term is up in '08 isn't it? i really hope we have someone running that might actually beat him.


50 posted on 11/09/2005 11:05:02 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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