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Schools Dropping Scouting Sponsorships, Fearing Lawsuits
KSDK News ^ | 11/9/2005 | Cordell Whitlock

Posted on 11/09/2005 10:13:38 AM PST by Jay777

(KSDK) - Threats of litigation by the American Civil Liberties Union is causing trouble for some Boy Scouts in St. Charles County.

Last year the ACLU complained the Boy Scouts were a religious group, because members were compelled to swear an oath of duty to God. When the ACLU began winning court cases, several sponsors pulled out.

Cub Scout Pack 530 was sponsored by Castlio Elementary School in St. Charles County for 20 years until the school pulled out after the ACLU'S nationwide threat to sue. Some parents are upset because the parent-teacher organization at Castlio decided not to sponsor the pack, after being requested to do so.

When a new PTO Board was seated this year, members talked with an attorney and decided the organization was at risk legally by sponsoring the Scouts. "The ACLU has left the door open for litigation in this matter," says Castlio PTO President Mary Johnson.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; boyscouts; bsa; scouting; scouts; stoptheaclu
HOW YOU CAN HELP THE BOYSCOUTS
1 posted on 11/09/2005 10:13:39 AM PST by Jay777
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To: Jay777

For every one dropped a church pick it up.


2 posted on 11/09/2005 10:14:29 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; EdReform; Nick Danger; ...
PING!
3 posted on 11/09/2005 10:14:45 AM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: One Proud Dad

Absolutely!


4 posted on 11/09/2005 10:15:10 AM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition (GREATLY ORGANIZED ACTIVIST SITE..PLEASE JOIN) - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members

Anti-ACLU Page

The Center For Reclaiming America (petitions to congress)

The Becket Fund

Christian Legal Society

Pacific Justice Institute

Landmark Legal Foundation

American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy

The Liberty Council

ACLU-Watch

ACLU (Know Thine Enemy)

My personal Anti-ACLU Blog


"I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produced the wealth: communism is the goal." - Roger Baldwin, ACLU founder, Harvard Reunion Book, 1935


"The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body to forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers and so on." - William Z. Foster, ACLU co-founder and former chairman, Communist Party USA.


Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list


5 posted on 11/09/2005 10:16:41 AM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Republic; WVNan; backhoe; LiteKeeper; Tailgunner Joe; Jay777

ACLU ping


6 posted on 11/09/2005 10:19:15 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Jay777

Accused Terrorist Wrote School Guidelines with ACLU
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1052017/posts

FBI says it has files on ACLU, Greenpeace, other rights groups
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1445131/posts

The Truth About The American Civil Liberties Union
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1261888/posts


7 posted on 11/09/2005 10:19:32 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Jay777
Apparently, public schools must eliminate every last drop of God in them.

VOUCHERS!

8 posted on 11/09/2005 10:19:51 AM PST by polymuser (")
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To: Calpernia

Yeah, I wish the FBI would release those Files, and state the charges. This organization needs to go down.


9 posted on 11/09/2005 10:21:05 AM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: One Proud Dad

Exactly! There are always churches with facilities for meetings. Let churches step up to the plate and sponsor BS troops. Kind of takes the wind out of argumanets about forcing the BS to forego publicly pledging respect for God for fear of offending the ears of an atheist.


10 posted on 11/09/2005 10:22:17 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Jay777

I second that!


11 posted on 11/09/2005 10:22:52 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Jay777
We were told by our local council that if a troop or pack was sponsored by a government group that they had to find a different sponsor. We were informed that this change in policy was coming down from national. So the pack that bridges boys into our troop will have to find a new sponsor. They can still meet at the school, but the school can no longer be their sponsor. The parent club, church or other civin organization will need to step up to sponsor them.
12 posted on 11/09/2005 10:24:57 AM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (God Bless our military)
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To: Jay777

What is "feared" from these lawsuits? At worst, the ACLU could make the schools drop their sponsorship. Well, the schools did that voluntarily. So what was the "fear" factor?

This "fearing lawsuits" has become the spineless cop-out of our century, IMO.


13 posted on 11/09/2005 10:27:43 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Jay777

I am not sure I disagree with the results. Scouting most assuredly belongs in the churches. The children and their needs will be met in all areas.

Having said that, I think the ACLU is a despicable organization whose funding should be stopped immediately.


14 posted on 11/09/2005 10:32:17 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: One Proud Dad

Not just churches. My sons pack was supported by a police department until ACLU intimidation forced them to drop it. The police officers were so angry at the result that they had their UNION pick up the charter :-)

As I understand it, there have only been a couple of packs nationwide that have disbanded because of this type of action by the ACLU, and they were marginal even before losing their sponsor. Most packs faced with losing their sponsors have no problem finding someone else...a church, a community group, or even a company, to become their chartering organization.

As much as the ACLU despises the Scouts, most Americans still support it. As long as that's the case, these packs and Troops will continue to exist.


15 posted on 11/09/2005 10:40:34 AM PST by Arthalion
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

This infuriates me....... People need to get together to crush the ACLU. Somebody needs to contact Bill Oreilly about this!


16 posted on 11/09/2005 10:51:10 AM PST by CitadelArmyJag ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man with no convictions" G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Arthalion

Our Pack and Troop does not have a charter organization. For various reasons, we wanted to remain independent so we are chartered by "Friends of Pack 518" Guess who the "friends" are?

All the members.


17 posted on 11/09/2005 11:01:28 AM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: Jay777; One Proud Dad; silverleaf; notpoliticallycorewrecked; Arthalion; cyclotic
This is not a new development.

Prior to 1998 or 1999, the Boy Scouts had a co-ed program called "Explorers." Two of the most popular options were firefighting Explorers and law enforcement Explorers, and Explorer Posts usually had local Fire Stations or Police Departments as chartered organizations. After losing lawsuits to the ACLU because the Explorers' oath required belief in a Supreme Being, the BSA moved Exploring to its subsidiary, Learning For Life, which does not require belief in a Supreme Being.

BSA replaced Exploring with Venturing, a co-ed high adventure program for youth 14-21 (not to be confused with the old Venture patrols in Boy Scout Troops).

Schools and PTAs that had served as chartered organizations for Cub Scout Packs and Boy Scout Troops started to drop them earnestly beginning in the same era, based on both the ACLU lawsuits and the no-gay-leaders issues.

While it is true that churches (or police unions, for example) stepped forward to serve as chartered organizations, the loss of schools as COs hurt Scouting in urban areas. It was much easier for boy to stay after school for a Den, Pack, Troop, or Post meeting than to expect an urban youth to go to a church that afternoon, or to return to a church or other location that evening.

All of the minor decreases in Scouting youth enrollment pointed to from time to time by the ACLU since 1998 are the result of major loss of youth membership in a few major urban areas, not quite offset by large growth in all other areas.

Cyclotic, my Pack, Troop, and Crew are all self-chartered -- 25 years ago, the parents and former Scouts formed a nonprofit corporation solely for the purpose of chartering Scouting groups. We were lucky enough to own land and a Scout Hut that had been donated by a parent in the past. We have our share of internal politics, but it beats educating a new minister, principal, or union president about what a Scouting program is and should be.

Would stay longer, but I'm off to a meeting on the 2007 World Jamboree -- the 100th Anniversary of Scouting!

SUPPORT SCOUTING!

18 posted on 11/09/2005 11:23:02 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred)
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To: Jay777

Public schools are no place for American children anyway. Too many sexual pervert teachers hang out there to prey on our children.


19 posted on 11/09/2005 11:34:40 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's no coincidence that the Democrat mascot is a jackass.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Thanks,

Enjoy the Jamboree.

Scouting is an organization that I dropped out of when I was 10. Dumb mistake. I now have a Tiger and a Webelo.

Scouting is an organization that I become more and more impressed with. I'm now a den leader (tiger), asst. den leader (Webelo), Asst. Cubmaster (planning on a hostile takeover of the Pack in 2 years when the Cubmaster moves on)

300 or so Scouters just met last weekend for University of Scouting leadership training. Great, great stuff.

BTW, if you get this before you go, please write a post and ping me about it on how the World Jamboree went. I'm particularly interested in the progress with Iraqi Scouting programs.

Thanks,


20 posted on 11/09/2005 12:06:28 PM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: cyclotic
Thanks for your support of Scouting. We had a glitch in communication -- I was on my way to a MEETING about the 2007 World Jamboree. I won't be leaving for the actual Jamboree until mid-July 2007.

There is no current Iraqi Scouting organization in the World Organization of Scouting (Iraq was expelled in 1999 after Saddam Hussein turned Iraqi Scouting into his private program, with hand-to-hand fighting drills).

For a description of the Iraqi Scouting Initiative, an attempt to re-introduce Scouting to Iraq, see Jamboree Jihad, from Outside magazine, October 2004.

To make a donation to the Iraqi Scouting Initiative, send your check to:

The World Friendship Fund
Boy Scouts of America
1325 West Walnut Hill Lane
PO Box 152079
Irving, Texas 75015-2079

Make your check out to the "World Friendship Fund." On the notation line at the bottom of your check, please write "for the Iraqi Scouting Initiative." One hundred percent of all donations go to the Iraqi Scouting programs.

21 posted on 11/09/2005 12:56:37 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred)
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To: Scoutmaster

Thanks,

I already wear my Iraqi Scouting temp patch on my uniform.

I knew there was a world Jamboree but had no idea when or where. Have fun when you go.


22 posted on 11/09/2005 1:06:49 PM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: Scoutmaster

You're going to Britain? Lucky dog...my son will miss the minimum age cutoff by one year, or we'd be going as well. That will be a once in a lifetime event!


23 posted on 11/09/2005 1:19:24 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: Arthalion; cyclotic
Yes, I'll be in Great Britain for the 2007 World Jamboree, and I'm blessed to be a Scoutmaster for one of the Southern Region BSA Troops (to be formed), although I would go in any staff position I could get. I believe it was the '99 World Jamboree in Chile that a full-bird Air Force Colonel's staff job was cleaning toilets. I'd tell you that you wouldn't believe how excited and proud he was to do the job but, let's face it, he was a full-bird Colonel still involved in Scouting. That's just the kind of man and Eagle Scout he was.

For those of you who don't know, the 2007 World Jamboree will be the Centenary of Scouting, and will be held in England. I'll post information later about where you can contribute to help Scouts from less-developed nations attend the World Jamboree (there are National Scouting programs in 150+ countries; 140+ of those are in the World Organization).

We'll postpone the National Jamboree for one year, to 2010, to celebrate the Centenary of Scouting in the United States.

The next five years for Scouting are going to be big.

24 posted on 11/09/2005 2:01:29 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred)
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To: Jay777

We ought to sue the Schools for dropping the Scoting program.


25 posted on 11/10/2005 4:37:58 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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