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Higher education creates poverty
Marshall University Parthenon ^ | 11/9/2005 | MICHAEL HUPP

Posted on 11/09/2005 10:43:17 AM PST by texassizednightcrawler

Higher education is slowly becoming a catalyst for a class system in America and Congress is fueling the problem.

Congress is proposing to cut financial aid funding to students. Any student whose family is classified under the level of "lower-middle" class is going to have a difficult time finding finances to receive a higher education. I once heard someone say, "The world needs ditch diggers too." Well, that is fine and dandy, but digging ditches barely keeps pay above the poverty level.

The class system is slowly emerging, driven by America's higher education system. Rich kids will get to go to college, while the poor ones will not be able to afford it. The same privileged few running our country will continue to rule. The poor will continue to struggle to live, thanks to less government assistance.

I know, less government assistance raises red flags and allegations of "just live on welfare your whole life," but what does the government expect people to do? They wonder why people pump out five kids to receive more benefits. Granted, there are some citizens who plot and scheme so they do not have to work, but not everyone thinks and operates that way. Some just do not have the resources and the ones they do have are limited.

Which brings me to the point of my column: Is a higher education worth it under America's capitalist system? Think about it. Students are financing their lives away for a degree. Getting a degree does not guarantee a student a job when they graduate. Do you know how many people I know who are waiting tables to pay off their loans because they cannot find a job in their fields? It is not a trend just occurring in West Virginia, but across the country, in cities large and small.

The further I go in my college career, I realize I should have attended a two-year trade school. I could have been making money by now, rather than adding to my debt acquired while in school. Think about it. In a capitalist society, going to trade school is your best bet. No taking classes not related to your major and racking up loans. No getting caught in the "well-rounded" education trap emphasized at four-year institutions. What better way to fade into oblivion and join the "capitalist machine?" At least then, citizens can make some money sooner to survive.

As students, our backs are against the wall. If you do not go to college, you do not make enough money to provide for yourself. Go to trade school, you might luck into a job that pays more than $25,000 a year, but chances are, you will end up working a service job until you die, because there is no such thing as retirement in the service industry. They just do not have credible two-year journalism schools in the "system's" eyes.

I once had a respected, tenured professor tell us in class, "A well rounded education means you can recite poetry at the dinner table." Learn from this proverb. Tell your Congressmen that cutting financial aid is not the answer if they want to save money. Revamp and evaluate the school system itself. If you want qualified workers to fuel capitalism, then make it worth it for a student to go to a two-year institution, not a penalty. Cut out the unnecessary courses provided in four-year colleges and help students save money, while getting the training we need to be productive pawns of American society.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia; Unclassified
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Oh,to be young and really dumb. It not your fault you can't get a job in classical studies or art history. It is the capitalist system.
1 posted on 11/09/2005 10:43:17 AM PST by texassizednightcrawler
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To: texassizednightcrawler

And I've yet to meet a plumber who makes only $25K a year.


2 posted on 11/09/2005 10:46:00 AM PST by Missus (We're not trying to overpopulate the world, we're just trying to outnumber the idiots.)
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To: texassizednightcrawler

Based on this column, I would say that Marshall University admits idiots and then allows them to write for the student paper.


3 posted on 11/09/2005 10:46:41 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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What's a real crime is saddling young twenty-somethings with $100,000 in student loans for a degree that qualifies them to flip burgers.
4 posted on 11/09/2005 10:46:42 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: texassizednightcrawler

Is it just me or was that essay completely incoherent?


5 posted on 11/09/2005 10:47:12 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: texassizednightcrawler

That is so sad. I think I might cry.


6 posted on 11/09/2005 10:47:28 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: texassizednightcrawler
If you do not go to college, you do not make enough money to provide for yourself.

What a pile!

There are millions of Americans who are doing quite well, thank you, without having had the opportunity to go to college. Myself among them.

The necessity of a college degree to success is one of the greatest myths of our age.

Formal college education can be great. It is not at all essential.

7 posted on 11/09/2005 10:47:59 AM PST by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: texassizednightcrawler

These kids think it's their *right* to have a college education at a $40,000 a year institution. Of course they think it's their *right* to have a lot of things. Life is going to be tough for them.


8 posted on 11/09/2005 10:48:32 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Ninian Dryhope

I would have to say the school has gone down hill since I was a student.


9 posted on 11/09/2005 10:48:59 AM PST by texassizednightcrawler
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You give more money in financial aid or whatever, and the colleges compensate by raising tuition rates.

Its why college tuition rises faster then inflation (by astronomical amounts).

There are various solutions that would be more feasable and effective....and do not require congress and its iatrogenic side effects.

See Milton Friedman for more information.

10 posted on 11/09/2005 10:49:03 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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What's a real crime is saddling young twenty-somethings with $100,000 in student loans for a degree that qualifies them to flip burgers.

BRAVO!!!

11 posted on 11/09/2005 10:49:48 AM PST by USAConstitution
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To: texassizednightcrawler

What a dope. Shut up and get a job, kid.


12 posted on 11/09/2005 10:50:02 AM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: texassizednightcrawler

Q: What's the first thing a liberal arts graduate says on their first day of their new job?

A: "Would you like fries with that?"


13 posted on 11/09/2005 10:50:20 AM PST by RockinRight (Itís likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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"Do you know how many people I know who are waiting tables to pay off their loans because they cannot find a job in their fields?"

My daughter has loans to help finance her college education. She is now in her senior year at Rice. She already has a job offer to start working for a major German Chemical company with operations here in Texas. She will have no trouble paying off her loans. Of course, she majored in Chemical Engineering, not Woman's Studies.

Anyone in America, who wants to get an education can get an education. It is no doubt harder for some than it is for others, but anyone who is willing to do what it takes can get a decent education.


14 posted on 11/09/2005 10:50:36 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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while the poor ones will not be able to afford it. The same privileged few running our country will continue to rule. The poor will continue to struggle to live, thanks to less government assistance.

This lying little POS doesn't have a clue. Last I heard most so-called "scholarships" were nothing of the sort, but rather "needships" where those famlies that exhibited the most irresponsible fiscal behavior were rewarded with grants and no interest loans, while those famlies who scrimped and saved were paying the full freight for their own children and the deadbeats' children too. (run on sentence I know)

15 posted on 11/09/2005 10:51:45 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: texassizednightcrawler
"If you want qualified workers to fuel capitalism, then make it worth it for a student to go to a two-year institution, not a penalty. Cut out the unnecessary courses provided in four-year colleges and help students save money, while getting the training we need to be productive pawns of American society."

In a nutshell. Higher education is big business and serves to keep citizens out of the workforce for an extra four years - oh wait, 5 years...no, make that 6...

16 posted on 11/09/2005 10:52:26 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: texassizednightcrawler
Go to trade school, you might luck into a job that pays more than $25,000 a year,

Especially if you study "Post Modern Womyn Literature" or "Hispanic History"

17 posted on 11/09/2005 10:52:50 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Restorer

Your right, considering college had gone down hill, since 1998 when I finish my MBA. Most the students are graduating with degrees in sociology or silliness, which have little value. My mother would have killed me if went to school to become a Social Worker. She would have told me I was wasting their money.


18 posted on 11/09/2005 10:53:42 AM PST by texassizednightcrawler
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"They just do not have credible two-year journalism schools in the "system's" eyes."

They do not have any credible journalism schools at all in West Virgina, do they? For that matter, are there any credible J-schools anywhere? I think Columbia's is supposed to be the best and they are just a bunch of commies.
19 posted on 11/09/2005 10:53:47 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: texassizednightcrawler
Is a higher education worth it under America's capitalist system?

If your degree is in a field that our capitalist system values, then yes, a higher education is worth it.

If you go into debt with student loans trying to obtain a degree in a field of study that is not highly-valued by our markets, then no, a degree is a poor investment.

That's really the way to look at a higher education...as an investment. You may get caught up in the "academia" aspect -- "I'm in my field of study for the pure enjoyment of learning." But for those of us who don't come from wealth, or who aren't trust-fund babies, an education is usually the best way to get well into the economic middle class.

And what's all this talk about trade schools? I suppose there are certain trades in which someone could make a very decent living--plumbing, auto mechanics, etc. I would think that someone in any of those fields would make far above 25K a year.

20 posted on 11/09/2005 10:54:40 AM PST by Lou L
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