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The Means and Ends of Islamists
The New Individualist ^ | November 10, 2005 | Edward Hudgins

Posted on 11/09/2005 11:38:42 AM PST by Ed Hudgins

The Means and Ends of Islamists

by Edward Hudgins

Objectivist Center/Atlas Society

After each new suicide attack, as innocent blood flows in the streets of Baghdad, London, Madrid, or Tel Aviv, there is a surge of speculation about what motivates terrorists who are willing to give up their own lives for their cause.

Some observers say they're motivated by traditional geopolitical goals—for example, to drive the allies out of Afghanistan, Iraq, or the Middle East; to punish allied countries for their policies; or (that perennial favorite) to drive Israel into the sea. Those who buy this explanation often contend that the terrorists' ends might be understandable, but their means certainly are not. If their ends can only be addressed, the terrorists will be satisfied and stop their attacks.

Others say the terrorists are motivated by hatred of the West because it is secular, democratic, and modern as opposed to Islamic, authoritarian, and medieval. Like Nazis or communists, Islamists see themselves in a war with the rest of the world—either they must win or we will. Giving in to their geopolitical demands might reduce the terrorism in certain places and for a while, but in the long run will be seen by the Islamists as a sign of weakness. They will only be encouraged to continue to push for more radical goals, and will regard their terrorist tactics as a successful strategy to achieve them.

So which is it? In fact, both arguments carry some truth because the two are not mutually exclusive. Islamists do not spring up from within a vacuum; rather, they arise from within a culture that instills in them most of their values. The ends of the Islamists are constituted in the means they adopt, and both their means and ends reflect their fundamental values...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; islamists; london; middleeast; muslims; suicidebombings; terrorism; terrorists; westernvalues

1 posted on 11/09/2005 11:38:44 AM PST by Ed Hudgins
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To: Ed Hudgins
"Either they are going to have to change the way they live, or we are going to have to change the way we live. We have chosen the latter."

Donald Rumsfeld
2 posted on 11/09/2005 11:41:20 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber

Your Rummy quote needs work.


3 posted on 11/09/2005 11:49:04 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
You're right! Try this one:

"Either we are going to have to change the way we live, or they are going to have to change the way they live. We have chosen the latter."

Donald Rumsfeld

My favorite Rummyism. Sums up the situation nicely.
4 posted on 11/09/2005 11:55:37 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: Ed Hudgins
They favor indoctrination and blind faith over critical thought. And since they abandon reason in dealing with others and discovering truth, they must resort to force in order to instill their views on the unwilling.

This one of the reason that it is a waste of time to negotiate or compromise with the thugs. They will is unbendable and a concession by our side is seen as weakness.

5 posted on 11/09/2005 11:58:27 AM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: BigBobber
""Either they are going to have to change the way they live, or we are going to have to change the way we live. We have chosen the latter."
"Donald Rumsfeld"

Rumsfeld is right. But how does he explain away our new American system of 'multiculturalism', where Islam and Christianity must live together in 'harmony'? Which one of us must change the way we live right here in America?

I don't see Islam changing here, but I do see Christianity being suppressed by government while Islam is being taught and heralded in some of our public schools, and being trumpeted as "the religion of peace" by the likes of Rumsfeld himself.

The answer from government seems to be to just let them continue pouring into our country and we can hire more fbi and security to keep an eye on them. It's a cycle of insanity that isn't being broken or honestly addressed by anybody, including our present Administration.

6 posted on 11/09/2005 12:01:49 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: Ed Hudgins

"People like to call it suicide bombing," he said. "We call it self sacrifice. You must fight for the way of Allah—to kill first and be killed."



Islam in a nut shell.


7 posted on 11/09/2005 12:03:35 PM PST by mad puppy ( The Southern border needs to be a MAJOR issue in 2006 and 2008)
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To: oyez

Just remember, no torture.


8 posted on 11/09/2005 12:14:01 PM PST by funkywbr
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To: Ed Hudgins; SJackson; Alouette; Salem; dervish; backhoe; Cornpone; SunkenCiv; Alexander Rubin; ...
"The Means and Ends of Islamists"

Something like this, perhaps!?!?!?


9 posted on 11/09/2005 12:22:51 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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To: TheCrusader
Christians won't be able to worship or pray in public schools, but the Muslims will demand that they get their way. The courts will allow this because they see it as cultural rather than religious.
10 posted on 11/09/2005 12:27:06 PM PST by oyez (Appeasement is death!)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; All
Is Paris Burning? ( Religion of Peace® Alert )
Click the picture:

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.


Then, there is this little problem...

For "Thunder on the Border," click the picture:


Kindly note tagline:


11 posted on 11/09/2005 12:34:50 PM PST by backhoe (Anyone recall "A Clockwork Orange?")
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To: Ed Hudgins

Expulsion!


12 posted on 11/09/2005 12:49:39 PM PST by BooksForTheRight.com (what have you done today to fight terrorism/leftism (same thing!))
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Great grafics, but where is the hammer?


13 posted on 11/09/2005 12:53:45 PM PST by munin ( I support the war on Muslim terror)
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To: munin
Great grafics, but where is the hammer?

That's the Muslim crescent, not part of the hammer and sickle.

14 posted on 11/09/2005 12:59:55 PM PST by Steve1789 (Stay to the far right to get by.)
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