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Muhammad Ali appearance dispels fears over health
breitbart ^ | Nov 09

Posted on 11/09/2005 1:43:43 PM PST by george76

Ailing boxing legend Muhammad Ali swapped wisecracks with President George W. Bush in his first public appearance in five months which dispelled recent fears over his health.

Ali, 63, went to the White House to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the United States' highest civilian honor, from Bush.

He appeared weak from his longstanding battle against Parkinson's Disease but attentive throughout the ceremony in the East Room of the White House, applauding each recipient.

Ali's first public appearance in five months

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KEYWORDS: bush; medaloffreedom; muhammadali; parkinsonsdisease
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1 posted on 11/09/2005 1:43:44 PM PST by george76
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2 posted on 11/09/2005 1:44:31 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

A real American treasure. Too bad his life has to end this way.


3 posted on 11/09/2005 1:46:08 PM PST by duckman (I refuse to use a tag line...I mean it.)
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To: george76

Y'know, I'm torn here. I've always liked the guy. I loved watching him fight when I was a kid, and his shtick with Howard Cosell. I think he's handled his Parkinson's with grace, and he's undeniably one of the greatest boxers of all time...he practically redefined the heavyweight division.

But I'm just not 100% comfortable with giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to a draft resister. (Notice I didn't say "dodger," in that he did stay in the country and do his time in prison for it.)

}:-)4


4 posted on 11/09/2005 1:47:38 PM PST by Moose4 (Liberals and vampires: Both like death, both hate crosses, and both are bloodsuckers.)
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To: george76
I wonder how much money he gave to mooselimbs to kill Christians and Jews.
5 posted on 11/09/2005 1:49:17 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (I shot an error into the air. It's still going everywhere. R. A. HEINLEIN)
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To: george76
I wonder if he still belongs to that cult, the Nation of Islam? I wonder if he'll ever come clean about what he knows about the Malcolm X assassination? By the way, MA is as crazy as Farrakhan, but very careful not to say anything.
6 posted on 11/09/2005 1:50:01 PM PST by giobruno
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I wonder how much money he gave to mooselimbs to kill Christians and Jews - I wonder if you have half the conviction of your faith that he has in his?


7 posted on 11/09/2005 1:54:42 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: duckman

The 'treasure' should remain buried.


8 posted on 11/09/2005 1:56:57 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: giobruno
By the way, MA is as crazy as Farrakhan, but very careful not to say anything.

By the way, you know this how?

9 posted on 11/09/2005 2:00:45 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: SF Republican
I take it you are all for sports figures and actors getting a free pass on donations to overthrow our way of life!
10 posted on 11/09/2005 2:02:30 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (I shot an error into the air. It's still going everywhere. R. A. HEINLEIN)
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To: Moose4

I don't think Ali owes us a thing. He has lived his life with dignity and he took full advantage of his gifts. The country is the winner because of him.


11 posted on 11/09/2005 2:03:29 PM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: george76

I had friends coming home in boxes while Ali was draft dodging.
Presidential Medal of Freedom, my ass!


12 posted on 11/09/2005 2:04:11 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I got nothing against Ali. He never called me an INFIDEL!


13 posted on 11/09/2005 2:05:08 PM PST by TravisBickle (The War on Terror: Win It There or Fight It Here)
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To: george76

What's the reason for him getting this?


14 posted on 11/09/2005 2:07:23 PM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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To: Moose4

I'm 100% with you. Well he objectd out of his believe and he certainly had the conviction of his beliefs I still don't see how that leads to a medal of freedom.


15 posted on 11/09/2005 2:08:59 PM PST by marlon
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To: billhilly

And we don't owe Cassius Clay a thing, much less a Medal of Freedom for not doing a damned thing for the US, other than crapping on this country while hundreds of thousands of other young men went to fight (and many of whom died) in his place. Elvis Presley went into the armed forces at the peak of his career which was too much for this bum. So much for Mr. Neoconservative, George Bush. I'll never work or vote for another member of that incompetent family again. They'd be nowhere but for the real President, Ronald Reagan.


16 posted on 11/09/2005 2:11:27 PM PST by laconic
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I had friends coming home in boxes while Ali was draft dodging. Presidential Medal of Freedom, my ass!

My sentiments exactly. I entered the Army in 1968. In my book he is a COWARD. Neither he or Jane Fonda will ever be forgiven by me.

17 posted on 11/09/2005 2:12:04 PM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: george76

Ali, as all human beings are, is flawed. And so in his younger years he was led and influenced by people around him that were only operating in their interest, not his. However, any objective person must take full measure of the man during his entire life. Ali like so many other American Icons, is not perfect. But he loves this country, and its people, and its people love him. In both the ring an in his battle with illness, he has maintained that maverick glint in his eye, that lust for life and the glorious quest for America that allows an Ali to reach the pinnacle of suceess. He is both a great American and a hero to all in America!!!


18 posted on 11/09/2005 2:15:01 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: george76
Here is a much better photo of Clay, at least it is one of my favorites of him.


19 posted on 11/09/2005 2:16:33 PM PST by GunnyHartman (Allah is allah outta virgins.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

You east texas people crack me up. If President George W. Bush wants to give him a medal, thats good enough for me. I will let you judge his actions.


20 posted on 11/09/2005 2:18:36 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Moose4; george76

Ali was a Conscientuous Objector, and was ruled so by the Supreme Court. There's a difference between that and running away to Canada.


21 posted on 11/09/2005 2:20:18 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: laconic
For your information, Mr. happy, I was on active duty in the military during most of Ali's career, and like you, I'm still alive. You may not know it, but there have been conscientious objectors to the military, and they have been recognized by law for a very long time.
22 posted on 11/09/2005 2:21:16 PM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: laconic
Why should somebody be forced, by law, to take a government job (the army)? Did our founding fathers support conscription?

It was Abraham Lincoln who introduced conscription. An asinine idea more suited to Prussia than the land of the free.

23 posted on 11/09/2005 2:22:02 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: billhilly

Get off your high horse, don't lecture me with your very apt name, hillbilly. And I don't give a damn about your background.


24 posted on 11/09/2005 2:22:48 PM PST by laconic
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To: Clemenza
"Ali was a Conscientious Objector, and was ruled so by the Supreme Court. There's a difference between that and running away to Canada."


Yeah, the difference was he had MORE MONEY and a press machine promoting his sorry draft dodging ass.


Any questions?
25 posted on 11/09/2005 2:28:24 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy (Bumper sticker "Martyrs or Marines: Who do YOU think will get the virgins?")
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To: Mr. Jazzy
Again, where in the constitution does it say that "one must be forced to take a government job" by law?

Military conscription is UNAMERICAN!

26 posted on 11/09/2005 2:29:58 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Clemenza

The draft is slavery. Military service is honorable, but compulsory service is very different.


27 posted on 11/09/2005 2:30:34 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
The draft is slavery. Military service is honorable, but compulsory service is very different.

AMEN! My grandfathers VOLUNTEERED to serve in the Army and Navy and I am damn proud of their service, indeed of all the men and women of our armed services. The draft, on the other hand, is deplorable and hopefully will not come back.

28 posted on 11/09/2005 2:32:26 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

A-phucking-men!

Cassius Clay is a draft DODGING, racist, POS.

He has earned the scorn of all thinking Americans.

But of course he is held up now as some sort of superior person.

Because of his RACE he is "untouchable".

Our BROTHERS died while he posed.

You can forget, but I never will.

If you find my comments offensive...KMA, what are you going to do? Send me to Vietnam?

"Medal of Freedom" my Royal Irish A$$.


29 posted on 11/09/2005 2:33:58 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: laconic

Yes, hillbilly is a term that ignorant people have used in describing residents of the home state of both Cassus Clay and me. Both of us were born and raised in Kentucky.

I happen to use the screen name of billhilly, but that is probably too difficult for you to understand.

You give conservatism a bad name. Don't bother to answer. l I don't want to hear your drivel anymore.

Laconic indeed.


30 posted on 11/09/2005 2:34:15 PM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: billhilly

So "ignorant people" use the term "hillbilly"? I didn't use it, you did so I guess that makes you ignorant.


31 posted on 11/09/2005 2:36:59 PM PST by laconic
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To: stevio

He is getting this medal because he is a prominent moslem and the government is keen to show how much we appreciate the contribution of moslems to American society.

Now excuse me while I go and be sick.


32 posted on 11/09/2005 2:40:48 PM PST by protest1
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To: george76

First of all many Freepers might have last hard feelings against Ali for him objecting to going to Vietnam, but Ali has done great work in his fight against his Parkisons and has serviced quietly as its spokemen for years and one thing about Ali he has not turned his sickness into a matter to have a national pity party or called for using the unborn for junk science research unlike some others we know, for that alone I think I could look past his lack of going to Vietnam and Ali has made several trips in the past to visit wounded and sick trips from what I have heard, I think he visited Walter Reed about a year ago if I remember correctly.


33 posted on 11/09/2005 2:45:16 PM PST by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Moose4

As far as I'm concerned his was a valid act of civil disobedience, and I never heard him complain about the consequences.


34 posted on 11/09/2005 2:57:02 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Proudly Christian since 2005)
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To: george76
This is ridiculous. A total PC suck-up, just like putting Rosa Parks on display week before last.
35 posted on 11/09/2005 3:00:01 PM PST by quark
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That's why I called him a draft "resister" instead of a draft "dodger." He didn't flee the country, he took a stand, didn't back down, accepted the consequences for it, and dealt with it. I don't agree with him, but I respect the way he handled it, unlike so many others (liberals especially). I can respect how he handled it even if I don't really respect the beliefs that caused him to do it.

But I still don't understand why he deserves a Presidential Medal of Freedom. Yes, he was an electrifying athlete, a cultural icon, a spokesman for Parkinson's victims. But what did he do for America to deserve such a high civilian honor, besides give us some memorable sports highlights?

Maybe I'm just misinterpreting exactly what one has to do to get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. *shrug* I don't begrudge Ali receiving the praise he's received over the years, I just don't get why he's getting this one particular honor.

}:-)4


36 posted on 11/09/2005 3:31:42 PM PST by Moose4 (Liberals and vampires: Both like death, both hate crosses, and both are bloodsuckers.)
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But I'm just not 100% comfortable with giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to a draft resister. (Notice I didn't say "dodger," in that he did stay in the country and do his time in prison for it.)

He did his time. I respect that. The scum who fled to Canada will never have my respect.

37 posted on 11/09/2005 3:46:48 PM PST by montag813
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To: porkchops 4 mahound
Do you make a distinction between draft dodgers and Civil Disobedience and/or Conscientious Objectors? What Ali did does not fall under the legal definition of 'Draft dodging'.
38 posted on 11/09/2005 3:59:22 PM PST by Borges
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To: Moose4

In which prison was Ali incarcerated, and for how long?


39 posted on 11/09/2005 4:12:37 PM PST by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: SF Republican
I wonder if you have half the conviction of your faith that he has in his?

It depends what you worship SF, as well as how committed you are to it. Manson's "family" sure had conviction. So did those who followed Pol Pot and Ernst Rohm.

Islam is a cult, and a horrific one at that. There is only one God, and allah is not his name.

40 posted on 11/09/2005 4:13:04 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: duckman

Well as you know duckman, Ali failed to duck way to often.


41 posted on 11/09/2005 4:14:06 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: phil1750

He was willing to risk a lot in the name of a principle. It wasn't like it would be today.


42 posted on 11/09/2005 4:15:43 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: porkchops 4 mahound
porkchops

...I guess that's what your momma had to tie around your neck....

43 posted on 11/09/2005 4:15:44 PM PST by paulat
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
I don't know that he ever did that, but he was the ONLY Muslim after 9-11 to come out publicly to denounce that as an act of terror and not a reflection of any religion.

At least that is the memory I have of him then.
44 posted on 11/09/2005 4:16:27 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: paulat

Kiss My A$$.


45 posted on 11/09/2005 4:16:51 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: porkchops 4 mahound
Ali went to jail and did his time. BTW, Robert Heinlein was against conscription, too-and he was hardly what you'd call left wing. And yes, I do think Jane Fonda was a traitor.

BTW, I'm betting that even in his condition Ali could knock you on your ass.

46 posted on 11/09/2005 4:19:16 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

...no, sweetie...sorry to disappoint....


47 posted on 11/09/2005 4:19:29 PM PST by paulat
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

He went to jail rather than ducking the draft to Canada and he came immediately out after 9-11 to denounce that event as a total act of murder and terror and nothing to do with religion.

Say what you will about the guy, I think he does have his principles and guts. This is a real man, despite my total disagreement with his politics and religious beliefs.


48 posted on 11/09/2005 4:19:54 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

Hey, what's the weather up by you at this time like?

We here in California are slipping at night already into the high 50s and we have some heavy misting at this time.

We are very moderate with the weather out here.

Have things already frozen over by you?

I ask because I don't know...


49 posted on 11/09/2005 4:22:28 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: stevio

It's called pandering.


50 posted on 11/09/2005 4:23:07 PM PST by satan (They)
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