Skip to comments.To draft a better DUI law
Posted on 11/09/2005 3:39:41 PM PST by elkfersupper
It is time to separate fact from fiction about our drunken driving laws. It is time to stop deluding ourselves into believing that stricter penalties are the solution. It is also time to start promulgating laws that attack the core problem, including creating a bright line that even an intoxicated person can walk.
Drunken driving is a problem in Massachusetts. It is also a problem in New York, Texas and every other state in the country. Statistically, Massachusetts roads are not the most dangerous in the country. There is also no proof that Massachusetts drivers are more likely to drive impaired.
Perhaps it is time to make it illegal to drink any alcohol and drive a car.
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MADD should be proud.
Well maybe you would be more accepting if it was worded this way :
Perhaps it is time to make it illegal to drive when you have had any alcohol to drink.
I doubt you will but it was worth a try.....
"Drunk driving" isn't nearly the problem it is often made out to be, and the issue would nearly disappear if people were simply prosecuted for violating motor vehicle laws on a regular basis regardless of whether they were sober or drunk at the time.
I think they should just ban cars in Massachussetts. High time those bastards should have to use the mass transit everyone else has to pay for. And think of all the green space they could reclaim!
MADD is out of its mind. And cops angling for a reason to bust anyone walking out of a bar love them for it.
And so are drunk Senators.
"I really don't see how they are suggesting prohibition. I beleive they are talking about driving after drinking."
Think when you Drink...don't drive. BSD (2005)
Drink all you want to...just don't drive. BSD (2005)
Which leaves three choices for folks who drink...
1 - Drink at home only
2 - Live within easy walking distance of a bar
3 - Always have a sober driver handy to pick your sorry butt up and schlep you home (or to your next destination)
The idea of responsible drinking, of course, goes right out the window... but that's no different from what we do with respect to other drugs anyway. Since we're already settled on a police state, might as well have an egalitarian police state.
Perhaps it is time to make it illegal to drink any alcohol and write for a newspaper.
...and perhaps it is time to don your jackboots!
I'm sure you have them all polished.
Agreed on both points. Every time I see this kind of crap I can't help but miss Sam Kinison.
It took me 6yrs to quit drinking, after I had lost my license...I've now been almost 5yrs.
I still do not agree with the DUI laws...and detest MAD, but if I hadn't lost my license...I'd probably still be drinkin.
In downtown Owego, they force the bars to close by not allowing parking between 2 and 5 AM. Effectiveness depends on how swift the police are in getting out to issue tickets.
There you go, being rational again (doesn't pay).
Sure, I like raodside safety checks. They are akin to metal detectors at the airport. OH wait I suppose you oppose them too eh? If not what is the difference?
Good one. Certain city/county governments base their budgets on ticket quotas. While this is going on the bastards from third world nations are creeping across our borders. And nobody gives a sh!t. I'll drink and drive if I want to. Stop this PC crap.
Knda living dangerously to be bringing up sammy in this forum eh?
After all he did like to tell a joke about Jesus being able to use his hands as a whistle.....
I don't drink either, although I didn't have to put up with your punishment.
I just don't like getting caught up in the checkpoints, which are clearly designed to just get us used to the idea.
" I'll drink and drive if I want to."
With an attitude like that I hope you get what it is you are asking for and that you do not hurt anyone but yourself.
BUT I suppose you do agree with terrorists when they say "Ill blow people up if I want to"
Sad....very very SAD.
Sounds good to me. The world would be better off if alcoholic beverages didn't exist. The carnage, both on the roads and in domestic violence, that stems directly from drinking alcohol, is way out of proportion to any benefits it provides. Anyone who can't have a good time without drinking alcohol has a serious problem IMO.
Exactly. Which is why I and most other freedom-loving people despise them.
Tsk, Tsk. Some idiots really believe MADD. Sounds like you too are one of them.
Most of the U.S. I've never even seen public transportation, much less let myself be herded onto it.
Well you take it a bit further in your position than I do.
Taking away the booze isn't how to solve the problems it creates....I think the best way to deal with it is to have valid punishments. Removing driving privliges is a great start, personally I advocate mote time without a license(along with jail time for driving ona suspended or revoked) as opposed to steeper dollar amount fines.
As it pertains to domestic violence, I think the best case there is for people on the recieving end of that to bail, instantly.
OH YES freedom loving people oppose airport security.
I see it as quite a stretch also. I agree with your call on this. My post was directed at elf.....observing a recent thread that we had a similar discussion about this topic.
Hear! Hear! Really pisses me off to hear all the bleeding hearts list all their talking points about this subject. Most of them are probably born again idiots and dumb bastards.
I still fly. I just quit flying commercially in 1992, right after it started getting silly.
And yes, I do oppose the current level of airport security.
Well, they can. But that takes work, and doesn't generate any revenue.
Driving, flying, boating, skating, skiing, swimming, bathing, etc., etc. is (are) also a matter of life and death.
Sammy is popular with some folks on this board.
Others simply think of the man as better off dead.
I prefer to ignore that latter crowd anyway.
Penalties for first offense DUI are serious enough in some states to ruin the life of the offender. Beyond the $3,000 - $5,000 in legal fees and fines, the more serious penalty will be loss of a driver's license for 3-6 months. This can easily lead to loss of employment and even bankruptcy -- for a first offense, without any damage done to people or property. Some states do not permit any driving at all on a suspended license, even driving to work.
The penalty experienced by someone who loses his driving license depends on something irrelevant to the offense: how far the offender lives from his workplace, markets, etc. Someone who walks to work may expereience only minor inconvenience, while someone who drives many miles to work and can't get a ride has a personal disaster, plus a substantial incentive to drive illegally. Isn't the punishment supposed to be proportional to the crime?
I talked to one man who had been arrested for first offense DUI, lost his license, but found himself in a situation where it was necessary to him to drive. He was caught driving, and a judge gave him six months in jail. He lost everything -- house, job, etc. He talked freely about the appeal of suicide. All for drinking a too much at a party and then driving once when he shouldn't have. I had no way to verify his story, but I talked to an attorney who said that it was very plausible.
DUI at high blood alcohol levels is a serious offense that merits penalties that serve as effective deterrents. But first offense DUI should not destroy the offender's life, and necessary driving should be permitted.
Don't leave out making love. Heart attacks do happen. That is, unless we can get them for DFI.
Are you really saying that people who drink and drive are as bad as TERRORISTS? That's like saying kids who play with guns are as bad as murderers.
According to some sources, far more people commit suicide while incarcerated for DWI in this country than are killed in crashes caused by drunk drivers.
Yet another reason to fight this tyrrany.
Sorry you have confused sarcasm with reality. Please get a grip and lets go get a beer.
So he has a habit of screaming "prohibition" on "DUI" threads then ?
elf... don't lecture me on DUI's. Been there, done that, got thr T-shirt. The night I got mine, I deserved it. Thank God I got it before I killed someone, because there's a good chance I may have, I was that drunk. I grew up in a time and place that if the cops caught you driving drunk, all they did was follow you home to be sure you could find it. Now, many moons later, times have changed. Still now, 10 years after my DUI, I either dring at home, or turn my keys over to a DD BEFORE I even start to drink. Not really that hard.
If I'm going to kill someone, I'm going to do it on purpose.
Anyone who can't have a good time while drinking alcohol has a serious problem IMO.
The use of alcoholic beverages is a matter of personal liberty. In case you didn't know it, it's legal...
Of course, from your posts, it is obvious that you disagree with that, so all I can say is start your own country!
Have one on me...
Me too, and I miss it. My hat is off to you, BTW. Better safe than sorry.
I didn't intend to lecture you, just used your comments to point out that this is hysteria, and has gotten completely out of hand.