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Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?
Tech Central Station ^ | 11/10/2005 | Uriah Kriegel

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin

In an election in Pennsylvania this week, voters tossed out eight members of the Pittsburgh school board who wanted Intelligent Design theory to be taught alongside evolution in school. But should Intelligent Design -- the theory that living organisms were created at least in part by an intelligent designer, not by a blind process of evolution by natural selection -- be taught in public schools? In one way, the answer to this question is simple: if it's a scientific theory, it should; if it's not, it shouldn't (on pain of flaunting the Establishment Clause). The question, however, is whether Intelligent Design (ID) is a scientific theory.

Opponents dismiss ID's scientific credentials, claiming that the theory is too implausible to qualify as scientific. But this reasoning is fallacious: a bad scientific theory is still a scientific theory, just as a bad car is still a car. There may be pedagogical reasons to avoid teaching bad scientific theories in our public schools, but there are no legal ones. The Constitution contains no interdiction on teaching bad theories, or for that matter demonstrably false ones. As long as theory is science and not religion, there is no legal barrier to teaching it.

To make their case, opponents of teaching ID must show not just that the theory is bad, but that it's not science. This raises a much more complicated question: What is science? What distinguishes genuinely scientific theories from non-scientific ones?

In one form or another, the question has bothered scientists and philosophers for centuries. But it was given an explicit formulation only in the 1920s, by Karl Popper, the most important 20th century philosopher of science. Popper called it "the problem of demarcation," because it asked how to demarcate scientific research and distinguish it from other modes of thought (respectable though they may be in their own right).

One thing Popper emphasized was that a theory's status as scientific doesn't depend on its plausibility. The great majority of scientific theories turn out to be false, including such works of genius as Newton's mechanics. Conversely, the story of Adam and Eve may well be pure truth, but if it is, it's not scientific truth, but some other kind of truth.

So what is the mark of genuine science? To attack this question, Popper examined several theories he thought were inherently unscientific but had a vague allure of science about them. His favorites were Marx's theory of history and Freud's theory of human behavior. Both attempted to describe the world without appeal to super-natural phenomena, but yet seem fundamentally different from, say, the theory of relativity or the gene theory.

What Popper noticed was that, in both cases, there was no way to prove to proponents of the theory that they were wrong. Suppose Jim's parents moved around a lot when Jim was a child. If Jim also moves around a lot as an adult, the Freudian explains that this was predictable given the patterns of behavior Jim grew up with. If Jim never moves, the Freudian explains -- with equal confidence -- that this was predictable as a reaction to Jim's unpleasant experiences of a rootless childhood. Either way the Freudian has a ready-made answer and cannot be refuted. Likewise, however much history seemed to diverge from Marx's model, Marxists would always introduce new modifications and roundabout excuses for their theory, never allowing it to be proven false.

Popper concluded that the mark of true science was falsifiability: a theory is genuinely scientific only if it's possible in principle to refute it. This may sound paradoxical, since science is about seeking truth, not falsehood. But Popper showed that it was precisely the willingness to be proven false, the critical mindset of being open to the possibility that you're wrong, that makes for progress toward truth.

What scientists do in designing experiments that test their theories is create conditions under which their theory might be proven false. When a theory passes a sufficient number of such tests, the scientific community starts taking it seriously, and ultimately as plausible.

When Einstein came up with the theory of relativity, the first thing he did was to make a concrete prediction: he predicted that a certain planet must exist in such-and-such a place even though it had never been observed before. If it turned out that the planet did not exist, his theory would be refuted. In 1919, 14 years after the advent of Special Relativity, the planet was discovered exactly where he said. The theory survived the test. But the possibility of failing a test -- the willingness to put the theory up for refutation -- was what made it a scientific theory in the first place.

To win in the game of science, a theory must be submitted to many tests and survive all of them without being falsified. But to be even allowed into the game, the theory must be falsifiable in principle: there must be a conceivable experiment that would prove it false.

If we examine ID in this light, it becomes pretty clear that the theory isn't scientific. It is impossible to refute ID, because if an animal shows one characteristic, IDers can explain that the intelligent designer made it this way, and if the animal shows the opposite characteristic, IDers can explain with equal confidence that the designer made it that way. For that matter, it is fully consistent with ID that the supreme intelligence designed the world to evolve according to Darwin's laws of natural selection. Given this, there is no conceivable experiment that can prove ID false.

It is sometimes complained that IDers resemble the Marxist historians who always found a way to modify and reframe their theory so it evades any possible falsification, never offering an experimental procedure by which ID could in principle be falsified. To my mind, this complaint is warranted indeed. But the primary problem is not with the intellectual honesty of IDers, but with the nature of their theory. The theory simply cannot be fashioned to make any potentially falsified predictions, and therefore cannot earn entry into the game of science.

None of this suggests that ID is in fact false. For all I've said, it may well be pure truth. But if it is, it wouldn't be scientific truth, because it isn't scientific at all. As such, we shouldn't allow it into our science classrooms. At least that's what the Constitution says.

The writer teaches philosophy at the University of Arizona.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evilution; evolution; goddoodit; id; idiocy; ignoranceisstrength; monkeygod; popper; science; theory
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To: Just mythoughts
 
"Ah Shawnee Mission, well you spend some time on the Darwin worshiping threads and you will find you live in one of the most reviled places upon this earth by the evolutionists."

Johnson County is a "reviled" place?

 

 

61 posted on 11/10/2005 7:01:41 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (Facts are neither debatable nor open to "I have a right to this opinion" nonsense.)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Depends on which side of Sprintville you live....


62 posted on 11/10/2005 7:03:38 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: DaveLoneRanger
" That's strange. I don't see anyone out there trying to disprove evolution except creationists which are so often decried."

Every time someone unearths a fossil it is another possible falsification of evolution.

"You cannot prove that we came from a massive bang 4.6 billion years ago (or did they jack up the age of the earth again? I keep losing track)..."

The BB happened about 15 billion years ago; this has been the accepted number for quite a while. 4.6 billion years is the age of the Earth, which was formed long after the BB.

Your mix up of the BB and the formation of the Earth aside, there is evidence that points to their old age. We can't prove it 100%, but then again we can't do that with any theory in science. Creation by God on the other hand, can never be proved or disproved; there is no way to gather physical evidence for or against. It can never be a scientific theory until that happens.

" So no, you cannot prove those assumptions. You cannot necessarily disprove them either."

While we can't prove or disprove God's creating the world scientifically, we CAN gather evidence against certain interpretations of creation, such as YEC. That the earth is only thousands of years old is no longer tenable scientifically.

"The evidence of evolution is frequently inconsistent, and constantly being changed as new observations are made."

The main thrust of evolutionary theory has not changed much since Darwin. That evolution is modified to account for new data is a plus, not a negative. It's what science does.

"Evidence interpreted according to the creationist model fits."

Not the young earth assertions, nor the fixity of species, nor the arguments against common descent. Whenever Creationists make specific stands about biology and geology, they open themselves up to critique by the evidence. They have not passed that test. That's why they switched to ID; it's nebulous enough to not make any testable assertions. It can hoodwink a higher sort of buffoon.
63 posted on 11/10/2005 7:26:00 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: JCEccles
Query: Do Darwinists become closed-minded zealots and fools by education and training, or are these inborn traits?

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I would guess it's a combination of the two.

65 posted on 11/10/2005 7:35:52 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wallcrawlr
My whole issue with evo has nothing to do with ID or any religion. Take all religion and ID out of the equation, then cosmo-evo is still a weak description.

Wolf
66 posted on 11/10/2005 7:40:19 AM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Just mythoughts

Thanks for the ping!


67 posted on 11/10/2005 7:43:33 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: DaveLoneRanger
" Then why is it interpreted as evolutionary proof, even when the facts point the opposite direction?"

What fossils have gone against evolution?

" My mistake. So hard to keep these differing and changing evolution views straight."

Since the BB isn't evolution, it would do you good to read a book on cosmology. And these figures have been essentially the same for decades. Can't keep up with 30 year old info?

"My point was that evolution too rests on an unproven premise. If you read what I wrote, we can prove neither one, only examine the results for indications either way."

And evolution wins hands down.

"According to your interpretations based on your preconceived notions, and ignoring for the time being that there is evidence against old age."

According to the facts. There is no evidence for a young earth.

"If evolution is continually evolving, then how do you know the things you insist are true today will not be dramatically proven false tomorrow? Two generations from now, you will probably not even recognize the theory that you believe today."

Maybe. If it changes though, it will be because of new evidence. Creationism can never change because it refuses to consider the evidence from the physical world. Any belief system that is not open to change cannot be science.

"Biology and geology? Have at 'em, mate."

I meant real geology and biology.

" You mean a higher baboon, don't you? Which is what evolutionists insist we're all higher forms of?"

Nobody says we descended from baboons. Stop making a buffoon of yourself.

"Lumping Intelligent Design together with Creationism seems to make you think you've already won the battle because likening the two instantly wins the victory in your mind. I would think you ought to be able to distinguish the two."

I already have. ID appeals to a higher sort of buffoon.
68 posted on 11/10/2005 7:51:14 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Nicholas Conradin
Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?

One or the other, yeah.

69 posted on 11/10/2005 7:59:20 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Your mix up of the BB and the formation of the Earth aside...

A mixup that demonstrates massive, mind boggling ignorance. This is from a guy who pontificates on the failures of science.

70 posted on 11/10/2005 8:00:20 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Just mythoughts
At some level I don't like idiots in ivory towers telling me what I have to believe and teach my children. I read through 3/4 of "Origin of Species" when I was 14. OK, I get it. I can explain how the theory works. That's all I need to do. (Finches, are, to me, a really boring subject, by the way.)

If Darwin's theory is so defensible why worry about competing theory? How has Darwinism been used by social scientists? History would seem to teach that what has been will be again. A truely consistent materialistic viewpoint could actually support the rise of another Hitler. His "Konzentraionsanlager" were of course run by Doctors and engineers. He mobilized bhe German scientific apparatus in support of his racial theories. They, of course, appreciated his support and returned it.

Maybe we should have a little more free thinking in education land and challenge the forces of convention. If nothing else we should do this because it's fun to irritate the conformists in the NEA and the parrots of the MSM.
71 posted on 11/10/2005 8:01:16 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission (Kansas: wheat, beef, oil, guns, & basketball. How much more do you really need?)
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To: SalukiLawyer; Pete from Shawnee Mission
Nothing is actually proved in the way it might be in physics or chemistry.

You seem to think that the laws and theories of physics and chemistry are more provable than those in biology. Please explain how physics or chemistry proves something. Give a specific example of such a real world proof with full analytical rigour applying to any physical or chemical law or theory of your choice......

I'll wait. I've seen your contention made many times by those who wish to deny the theory of evolution (or to by some mysterious process promote ID to being on equal status with ToE), and when I ask this question the response has been chirping crickets, every time.

72 posted on 11/10/2005 8:04:37 AM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
When Einstein came up with the theory of relativity, the first thing he did was to make a concrete prediction: he predicted that a certain planet must exist in such-and-such a place even though it had never been observed before. If it turned out that the planet did not exist, his theory would be refuted. In 1919, 14 years after the advent of Special Relativity, the planet was discovered exactly where he said. The theory survived the test. But the possibility of failing a test -- the willingness to put the theory up for refutation -- was what made it a scientific theory in the first place.

This sounds like a confusion of separate incidents in science. Einstein did not use relativity to predict Pluto. He used relativity to predict the bending of starlight near the Sun. What happened in 1919 were observations of a solar eclipse by Sir Arthur Eddington which confirmed the shifting of apparent position of stars near the sun (which could only be observed during such an eclipse).

Pluto's existence was indeed foretold by certain perturbations in the orbit of Neptune. (Not by Einstein, IIRC, however.) It and its moon Charon were eventually found about where the predicted object should have been. There's a hitch, though. The Pluto-Charon system isn't massive enough to have caused the perturbations used to predict it in the first place. Either those observations were spurious or there was something else out there.

73 posted on 11/10/2005 8:06:14 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro
Pluto's existence was indeed foretold by certain perturbations in the orbit of Neptune. (Not by Einstein, IIRC, however.) It and its moon Charon were eventually found about where the predicted object should have been. There's a hitch, though. The Pluto-Charon system isn't massive enough to have caused the perturbations used to predict it in the first place. Either those observations were spurious or there was something else out there.

It was Lowell who predicted Pluto in 1915, but finding it fairly close to his predicted position was actually pure luck, because it isn't what causes Neptune's orbital perturbation (I think it isn't large enough); there is something else out there, as yet undiscovered.

Einstein's successful prediction was of the precession of the perihelion of Mercury's orbit, due to the distortion of space by the sun's gravitional field.

74 posted on 11/10/2005 8:13:29 AM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: SalukiLawyer

Kind of odd, when you think about it, to take one's handle from a Kansas postal district...

So, by your name you are legal representative to gazelle hounds, or an alumni of SIU. Are you also a transplant from the sucker state?


75 posted on 11/10/2005 8:16:48 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: VadeRetro
This sounds like a confusion of separate incidents in science. [snip]

It think the author is confusing the prediction of the precession of Mercury's perihelion with some sort of test of SR. He's got it all mixed up. You're right about the bending of starlight being the falsification test of GR.

It's too bad; the author's analysis of Popper and his conclusions re: ID are spot on. Oh, well, that's what one gets when one lets a philosophy nerd write an article.

76 posted on 11/10/2005 8:17:00 AM PST by longshadow
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
EvolutionPing
A pro-evolution science list with over 320 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
Check out The List-O-Links. These two links will assist beginners:
But it's "just a theory" and How to argue against a scientific theory.

77 posted on 11/10/2005 8:18:23 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Reality is a harsh mistress. No rationality, no mercy)
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To: Thatcherite
A Web Page on the Mathematical Discovery of Planets. Yes, it's all Newtonian mechanics. No Einstein.
78 posted on 11/10/2005 8:19:08 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: longshadow; Thatcherite
The precession of Mercury's perihelion was a success for relativity, but that success lay in explaining a known and puzzling phenomenon, not in predicting it.
79 posted on 11/10/2005 8:20:42 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: longshadow; VadeRetro
It think the author is confusing the prediction of the precession of Mercury's perihelion with some sort of test of SR. He's got it all mixed up. You're right about the bending of starlight being the falsification test of GR.

Sounds like I'm confused too in what I thought. I think relativity is one of those things that should probably be left to professionals. I just remembered another successful prediction; don't the clocks on the shuttle run slow enough for the difference to be detectable by the time it lands after a long flight? I'm sure I read it somewhere (so it must be true). I think it was in Relativities Chapter 3 Verses 4-6.

80 posted on 11/10/2005 8:22:43 AM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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