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Generational war is brewing
Tracey Press ^ | 11/10/05 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 11/10/2005 1:22:46 PM PST by qam1

America should prepare for a big fat war between the generations. It’s going to be ugly.

On one side is the baby boom generation, which retires and claims a ton of government benefits. On the other are younger workers, forced to fund those benefits plus pay the bills their elders left them.

When the war comes, the Federal Reserve chairman will have to be a general. That person will likely be Bush nominee Ben Bernanke. The question is, for which side will he fight?

Outgoing Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan tried to represent both sides. He supported the Bush tax cuts.

This gave comfort to today’s taxpayers, who chose not to charge themselves for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the new Medicare drug benefit and the quarter-billion-dollar bridge to nowhere.

Last spring, Greenspan did service for the other side. “I fear that we may have already committed more physical resources to the baby boom generation in its retirement years than our economy has the capacity to deliver,” he said.

One solution would be to ramp-up means-testing for Medicare, the health insurance plan for the elderly. Greenspan would reconfigure the program “to be relatively generous to the poor and stingy to the rich.”

The political reality is that the baby boom generation expects to see the nice government handouts its retired parents enjoyed, and then some. Younger workers expect to be taxed at today’s lower rates. One group will be very disappointed — or perhaps both groups — because there is no way the Candyland economics of today can go on.

The whole alarming future is nicely mapped out in a book, “The Coming Generational Storm,” by Boston University economist Laurence Kotlikoff and Scott Burns, a personal-finance columnist at The Dallas Morning News.

Kotlikoff and Burns clearly sympathize with younger Americans and Americans not yet born, who will be paying both our bills and their own. “Does it feel better,” the authors write, “if those unknown victims of our rapacity are someone else’s children and the children of those children and the children of those children of those children?”

Sounds like war to me. Kotlikoff and Burns try to be meticulously nonpartisan, but I won’t. Though the irresponsible policymaking spanned decades, today’s mad deficits rush us closer to disaster. Democrats are not shy about pushing for retiree benefits, but at least they consider raising taxes to pay for them. Not the current crowd, whose spend-and-borrow strategy is the 1919 Versailles Treaty of this-century America: an unstable setup that guarantees future conflict.

The scam is that the tax cuts are not really wiping the nation’s slate clean of tax obligations. When spending exceeds tax revenues, the difference must be borrowed. That debt does not disappear. It gets paid for, with interest, by someone’s taxes. So the Bush cuts simply move the taxes from one generation of shoulders to another.

Bernanke would certainly come to the Fed job with good credentials. Head of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, he formerly chaired the Princeton economics department. Bernanke seems OK, but other candidates were more upfront about deficits.

One was Martin Feldstein, President Ronald Reagan’s top economic adviser. Feldstein drew flak for criticizing the Reagan deficits. The Bush White House wouldn’t want to hear that kind of thing. Anyway, there’s no need to worry about making ends meet when you can use the next generation’s credit card.

Another Republican contender for the Fed job was Larry Lindsey. He was fired as a Bush adviser in 2002, after predicting that the war in Iraq would cost up to $200 billion, a figure already passed. Lindsey did not understand: One simply does not talk price in the Bush administration.

Given the president’s tendency to give top jobs to those closest, we can give thanks that he did not nominate his banker brother. Neil Bush played a major role in the Silverado Savings & Loan fiasco of the 1980s, which cost taxpayers $1 billion.

Or perhaps the president was doing the big-brotherly thing in protecting Neil from a job sure to be filled with strife.

The person who heads the Fed in the next decade will be trying to steer the nation through the perfect economic storm. Good luck to the new chairman, and to all the generations.


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KEYWORDS: babyboomers; catfightingasses; generationalwar; generationgap; genx; greedygeezers
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To: qam1

There is no doubt the baby boom generation will screw us when they get the chance. They screwed most of us by not giving us two-parent, loving, stable homes...aborting our brothers and sisters.....I could go on and on and on....


51 posted on 11/10/2005 2:11:45 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: familyop
We baby boomers reared too many kids without fathers out of our selfishness. It will come back to bite us.

It is nice to see a baby boomer admit it.....

52 posted on 11/10/2005 2:12:43 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: nicolezmomma

why 100 miles?


53 posted on 11/10/2005 2:13:42 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: yellowdoghunter

I see you are here now...You need to know this is a falsehood, WOMEN have been aborting babies long before it was legal....just cause you did not hear of it on MSM did not mean it wasn't happening.


54 posted on 11/10/2005 2:13:48 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: qam1
This reminds me of the current crisis GM and other automakers are suffering. They promised HUGE retirement benefits to their workers in order to cut a contract with the Union during good economic times. Now they're being forced to pay the piper(s). Health care bennies are the first to get cut -- my father, a GM retiree, is going to get creamed by the deductable -- because they catered to the Union THEN and didn't bother to contain actual costs.

Seniors traditionally are the voters, NOT the younger generations. I'm an Older X'er (born 1965) and fully expect to be screwed over by the feds in the next few years.

55 posted on 11/10/2005 2:13:48 PM PST by Kieri
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To: qam1
America should prepare for a big fat war between the generations. It’s going to be ugly.

This has been going on since the '30's, when our grandparents and great-grandparents voted to take money from our parents.

I think the writer isn't as familiar with the numbers as he pretends. If Bill Gates organized each of the 9 million millionaires in the US to give $1 million to the US treasury, this would more than pay off our $7 trillion growing national debt. Bill Gates said he doesn't think the rich pay enough taxes.

Plus the US just lost $7-8 trillion on 9/11. I don't remember seeing people lining up at the soup kitchens. The economy barely blinked.

56 posted on 11/10/2005 2:15:01 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: yldstrk
My generation, which is just turning 50, is hard-charging, hard working and wants those younger people to get off their butts and TRY to work as long and as hard as we will...

That is kinda hard to do when many of these children come from drug-addicted, broken, abusive families (ya know that sexual revolution thing you guys so greatly gave us)....alot of these kids don't know how to be an adult....never had anyone to teach them..

It would also have helped if half of our generation had not been aborted.

57 posted on 11/10/2005 2:17:04 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: familyop

True and also NOT True..Women just decided they were not going to be forced to stay in abusive marraiges with men like there mothers HAD TOO! If your husband beat you in the 40's and you went home to your Mother's house, they sent you back to your husband and said:

*Look you have children, stay with your husband he supports you*


58 posted on 11/10/2005 2:17:33 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: laney

I know that....that is NOT my point. My point is that your generation made it fashionable. (NOT you in particular)


59 posted on 11/10/2005 2:17:51 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Logophile

First, it's YOUR debt to.
As a conservative, if you make a bill, you pay it. You don't get to run out on a bill.

I do agree with your lack of faith in government and I would say there needs to be a law directing estate taxes (which already exist) toward payment of the national debt, because if we don't do that, the government will have a spending fest. We agree on that point.


60 posted on 11/10/2005 2:18:02 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BikerNYC
That's not uncommon. Kids often think they have nothing in common with their parents.

Some rather smart people agree with me:

They also attempt to link Millennials to the G.I. generation, suggesting that "hero generations" come in cycles.

This generation really is different. We are literally sick unto death of the overpowering nihilism of our parents. We prefer the can-do attitude of the generation that won WW2. This generation will do all it can to fix the mess that the baby boomers made. If the boomers want to come along and help, they can. If not, then they need to get back and don't touch anything.
61 posted on 11/10/2005 2:19:04 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: qam1

Yes it will get ugly. In addition to what is noted here, are the following additional considerations. By and large, the Chuckie Schumer, Bahbwa Bock-suh, Dick "H" Durban branch of extreme quasi Communistic "liberalism" is endemic to the Boomers. Certainly, there are factions of it in other generations, but the Boomers are the primary breeding ground. Meanwhile, again, from a broad brush stroke perspective, the current breeding ground of all other polity is essentially other generations besides the Boomers. So, something like 20 years from now, the population will be a skewed distribution skewed toward a set of old, cranky, government beneficiary, fixed or slowly growing income, Leftist Boomers. The rest of us will be overtaxed, increasginly resentful, too busy to politically organize and lobby, Right thinking people in the prime of life. Either this thing will break politically sometime before 20 years from now, or, somewhat later than 20 years from now when the peak of the Boomers start to die out, it will begin to slowly right itself. With either scenario, I reckon there will follow 50 - 100 years of time spent undoing at least the damage since the 1960s and, best case, the damage since the New Deal was put in place.


62 posted on 11/10/2005 2:20:16 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: JamesP81
This generation really is different.

I can tell you are sincere and have very good intentions, but, and with all due respect, "that's what they all say."

How have your own parents exhibited this "overpowering nihilism" that you see in their generation?
63 posted on 11/10/2005 2:23:14 PM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: qam1

The Wooden Bowl


A frail old man went to live with his son, daughter-in-law, and four-year-old grandson. The old man's hands trembled, his eyesight was blurred, and his step faltered. The family ate together at the table. But the elderly grandfather's shaky hands and failing sight made eating difficult. Peas rolled off his spoon onto the floor. When he grasped the glass, milk spilled on the tablecloth. The son and daughter-in-law became irritated with the mess.

"We must do something about Grandfather," said the son, "I've had enough of his spilled milk, noisy eating, and food on the floor." So the husband and wife set a small table in the corner. There, Grandfather ate alone while the rest of the family enjoyed dinner. Since Grandfather had broken a dish or two, his food was served in a wooden bowl. When the family glanced in Grandfather's direction, sometimes he had a tear in his eye as he sat alone. Still, the only words the couple had for him were sharp admonitions when he dropped a fork or spilled food.

The four-year old watched it all in silence. One evening before supper, the father noticed his son playing with scraps on the floor. He asked the child sweetly, " What are you making?" Just as sweetly, the boy responded, "Oh, I am making a little bowl for you and Mama to eat your food when I grow up".

The words so struck the parents that they were speechless. The tears started to stream down their cheeks. Though no word was spoken, both knew what must be done. That evening the husband took Grandfather's hand and gently led him back to the family table. For the remainder of his days he ate every meal with the family. And for some reason, neither husband nor wife seemed to care any longer when a fork was dropped, milk spilled, or the tablecloth soiled.


64 posted on 11/10/2005 2:24:25 PM PST by ex-snook (Vote gridlock for the most conservative government)
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To: patton

You are not really a true Boomer. You're too young. You (and I) were born past the peak birth years. I hate to break it to you, but you are going to be one of the ones paying for the Summer Of Love crowd - real soon!


65 posted on 11/10/2005 2:25:06 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: JamesP81
This generation really is different. We are literally sick unto death of the overpowering nihilism of our parents. We prefer the can-do attitude of the generation that won WW2. This generation will do all it can to fix the mess that the baby boomers made. If the boomers want to come along and help, they can. If not, then they need to get back and don't touch anything.

Ditto....I see it all around me....people my age....especially restoring the family....in my church it is so exciting to see young families...together...raising their children.

66 posted on 11/10/2005 2:25:31 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yldstrk

I am ten years your junior and would just love to compare hours worked per week. Heck, I'd even want to compare hours worked to date since birth!


67 posted on 11/10/2005 2:27:09 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Mugwump

Soilent Green?


68 posted on 11/10/2005 2:28:07 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: jasoncann

It won't happen until the Boomers born during the peak years (mid 1950s) start to die out in large numbers. So long as they are voting (and you know it will be voting according to the Communistic AARP line) Social Security will be untouchable.


69 posted on 11/10/2005 2:28:55 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: yellowdoghunter

What is your point???I am definetly not a feminist, but I can tell you this when I graduated high school, I wanted to go to college get a education, I DID NOT want to get married and have children right away like my mother's generation did.

I wanted to live out on my own be responsible for my own bills, date who I wanted...


70 posted on 11/10/2005 2:29:11 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: A CA Guy

Here's a radical idea... make the boomers pay for their own damn retirements with all that capital they've had their entire lifetimes to build, and stop stealing from their children and their childrens' children and the generations beyond that.

And the ones who can't afford to? Let other boomers support them.


71 posted on 11/10/2005 2:29:30 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: ex-snook
I would love to know when putting our elders in nursing homes became the thing to do. I know they didn't used to do that but it seems the baby boom generation has no problem carting grandma or grandpa off to a nursing home.

Excellent post, BTW

72 posted on 11/10/2005 2:29:40 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: BikerNYC
I can tell you are sincere and have very good intentions, but, and with all due respect, "that's what they all say."

This attitude right here is what made Gen Y decide that the boomers and Gen X were all full left wing nihilist crap. We got tired of hearing it. They can keep repeating this mantra to us all they want, but they might as well save their breath. No one's listening anymore.

How have your own parents exhibited this "overpowering nihilism" that you see in their generation?

I don't generally wash the dirty family laundry in public. Suffice it to say, however, I have seen it exhibited in my mom and my dad, and most of the men my mother remarried after she divorced my father. My parents did, however, warn me against all the mistakes they made that caused them to be the way they are. For that alone they are outstanding parents.
73 posted on 11/10/2005 2:30:31 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: qam1

On CNBC today, there was a segment on a conference of financial planners in Boca Raton that reported the savings rate of the US is now at -0%! Those participating can't believe that only 1/3 of Boomers have saved enough money for retirement, and they are suggesting that this group will have to keep working until they die. Somehow I can't see that. They'll be voting to take the money for their retirement goodies from the next generation, whom they decimated with abortion, through ever higher taxes. Yes, that is a recipe for generational warfare, but the geezers have the numbers to turn this into a socialist mess such as France and Germany are now.


74 posted on 11/10/2005 2:31:58 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: thoughtomator

It is true that SS was to be 10% of your retirement...not THE retirement.

As far as the national debt, just direct the current estate tax to only go to reducing debt...by a new law.


75 posted on 11/10/2005 2:32:07 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: JamesP81

I was born in '72 and feel the same way. I identify a lot more with my grandfather than with either of my parents (or any other boomer relatives). Seems that the WW2 generation had its priorities in order, but sadly their success enabled the next generation to have all the wrong priorities and suffer few consequences.


76 posted on 11/10/2005 2:32:08 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: laney
when I graduated high school, I wanted to go to college get a education, I DID NOT want to get married and have children right away like my mother's generation did. I wanted to live out on my own be responsible for my own bills, date who I wanted...

See all the I's in your statement....that is what was wrong and what continues to be wrong with the baby boomer generation. Me, me, me, I, I, I,

77 posted on 11/10/2005 2:32:10 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: thoughtomator

They've supported euthenasia for their parents and abortion for their grandchildren and meism for their own children. Quite a predicament.


78 posted on 11/10/2005 2:32:26 PM PST by petitfour
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

RE: This has been going on since the '30's, when our grandparents and great-grandparents voted to take money from our parents.

They thought they were taking money from a small group of "fat cats" who reputedly were not strongly affected by the Depression. The Communist propaganda at the time made people hate the rich and made them blame the Depression on "capitalism." Hey, who wrote that book? ;)


79 posted on 11/10/2005 2:33:06 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: JamesP81

I see younger kids all the time who are far more conservative than their parents. What a fantastic trend.


80 posted on 11/10/2005 2:34:36 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: thoughtomator
I was born in '72 and feel the same way. I identify a lot more with my grandfather than with either of my parents (or any other boomer relatives). Seems that the WW2 generation had its priorities in order, but sadly their success enabled the next generation to have all the wrong priorities and suffer few consequences.

Ditto.....Thank God for the WW2 generation that was around long enough to tell us Gen-X'ers how things should be and not to make the same mistakes our parents made.

81 posted on 11/10/2005 2:35:10 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

You darn right it was about *Me* I saw to many women friends my mother had that when they reached there Middle Age years around 50 looking like 70, what did there husbands do???? LEFT the younger woman syndrome and what did these Mid-Life women do? CRY AND CRY because they had no job skills, did not know how to manage a bank account they were totally LOST..I said I again *I* will never ever let anyone put me in that position...


82 posted on 11/10/2005 2:36:19 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: qam1; All
Has anyone checked out the new planned senior living accomodations that will be available for baby boomers? :-)


83 posted on 11/10/2005 2:36:41 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: thoughtomator
I see younger kids all the time who are far more conservative than their parents. What a fantastic trend.

I do to, it is amazing and great. We all gather for a Holiday or what-have-you....the younger generation's families are all intact....the baby boomer families all have X's and step-children, etc.....

84 posted on 11/10/2005 2:37:04 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: redgolum

That incentive is reduced by a lot when you consider that there aren't enough workers in the following generations to replace the boomers at the rate they are expected to retire. Where I am there is a major effort to retain boomers for as long as they're willing to work.


85 posted on 11/10/2005 2:37:45 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: laney
There is nothing wrong in getting an education....but if you decide to work full-time...do not have children...simply as that. Of course, the 60's generation wanted it ALL....as we see, that did not work out to well.

Listen, I have nothing against you, for you are a fellow Freeper....I just have great disdain for the baby boomer generation.

86 posted on 11/10/2005 2:39:03 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: thoughtomator

I wish I knew my grandparents better. They were not quite in the WW2 winning generation, were every so slightly older (in their 30s during the 1930s). But for example my paternal grandma was a civil defense warden and helped out with air raid drills and the like. She was also sort of a Rosie Riveter during the peak of the War and my grampa was building tanks. They did not live past their 70s and I simply was too young to know them in any meaningful way. I miss them dearly.


87 posted on 11/10/2005 2:41:00 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD; yldstrk
and would just love to compare hours worked per week.

I bet I would blow you away. And from birth? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

(Psssttt... I am close to 50 as well)

88 posted on 11/10/2005 2:41:04 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: A CA Guy; thoughtomator; All

For all of you knocking Baby Boomers, YOU all should know it was the best time to grow up, we did not have computers we had REAL LIVE friends to talk too... We knew how to fix our own bikes, we did not have *FAT KIDS* running around, boys knew how to fix there cars, they had inventive minds and took chances NO OTHER GENERATION HAS...


89 posted on 11/10/2005 2:41:21 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: yellowdoghunter
There is no doubt the baby boom generation will screw us when they get the chance. They screwed most of us by not giving us two-parent, loving, stable homes...aborting our brothers and sisters.....I could go on and on and on....

Oh, boo-hoo, poor little you.

Look, children are not reared by a "generation"; they are reared by their parents. If your parents failed to provide you a loving, stable home with the brothers and sisters you desired, blame them.

Or better yet, make sure you do better for your children.

90 posted on 11/10/2005 2:42:02 PM PST by Logophile
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To: laney; yellowdoghunter
The real issue is not fashion but rather the industrialization of abortion, a culture where people have economic incentives to try and convince others to abort their children and to make it as easy as possible. (There are some circumstances where an abortion can be justified, but those constitute maybe 4% of the number performed.) And on top of that is the promotion of degenerate, perverted, and deviant cultures which depend on sacramental abortion to exist on a mass scale - all of which are gravely damaging to the nation itself.
91 posted on 11/10/2005 2:43:08 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: yellowdoghunter

It is to bad that you really do not know the generation of 41 to 60 year olds..BABY BOOMERS...


92 posted on 11/10/2005 2:43:43 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Ditto....I see it all around me....people my age....especially restoring the family....in my church it is so exciting to see young families...together...raising their children.

I completely agree. Of all of the families in my neighborhood I can only think of one where both husband and wife work; and they are in the process of divorce. Each of the rest of the families are stay-at-home mom families. My wife knows just about all of the other moms in the neighborhood and spends a great deal of time with them letting the children play. It's a scene straight out of the 50's.

93 posted on 11/10/2005 2:43:56 PM PST by T.Smith
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To: laney
Come on now.....you had bikes and real live friends.....are you trying to say that is better than saving the world from facism? Are you really trying to say that is better than spreading freedom around the world?

You really can't mean that post.....it may have been a "fun" time growing up...all the drugs, sex, and rock-n-roll....but please......

94 posted on 11/10/2005 2:44:55 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Logophile
poor little you.

I with you here. All the whining on this thread I see about about how our perfect little generation will be screwed is just that.

95 posted on 11/10/2005 2:45:38 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: qam1
There are two things that will help enable the U.S. to prolong this "Candyland" economy, both of which have been discussed here on FR in various contexts before:

1. Massive immigration, coupled with an increasingly regressive system of taxation, under which our lower and middle classes will pay an increasing share of our tax burden even if they never know it -- through hidden taxes on tobacco, alcohol, fuel, phone service, etc.

2. Understatement of inflation on the part of the U.S. government, which over the long term will result in diminishing standards of living for anyone collecting pension or medical benefits tied to the consumer price index.

96 posted on 11/10/2005 2:45:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: thoughtomator

Every generation has had it's problems and sure ABORTION on demand has gone out of control, but to blame a entire generation is ridiculous....


97 posted on 11/10/2005 2:46:38 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: Logophile
If your parents failed to provide you a loving, stable home with the brothers and sisters you desired, blame them.

I wasn't necessarily speaking of me....but my generation as a whole and others I know....it really is the Fatherless Generation (Gen X'ers).

Or better yet, make sure you do better for your children.

That is a given.

98 posted on 11/10/2005 2:46:39 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Hey, wait a minute, I'm a babyboomer, my husband and I both worked, he's retired and I'm retiring soon, and we saved and we are not expecting any help from the government and never have.

We had no kids, because we chose not to, we both decided we would not be good parents. Our house has been paid for for over 20 years, we have no debt, and we pay our taxes when they are due.... so ease up on babyboomers, we're not all bad.
99 posted on 11/10/2005 2:47:06 PM PST by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (Close the borders.....)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Are you really trying to say that is better than spreading freedom around the world?

Ever hear of the Cold War and the folks who busted their a$$ to keep you free so you could sit hear and whine about them?

100 posted on 11/10/2005 2:47:37 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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