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Generational war is brewing
Tracey Press ^ | 11/10/05 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 11/10/2005 1:22:46 PM PST by qam1

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To: Shalom Israel
Re: your tagline

Some of us can decide to become Socialists at 62. :)

151 posted on 11/10/2005 3:36:50 PM PST by suzyjaruki ("What do you seek?")
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To: laney
You mean the drug induced hippies who ran naked through woodstock? Or the over the hill code pinkos and their ilk who have protest scars from Vietnam?

No Thanks, I'll take the Greatest Generation, Gen X and Gen Y. They live in the real world. (It really isn't all about you).

Cheers,
CSG

(The son of some very late Greatest Generation'ers)

152 posted on 11/10/2005 3:37:39 PM PST by CompSciGuy ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill)
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To: Shalom Israel

Never said at all what you just wrote, never hated men either, just did not want to marry every one I was with...

I did not avoid marraige, but I married when I felt it was right or wrong my choice...

I also had a child out of wedlock when the person I was with demanded I have an abortion, but I didn't and supported my child without welfare or child support.

This is a feminist?


153 posted on 11/10/2005 3:37:52 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: DaGman
I knew a helluva lot of WWII vets that once would take great exception at that statement. In fact, a statement like that to them would be very hazardous to your health. I know a few now in their 80's that can still jeopardize your health. I know a lot of Boomers that would take the same actions. Keep it to yourself.

If not "socialist" what would you call someone who expects the government (and other taxpayers)to pay for them in their old age?

155 posted on 11/10/2005 3:39:17 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: CompSciGuy

Pleese..Gen xer and Gen Y is about what??????? spoiled, coddled, whiney,computer generation.


156 posted on 11/10/2005 3:39:39 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: laney
Pleese..Gen xer and Gen Y is about what

Per capita, the hardest working generation in America's history, based on average hours worked.

Surprised?

157 posted on 11/10/2005 3:41:06 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: ex-snook

bla bla bla..............


158 posted on 11/10/2005 3:41:13 PM PST by postaldave (i've given up on being mad in exchange for bitter sarcasm.)
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To: Palisades

I guess I should let my dad know this who walked in the snow and worked hard manual labor for 12 hours a day.
As he loves to tell me..LOL

It's easy to work 15 hrs a day sitting on a chair in front of a computer screen while typing away..


160 posted on 11/10/2005 3:44:21 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: laney
Never said at all what you just wrote, never hated men either, just did not want to marry every one I was with... I did not avoid marraige, but I married when I felt it was right or wrong my choice...

Pardon me, but you just finished explaining that women were trapped in marriage and then dumped for younger models, and that you'd never let some [man] do that to you. As if that were the typical married experience in the 50's. And now you claim that you have no anti-male angst. Doesn't sound particularly credible.

As for the "sexual libertinism" part, that was my translation of your "date who *I* wanted..." I challenge you to dispute my translation.

I also had a child out of wedlock...

...whoops, too late. I guess I did read you right.

when the person I was with demanded I have an abortion, but I didn't and supported my child without welfare or child support. This is a feminist?

Absolutely. Anti-male angst (of which you've shown plenty), avoidance of marriage, and sexual libertinism are the heart and soul of feminism.

161 posted on 11/10/2005 3:44:22 PM PST by Shalom Israel (We all turn socialist at 65. Who YOU lookin' at?)
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To: RadioAstronomer; wtc911

Thanks to you both for your kind comments...

Sometime next year, me and the hubby are going to close up the house, jump into the RV, and just drive until we drop dead...we do plan to return home to our house, from time to time to rest, but we do plan to spend most of our time in the Rv, seeing the USA, and we also plan to visit every microbrewery and brewpub that we can find(we live in the Pacific Northwest, so it may take some time, before we sample all of them in Washington, Oregon and California)...

Beer tasting our way across America, seeing the sights and hearing the sounds and meeting the people in America, and all done at our own speed and in our own leisure time, is what we plan...

My son says, "have a grand time", spend all your money, I want you two to die penniless"...You see, we raised him well enough to provide for himself, and he believes it would be horrible for us to die, with a big bank account to pass along to him...he wants nothing to do with it...

Life is grand...


162 posted on 11/10/2005 3:44:47 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: thoughtomator
I identify a lot more with my grandfather than with either of my parents

i hear you brother, my mother just bought a house on one of those interest only variable loan. my grandfather paid for his first home in cash. and his second, and his third and last.

did all that brown acid fry their brains, they sure can't do basic math.

parents just don't understand.

163 posted on 11/10/2005 3:47:00 PM PST by postaldave (i've given up on being mad in exchange for bitter sarcasm.)
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To: laney
It's easy to work 15 hrs a day sitting on a chair in front of a computer screen while typing away..

Right. Try it sometimes.

The little secret that most older Americans don't want to admit is that they really didn't work all that hard in the "good old days." Americans work 20% more hours these days than they did in 1970.

164 posted on 11/10/2005 3:47:26 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: Palisades

Hey pup....you're full of $hit....if you follow in my footsteps you will be one tired boy.....BTW...I can now lay on my a$$...because I worked when I was young....


165 posted on 11/10/2005 3:49:49 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Freedom isn't Free....never has been...never will be)
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To: RadioAstronomer
24 hours a day, seven days of the week so these whiny ungrateful twerps can blame us for all their problems.

These whiny ungrateful twerps are out in the deserts of Iraq, and the mountains of Afganistan dying for the mistakes of your generation's first president. I don't see too many Boomers out there in the bush with us Gen X'ers. But I certainly see alot of you riding desks happy to have us do your dirty work. Spare me the "We won the Cold War" attitude, most of the people that did that are worm food now. Your challenge was always Islamofacism, and you settled for peace and prosperity. 1979? Osama Bin Laden? The Kobar Towers? USS Cole? Ring any bells? Don't get on your high horse, it just hurts more when you get knocked off.

Cheers,
CSG

166 posted on 11/10/2005 3:49:50 PM PST by CompSciGuy ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill)
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To: Shalom Israel
Whereas we miserable slobs can fix our own computers...

So can I.

In fact my very first computer was an S-100 computer that had a hand wire-wrapped backplane with each chip individually soldered into their respective daughter boards that I had to custom interface to a surplus teletype. When you say you fix your own computer, does that mean you only pull and plug boards? Fix to me is using a logic probe to find the bad IC and replace it. Anything else is just pop and swap IMHO.

167 posted on 11/10/2005 3:50:06 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Shalom Israel

Again if that is what you would like to call it..As I staed I did my own thing not because I was Political that is for darn sure because I wanted to have FUN plain and simple. I put myself through school and did what I did and had alot of fun at times doing what I did.

I never said I was a little goody 2 shoe chickie, I was a wild child that learned alot on the road to Adulthood and maturity.


168 posted on 11/10/2005 3:50:20 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: bulldozer
It will be forced euthanasia for the generation which approved abortion.

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The SCOTUS "approved" abortion years before the vast majority of boomers had the right to vote. The seven consenting justices were all over fifty and were all appointed to the court by Presidents who were elected without a single boomer vote.

Why would you post in a way that so blatantly displays your ignorance of the facts of your own history?

169 posted on 11/10/2005 3:50:46 PM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: Shalom Israel
"Quitcher whining and cough up my social security, before I knock you out of your high-chairs and take it! Whippersnapper!"

Thats my SS not yours. I paid into it. I get it back. Pretty simple huh?

170 posted on 11/10/2005 3:51:48 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
Hey pup....you're full of $hit....if you follow in my footsteps you will be one tired boy..

You can refuse to admit it all you want, but previous generations didn't work all that hard. Working 9-5 was standard. Nobody, except government bureaucrats, work such easy hours anymore.

171 posted on 11/10/2005 3:52:18 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
Curious - can you take your arsenal w/ you to PI ?

In a word, yes. I'm married to a Philippine national and have checked into it.
I will need special dispensations but it can be done.

And even if I don't, I can always hit the black market once I'm there.

172 posted on 11/10/2005 3:52:22 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: laney
because I wanted to have FUN plain and simple. I put myself through school and did what I did and had alot of fun at times doing what I did. I never said I was a little goody 2 shoe chickie, I was a wild child that learned alot on the road to Adulthood and maturity.

We've all made mistakes. What I'm not getting from you is any sort of hint that you actually consider your past behavior a mistake.

174 posted on 11/10/2005 3:52:31 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Logophile

The media or those who are the most outspoken seem to be at fault for this so-called "war". The boomers who shout the loudest, "me, me, me" (think Bill Clinton) are the ones we notice the most. Just like the Generation X-ers everyone hears about are the idiots on MTV. Sometimes I see people my age and think, "I feel so old."


175 posted on 11/10/2005 3:52:33 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Logophile
Those who fought the Vietnam War were part of the so-called "Baby Boom."

And the cold war. I missed Vietnam by one year.

176 posted on 11/10/2005 3:53:00 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Palisades

Oh Common, people who worked in Factory's, Plants, Automotive Paper Mills etc, that are not sitting on there ARSE like Computer people, you dare to compare???


177 posted on 11/10/2005 3:53:44 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Thats my SS not yours. I paid into it. I get it back. Pretty simple huh?

That's not how it works. SS doesn't "belong" to anyone. The government could stop paying it tomorrow, and there would be nothing illegal about it if they did.

178 posted on 11/10/2005 3:54:44 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: laney

do tell......have you reached that maturity yet laney?????


179 posted on 11/10/2005 3:54:52 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: RadioAstronomer
Thats my SS not yours. I paid into it. I get it back. Pretty simple huh?

No, you didn't. You paid into the general fund, and some con-men spent it. Now you want to get even by defrauding your children. If you weren't a socialist, you might try something like putting a stop to the thievery, so that you children would have enough to support you voluntarily. If you haven't already alienated them with your parasitic attitude, that is.

180 posted on 11/10/2005 3:54:52 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: DaGman

Only problem is that you didn't pay as much as we will pay. I can't remember the numbers but something like six or seven of you guys paided into the system for every retired person.

On the other hand the workers in a few years will on be one or two paying for the retired person.


181 posted on 11/10/2005 3:55:12 PM PST by Swiss
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To: postaldave
this in not a flame at you but it is the truth about your generation.

Codswallop. Unions were around long before my generation. BTW, I have never belonged to a union.

182 posted on 11/10/2005 3:55:26 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: thoughtomator
"Happily the boomers have solved our problem by overwhelmingly supporting euthenasia for their own parents. Won't payback be a bitch!

You citation, please for this fact you present for overwhelming support for euthanasia among boomers.

Thanks in advance for your thoroughness

183 posted on 11/10/2005 3:55:54 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: laney

haha.....my dad did same.....without shoes.......


184 posted on 11/10/2005 3:56:04 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: laney
Oh Common, people who worked in Factory's, Plants, Automotive Paper Mills etc, that are not sitting on there ARSE like Computer people, you dare to compare???

Yes, an 8 hour day in a union shop, which includes an hour for lunch and two 15 minute coffee breaks.

Yeah, 6.5 hours a day of work. Real tough.

185 posted on 11/10/2005 3:56:44 PM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: Shalom Israel

It wasn't at the time, I don't live in the Woulda, Shoulda Coulda, state of mind.

I did what I did because at the time it was *right* for me..

If I lived with regrets, I could not grow as a human being..


186 posted on 11/10/2005 3:57:13 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Bingo.

Another worthwhile take on demographics can be found in the most recent Steyn column. Though it focuses on France and Europe, there are some lessons for the U.S.:

Mark Steyn: It’s the demography, stupid
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1519371/posts


187 posted on 11/10/2005 3:57:57 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: laney
Oh Common, people who worked in Factory's, Plants, Automotive Paper Mills etc, that are not sitting on there ARSE like Computer people, you dare to compare???

My arms would fall off if I tried to do what a steel-worker does. But that steel worker's head would explode if he tried to do what I do (I'm a computer scientist with a PhD in Math). Have you ever concentrated so hard on a problem that you developed a migraine from sheer mental effort? How dare you suggest that what we do isn't work???

188 posted on 11/10/2005 3:58:08 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Palisades

And what about those baby boomers that served in the military?....for my hubby, his days began at 6am, and lasted until 5pm...and what about when in the field, and on duty 24hrs a day...and what about CQ duty, being on alert, and all the other times that an 8 or 10 hr day would be a luxury...my husband put in long, long days while in the military, but he never whined about it...it was just a fact of life, when one is in the military...

And once out of the military, and working at the post office, my husband put in 11 hour days, every single day, and worked every other weekend...he was used to working hard, and long hours in the military, so doing the same for the post office was a snap(tho with the post office he received overtime pay, which was never the case with the military)...

All this whining, and pointing of fingers, about how this generation is bad, or that generation is good, is nothing but generalizations, which again, I will say is stupid...there are good and bad individuals in every single generation...


189 posted on 11/10/2005 3:59:09 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: qam1
Where were the Gen Xrs when the POTUS tried to FIX SS earlier this year? I saw NO marches supporting his plan to allow them to KEEP their owh money. I guess they were too busy doing whatever Gen Xers do.

Sorry but I am of the WWII generation and have NO IDEA what they do other than play nintendo like my Grandchildren.

190 posted on 11/10/2005 3:59:11 PM PST by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: laney
If I lived with regrets, I could not grow as a human being..

Um, you just said that the way to grow as a human being is to avoid accumulating any experience whatsoever. Wow. We're definitely conversing between planets here.

191 posted on 11/10/2005 3:59:14 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: andysandmikesmom
Life is grand...

:-)

You are a breath of fresh air on this thread.

192 posted on 11/10/2005 4:00:00 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: laney
I guess if living in a "blended" family, with no brothers or sisters is spoiled, and being pissed because Mom just wasn't into "being her mother", is what we're all about sure. By the way, Boomers taught us to express our feelings. Maybe you guys are just getting what you deserve. And spare me the computer generation tag, Boomers were speculating in that which cause it to implode (Screwing lots of Gen X'ers who wanted careers in that industry in the process). Also here is a novel though, Gen X & Y (lazy labels given to us by Boomers), don't have to be about anything, the only generation arrogant enough to try to write its own epitaph has been the Boomers. So pack up your "It's all about me, rhetoric", it isn't all about you anymore.

Cheers,
CSG

193 posted on 11/10/2005 4:00:11 PM PST by CompSciGuy ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill)
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To: Palisades

Oh but it's really tough sitting on your duff just like I am doing right now on this computer typing on FR while ALSO doing my own work I get paid for, GEEZ I could do this all night without breaking a sweat. THANK GOD I can excercise early mornings and later evenings so I can give my heart a good jolt of activity.


194 posted on 11/10/2005 4:00:32 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

While I generally and philosophically agree, my take based on no more than overflights on the way east-west or vice-versa, is that there is one *whole* lot of nothing in the American West.


195 posted on 11/10/2005 4:01:46 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: laney
It's easy to work 15 hrs a day sitting on a chair in front of a computer screen while typing away..

Spoken like someone who has no clue.

Cheers,
CSG

196 posted on 11/10/2005 4:03:12 PM PST by CompSciGuy ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill)
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To: andysandmikesmom

You sound like me. That's my plan when our kids are grown. Nothing cheese me more than to hear people complaining about their parents spending "our inheritance". I already told my children we can help them a little when they go to college, but since there are five of them they have the choice of working their way through college and having us take care of ourselves or we can pay for college and then we can move in with them so they can take care of us, since we'll be broke. My children liked the first idea better.


197 posted on 11/10/2005 4:04:05 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: yellowdoghunter
You know, those of us who struggled to give our children two-parent homes, supported and stayed with them, went to track meets, band concerts, soccer games, and hundreds of parent teacher conferences, sort of resent being lumped in with the boomers who were selfish.

I gave up a career to stay home and raise my children. I am now watching my grandchildren in order to help out my son and his wife. We have paid for college, for a business start-up, for extra medical and dental bills.

In the effort to keep our children in the schools where they had friends, we had to change careers and nearly lost our house (which is why our debt load is so high...we are paying off debts occurred during the lean years).

There are millions of couples like me. I can't help it that there are a lot of jerks in my generation, but I can point to my children's generation and show an equal number of selfish jerks.

If you ask me, the inter-generational "warfare" is pushed by the left, who would like nothing better than to have families torn asunder. It makes their job easier.

198 posted on 11/10/2005 4:04:11 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Shalom Israel
Now you want to get even by defrauding your children. If you weren't a socialist, you might try something like putting a stop to the thievery, so that you children would have enough to support you voluntarily. If you haven't already alienated them with your parasitic attitude, that is.

You don't know what the heck I have done or not done. I paid, I reap. Get over it. I also paid for your education as well.

BTW, if this is the attitude of your generation, I am bloody glad I never had any children.

And to think I busted my a$$ day and night to keep you free. Go figure.

199 posted on 11/10/2005 4:05:01 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Shalom Israel

The way *I* you seem to forget I am one of those Boomers who are into *I* and I am not dis-counting what you do for a living at all, but it's far from the sweat that many men had to do to take care of a wife and 7 children with little education....


200 posted on 11/10/2005 4:05:33 PM PST by laney (little bit country,little bit Rock and Roll!)
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