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Posted on 11/11/2005 1:02:46 PM PST by jlasoon

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To: jlasoon

The gun laws in Toronto aren't much more draconian than the gun laws across the border in NYS. Something else must be going on.


51 posted on 11/11/2005 1:27:23 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

Maybe you will feel better when the 'Bequers separate! With their liberal votes gone the rest of Canada can be normal...


52 posted on 11/11/2005 1:27:34 PM PST by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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To: jlasoon
Residents of Canada's biggest city are living in fear of increasing gun violence and blame their neighbour, the United States, for exporting their gun culture and weapons north, officials told AFP.

Maybe they should pass a law banning guns then.

/sarcasm

53 posted on 11/11/2005 1:28:57 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: kjo
Maybe Canada needs to take a look at the kind of immigrants they are allowing into their country.

We get mainly Moslems today.
Of course they all are law-abiding citizens.
(Sharia law)

54 posted on 11/11/2005 1:29:22 PM PST by Allan
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To: jlasoon

Would they feel better if the shooters had to resort to stabbing people, shoving them out of windows, or beating them with hockey sticks? Because, without the guns, I'm sure they'd find another way to do their dirty work.

The problem isn't the guns. And it sure as hell isn't us.


55 posted on 11/11/2005 1:30:08 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Hurl the invective!)
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To: Brad Cloven
Here just south of the border in North Dakota, everyone owns guns, and crime is the lowest of any state.

Would like to see some statistics on this...I'm pretty sure my Idaho is right up there too, and there is no shortage of guns in my state, (or my house).

56 posted on 11/11/2005 1:30:47 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: trashcanbred; Lazmataz

That looks like something Laz would make.... at least it reminds me of something he came up with a while back.


57 posted on 11/11/2005 1:34:09 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: steel_resolve
"Those that beat their guns into plowshares will plow for those that don't."

Great one Steel...should be your tag line.

58 posted on 11/11/2005 1:34:38 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: denydenydeny

If I were Canada I'd build a wall along the entire length of the border to keep out the EEEVIL guns.


59 posted on 11/11/2005 1:38:30 PM PST by MarkeyD (Cindy - The new 'C' word! I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: trashcanbred

It's a "pistol that shoots around corners."

At the left is a Glock pistol and video camera. A hinge connects it to the rear (right) part, which has the trigger actuator and video display. Good luck with recoil!


60 posted on 11/11/2005 1:39:34 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: jlasoon
Image hosted by Photobucket.com
61 posted on 11/11/2005 1:42:39 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: wolfcreek

That is a rig developed for shooting around corners. You can see in the upper left a pistol. There is a big hinge just to the right of that (a little left of the middle of it). It has a video system and a camcorder like side mounted screen so you can see what you are shooting and all they see is the pistol poking around the corner.


62 posted on 11/11/2005 1:46:28 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Cuttnhorse

I've been searching for a good tag for a long time - the closest I've ever come is from Ving Rhames (sp?) in Pulp Fiction: "Nah, I'm pretty f-ing far from o.k."


63 posted on 11/11/2005 1:47:13 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: Delta 21
I use Canadian coins as targets at 150-200 yards - they work nice if you tape them down with duck tape so you can find them after they get with my 308/165gr hpbt's :o)
64 posted on 11/11/2005 1:47:51 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: jlasoon

Wasnt it a gay French Cannuck flight attendant who introduced AIDS to this country?


65 posted on 11/11/2005 1:56:44 PM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: jlasoon

What about these? (read the fine print)

66 posted on 11/11/2005 2:00:53 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: steel_resolve

Uhhhh, I'd stick with the plowshares thingy.


67 posted on 11/11/2005 2:04:15 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: ezoeni

Hey thats an idea! I need to sight in my new scope on my 30-06!


68 posted on 11/11/2005 2:04:56 PM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG-ret)
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To: jlasoon

No mention of the racial or religous backround of these " disaffected youths".


69 posted on 11/11/2005 2:20:54 PM PST by Peace will be here soon ((Liberal definition of looting: "Self-help Humanitarian Aid."))
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To: jlasoon
Please don't pin this delusional urban mindset on all Canadians.

Rural Canadians use guns and rifles for hunting (and self-defence, where it may take police hours to respond to a call) -- the federal Liberal government created a gun registry that's proven to be a multi-billion dollar bureaucratic boondoggle. Law abiding rural and northern Canadians have had to register their long guns, to placate ignorant nervous Nellies in Toronto and Ottawa.

Somehow this gun registry was supposed to control gun violence. Of course, this ignores the fact that crimes were not, and are not being committed with long-guns. Strict regulation of side arms, and automatic weapons, has been in place for decades -- and has obviously had no effect on the urban gangs committing this violence.

The Paris riots offer a clue -- huge numbers of unassimilated, unemployed, "youths" living in self-segregated ghettos surrounding the metropolitan area. (The only difference being a much smaller proportion of Muslims.)
70 posted on 11/11/2005 2:25:14 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: jlasoon

-"By and large, Canadians are pacifists."-

You call it pacifist, I call it brain dead.


71 posted on 11/11/2005 2:31:04 PM PST by AmericanChef
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To: sure_fine
Damn those Americans!

Great cartoon- kudos for posting it. Much of the silly tactic of blaming Americans, can be laid at Canada's so-called hate laws. A Toronto Police Chief gave out figures of violent crime by racial background. The figures were given per capita. He tapped a hornets nest. He publicly apologised and was lucky he kept his job.

Under the "hate crime" laws, the truth is no defence As with all autocracies, there are certain groups one can "hate" freely. Heaven help anyone who picks the "wrong" group. The Americans are "safe" targets to hate. So are Christians. So is bloomin' whitey. All beauracrats in all autocracies, know how to cover the old rump. LOL

72 posted on 11/11/2005 2:36:16 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: jlasoon

Amazing. Canadians shooting Canadians, and then the Canadians blame the U.S. - Very logical (not).
Next they'll be blaming us for baby seals getting clubbed.


73 posted on 11/11/2005 2:49:38 PM PST by Stoigo
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To: Paul_Denton

Indeed there are some other pics up there on the site. Very cool


74 posted on 11/11/2005 4:00:02 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: AmericanDave

It is called the corner shot. Allows you to shoot various weapons around corners. Uses video and laser aiming. Works with Glock, Beretta among others (and according to the site personal grenade launchers...).

I never touched one but I am sure it would be fun to play with.


75 posted on 11/11/2005 4:08:55 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Beelzebubba

As for the recoil is that why they give you the good size stock (as seen in the picture of it setup).


76 posted on 11/11/2005 4:11:11 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: jlasoon

I'm suprised they didn't say that minorities were hit the hardest - they are sharp so they just issue a blanket condemnation of evil America instead.


77 posted on 11/11/2005 4:12:28 PM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid!)
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To: jlasoon

What a bunch of failures. Everything, absolutely everything is someone else's fault. They take no responsibility for anything.


78 posted on 11/11/2005 4:16:24 PM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the Truth, Journalists write "Stories")
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To: denydenydeny

It is a well-known fact that when you pass a law banning certain things, (guns, alcohol, drugs, etc.) they are thereby impossible to obtain. Criminals will obey the law er uh obediently. (smirk)


79 posted on 11/11/2005 4:23:29 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Brad Cloven

Ditto here for western Wisconsin. My wife, who was raised in England, was brainwashed into believing that the mere possession of a firearm made a person a potential criminal. Guns went off by themselves without anybody firing them. I've had a hard time explaining to her that guns do not go off by themselves. And that she is living in an area with one of the highest gun ownership rates in the country with one of the lowest crime rates. It hasn't dented her skull so far, but I keep trying.


80 posted on 11/11/2005 4:28:49 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: jlasoon
M. Scott Peck, author of The Road Less Traveled and People of the Lie, said that the avoidance of responsibility is the root of all mental illness.

If so, Canuckistan and much of the rest of the world are in a state of terminal psychosis.


Interestingly, this particular affliction seems to be institutionalized within Islamic and specifically Arab culture.
Somebody else is always more culpable for Muslim actions than Muslims themselves.
We are seeing this in France today, with the global dhimmi media falling over each other in their eagerness to blame anyone but the Islamic rioters.
The same kind of dodge is used to justify every possible form of barbarism, as though the idea of not blaming everything on someone else has literally never occurred to them.

It has occurred to me that this dovetails nicely with the infantile, self-indulgent state of mind fostered by the western media for commercial reasons, and this might be yet another point of affinity that connects media conformist culture, liberal ideology, and the Islamofascists.

81 posted on 11/11/2005 4:36:43 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (British by birth and bloodline; American by choice and bloodshed.)
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To: jlasoon

They have it backwards. The name of the song is "Blame Canada!"


82 posted on 11/11/2005 5:00:04 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I get paid to get in your business.)
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To: jlasoon

Those simple-minded people to our North! Why do you think they call it CanaDUH?


83 posted on 11/11/2005 5:23:51 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: 2harddrive

Toronto is probably the most multicultural city in the world.
Currently the diverse minority population (mostly imports
within the last 10 to 20 years) matches or outnumbers the
english white majority. That majority is fast becoming
a minority. The CBC (socialist canadian media rag tag crapola) had a story on their website a few months ago showing a cop from bangladesh, a doctor from china and a banker from haiti. The caption was that Toronto will be a city populated by minorities by 2010. The minorities will be the majority. Of course the CBC didn't show the unemployed
guy from somalia or the drug dealer from vietnam.
CBC were quite proud of it. The immigration policies in
Canada and specifically T.O where every gets in and the
weather is not as bad as it up a little further north
is why you have a big problem with gun violence in T.O.
That is a fact jack.


84 posted on 11/11/2005 6:00:28 PM PST by CelticLord (Immigrants are the problem.)
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To: trashcanbred

So it is not a gun itself, but a device that is used with a gun. Could be sold legaly. But it appears to come WITH a pistol.


85 posted on 11/11/2005 6:20:08 PM PST by AmericanDave (God bless .......and MORE COWBELL)
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To: AmericanDave

I could not tell you. I just remember reading this site and was surprised it was from Canada. When I saw the line in the article saying that Candians don't pack heat... I thought of this site.


86 posted on 11/11/2005 6:43:50 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: jlasoon

It isn't the guns, it's the dregs of society that they have let in the country. But of course they know that. They just won't come out and say it.


87 posted on 11/11/2005 6:52:13 PM PST by Aznar5
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To: jlasoon
Residents of Canada's biggest city are living in fear of increasing gun violence and blame their neighbour, the United States

So the C$2 Billion they're spending to register law abiding gun owners and their guns isn't cutting crime, imagine that!

88 posted on 11/11/2005 6:53:34 PM PST by RJL
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To: Brad Cloven
Here just south of the border in North Dakota, everyone owns guns, and crime is the lowest of any state.

Well, that's because we've exported all the gun violence north. Duh!

89 posted on 11/11/2005 6:55:20 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: jlasoon

Toronto chose to become a modern day Sodom/Gomorah - and now they don't like it? Give me a break ...


90 posted on 11/11/2005 6:58:44 PM PST by 11th_VA (Geezee Freepin Peezee ...)
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To: trashcanbred
I just bought this today


91 posted on 11/11/2005 7:03:06 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Is that a PT 145? How does it handle? I read the trigger on the Pro is better than the older Millenniums.


92 posted on 11/11/2005 7:34:23 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: trashcanbred

No its a 9mm and it fires very nicely. I am a better shot with my 24/7 but I have only fire the millenium once. great conceal weapon


93 posted on 11/11/2005 7:39:21 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: driftless

In the part of Ontario - 3 hours from Toronto - I am in, I am about the only person in the area that does not own a gun...

Don't judge all of Canada by one city!


94 posted on 11/11/2005 7:53:04 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: jlasoon

Hosers.


95 posted on 11/11/2005 7:55:02 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Cuttnhorse

lol, maybe you're right...


96 posted on 11/12/2005 7:42:10 AM PST by steel_resolve
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To: kcvl
"There is fear of retaliation if they speak to police in some sectors of the community," Pilkington said, blaming mostly gangs, some with international links, fighting over turf and drug sales and using guns imported from the United States, for the violence.

Toronto's racial diversity

Toronto, with a population of 2.48 million people ( 5 million in the GTA - Greater Toronto Area ) is heralded as one of the most multicultural cities in the world and is ranked as the safest large metropolitan area in North America by Places Rated Almanac. Over 100 languages and dialects are spoken here, and over one third of Toronto residents speak a language other than English at home.

But Nooo, it's the imported gun culture that's the problem, not possibly the culture of any of the imported people
97 posted on 11/12/2005 7:52:56 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (I do what the voices in lazamataz's head tell me to)
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To: jlasoon
I suggest a close look at immigration arrivals...an open door policy, is great in theory, but weak in practice....
98 posted on 11/12/2005 8:01:15 AM PST by thinking
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To: jlasoon
And let's not gloss over Canada's Islamic situation:

POPULATION

-- Considering that most Canadians still favor immigration and considering immigrants becoming politically significant, it is likely that open immigration will continue

-- Since the September 11 terrorist attacks many Muslims have begun to look to Canada as an alternative to the United States, where they fear bias and harassment

-- This is especially true with international students who have come to Canada in much larger numbers since 9/11 while 35% less have chosen to go to the US

A BIT OF HISTORY

The first recorded Islamic presence in Canada was the 1871 census which found 13 Muslims among the population. The first Canadian Mosque was constructed in Edmonton in 1938, when there were only about 700 Muslims in the country. The famous translator of the Quran, Abdullah Yusuf Ali inaugurated the masjid during his tour of Canada while he was working on his translation

The years after World War II saw a swift increase in the Muslim population, in the 1981 census the population was still below a hundred thousand

MUSLIMS ARE YOUNGER

Muslims represent the youngest generation in Canada with a median age of 28.1 years. Compared to the Jewish and Roman Catholic populations whose median age is 41.5 and 37.8 years old, respectively. The median age for the total Canadian population is 37 years old. 3

LESS THAN 10% MUSLIMS ARE BORN CANADIANS

411,520 of the total Muslim population is 15 years and older. Among these, 91% are 1st generation Canadians, 7.7% are 2nd generation Canadians, and approximately 0.9% of Muslims are 3rd generation and over. Roughly 68% of Muslims in Canada have Canadian Citizenship.

-- Typical immigrant agenda will remain dominant along with the culture and politics of the old country

-- Special consideration will be needed to find room for the second generation

DIVERSITY WITHIN

-- Cultural diversity may hamper intra-Muslim communication

-- Unity may become easier on the non-threatening models of networking and confederations

MARITAL STATUS

MUSLIMS ARE HIGHLY EDUCATED

-- There are 1.5% of the Canadian Muslim population that have earned doctorates comparatively, 0.3% of Roman Catholics and 2% of Jewish population in Canada have earned doctorates.

-- Probably more Muslim PhDs in Canada than many Muslim countries.

-- 3.5% (14,520) of the Canadian Muslim have their major field of study in Humanities and related fields

-- 5.3% (21,640) have majored in social sciences and related fields

JOB MARKET: HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT

-- Is it because of the wrong skill set for the market?

-- Is it due to discrimination?

-- How does it compare with other new immigrant data? Further Research regarding Muslims in Canada

-- Income data

-- Religiosity surveys

-- Muslim interaction with other faith


99 posted on 11/12/2005 8:02:02 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (I do what the voices in lazamataz's head tell me to)
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To: jlasoon
Residents of Canada's biggest city are living in fear of increasing gun violence and blame their neighbour, the United States, for exporting their gun culture and weapons north, officials told AFP.

It's a frikkin AFP report that uses unnamed 'officals' with no substantiation in the article.
Look at this $hit...""It's totally unacceptable. We don't want that kind of violence in our city," Toronto Mayor David Miller told AFP, echoing local residents who expressed concerns that America's gun culture is creeping north across the Canada-US border."
Miller says we don't want that kind of violence in our city. He says nothing about 'America's gun culture creeping north'
And what local residents? The folks down at the Dingbat Diner?

A more accurate statement would be, "AFP blames U.S. for exporting their gun culture and weapons north".
Sheesh let's not put a ring in our nose for the anti-U.S. AFP to lead us around.

100 posted on 11/12/2005 8:02:54 AM PST by kanawa
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