Skip to comments.Bird Flu May Over-Stimulate Immune System
Posted on 11/11/2005 4:29:40 PM PST by blam
Bird flu may over-stimulate immune system
HONG KONG, Nov. 11 (UPI) -- Researchers in Hong Kong say the H5N1 bird flu virus may provoke an excessive immune reaction, explaining why it is deadly even to the young and healthy.
Laboratory tests on human cells showed that the virus caused the immune system to send proteins called cytokines to infected lung cells, a reaction that would end up damaging or destroying the tissues the immune system is meant to defend.
The tests were carried out by scientists at the University of Hong Kong, working with samples from patients who died in Vietnam. The results were published in the online medical journal Respiratory Research.
The research suggested that patients who contract bird flu may need drugs that suppress the immune response in addition to anti-viral drugs like Tamiflu. It also indicated that healthy people with strong immune systems could fare worse than others if they became infected.
The virus has killed flocks of poultry and migratory birds, particularly in Asia, in recent months, but only 124 people have been infected, through direct contact with birds. Sixty-four of them have died.
The new research may affect preparations by health officials worldwide, who fear a pandemic may occur if the virus mutates to become passed from human to human.
Copyright 2005 by United Press International. All Rights Reserved.
Outstanding posts. Thanks--those are much appreciated.
People thinking of taking turmeric (curcumin) for it's excellent antiviral effects should remember that it stimulates bile production, and so could be dangerous for someone with gall stones. Turmeric is also a potent blood thinner. People taking coumadin should check with their doctors before using turmeric.
Cinnamon also has antiviral and antibiotic effects, but should not be used by anyone taking medication for diabetes, because cinnamon definitely lowers blood sugar. Taking cinnamon in 500 mg capsules could interact with the antidiabetic medication.
Honey and fresh garlic mixed can be taken to coat the throat and have a protective antiviral effect. I don't know of any side effects, unless you are diabetic, and then you should not take it.
For anyone interested in reading about the physiological effects of Indian spices, including Tumeric, this is not a bad overview:
Ping. I thought you might be interested in the Indian Journal article, above.
It, and several other sites, also recommend:
Thanks, I've bookmarked the site.
> P2N95 masks
These masks seem to be designed to prevent disease
spread in both directions - to and from wearer.
Since the main interest with H5N1 is in [not] getting it,
and not giving it, I presume that a conventional industrial
respirator would suffice, if outfitted with suitable
What sort of cartridges?
The quick kill, limited spread mechanism is common in Ebola outbreaks, but those populations are already living in sparsely populated jungles. The density of modern cities and mobility of populations between them will put a whole new dynamic into the next pandemic.
Yes, the N95 class of mask/respirator is considered adequate vis-a-vis particle size. The 95 refers to 95% stoppage at a target size. It all comes down to mask fit and handling. The metal strip at the top of most masks has to be formed properly to fit the nasal bridge of an individual. Beards can't be present (not a problem for 50% here). Removing and disposal of the mask has to be done extremely carefully. One of the most important benefits of a mask is it stops you from touching your face.
However, there's no mention whatsoever about N-Acetyl Cysteine
You can read more about glycosacharides such as that at this site (automatic PDF download)
A good thing that I read was they were touting cat's claw. I have a cat and she has all her claws, so I should be good to go in that regard. And she knows that she gets clipped every once in a while. I'm not clear what you're supposed to do with 'em though. Do you smoke 'em or something?
Yup, if no one answered yet. Just jumping in here, so I don't know what was said up the thread. Turmeric, golden seal, and ginger are all in the same family, and have some similar properties. Turmeric is amazing stuff. Good to put on cuts, wounds, infections, pimpls, boils, and to take internally for all manner of illnesses. It's good to eat every day in food.
I've read multiple discussions on this, pro and con. On the con side, yes, they do stimulate the immune system and may increase the ability to produce cytokines as well. On the other hand, elderberries can decrease the total viral load that gets into the system, and can prevent replication of the virus in a host cell, thus keeping immune reaction lower than without elderberries.
So this is a judgement call that everyone has to make for themselves about any natural antiviral, including even garlic.
Personally, I take elderberry tonic, that I have made myself, a tablespoon in the morning and one at night. I have opted FOR the elderberries, since they reduce total viral load in Israeli research, and prevent or reduce viral replication once in the body. It's my thinking that will reduce the body's immune response.
Truthfully, at this point we don't know.
As far as I know, just two different spellings of the same thing. Curcumin is the active ingredient, iirc.
4.8% of 296 million people, plus 12% of (2.5 x 4.8% of 296 million), of which sum total 1/2 could plausibly die. According to my calculations this works out to 9.2352
In the 1918 flu pandemic, the majority of deaths was in the 13 to 40 age group. Of the avian flu the overwhelming majority of deaths has been in the <35 age group.
Kind of brings a different perspective on the age old mantra of:
Ring around the posey, pocket full of rosie, ashes, ashes, we all fall down!
Well, I have some because I deliberately went looking some time back. I read an article that stated there was pretty good evidence that it will prevent Alzheimers Disease. Now, if I could just remember where I put it. (just kiddin')
It made real sense. I liked in particular the ProMed references, although I was not able to locate the specific citations by number.
The most important point was that the operational mode of the H5N1 is different from other flu viruses. As a direct consequence, treatments for some types of flu actually make Avian worse
Specifically, elderberry or Sambucol makes it worse, because it strengthens the "cytokine storm" immune response, which is the very mechanism for Avian pathology. Therefore, we might want to modify blam's list:
Star Anise......... perhaps, but may require procesing
Sauerkraut/kinchi.. actually makes it worse!!!
Grape juice........ use Resveratrol instead
Elder berries......(Sambucol) actually makes it worse
Now we need to add:
Green Tea, probably need the extract
St. Johns Wort
Cat's Claw, as a last resort
Curcumin / Turmeric
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