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Gomery could lead to the break-up of Canada. With Quebec out of the Confederation, and Ontario left alone facing Western alienation, it would likely spell the end of the vote-rich province's Western Canada Phobia. A brave new world - maybe not such good news for the ruling Liberal Party but good news for what's left of Canada - English Canada. Call it as Ted Byfield writes, the price of corruption.
1 posted on 11/11/2005 10:39:56 PM PST by goldstategop
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Hey goldstategop, what's up with these Canadian articles? I thought you lived in sunny Cal. Anyway, it's good you're showing an interest in the far North. But, as a Canadian, I don't know what the term RHINO means for Americans. Beaver in Canada means something too, kind of industrious and conservative, but I'm trying to get a handle on that slippery RHINO term. Maybe you can let me know if ain't too much of a bother.

By the way, Quebec will probably be the first new country in the 21st Century. Multiculturalism means you can't say, 'No'.
3 posted on 11/12/2005 12:16:33 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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It would be interesting to see Quebec leave. I remember the referendum 10 years ago, and like this article says, they came within one half of one percentage point of succeeding. After Canada's snotty attitude toward the U.S. as of late, it would serve them right to have to go through this (with apologies to any Canadian Freepers out there!!).

I remember reading a lot of interesting articles about "various possibilities" the last time Quebec voted on separation.

One thing I heard was that the Maritime Provinces would be essentially cut off from the rest of Canada if Quebec left. In addition, some of what I read said that in many ways, the Maritimes have more in common with the U.S. states they border, than with the rest of Canada. So, many were theorizing that if Quebec ever secedes, the Maritimes would also secede, and then apply to the U.S. for statehood.

I am not sure if I like this idea or not. If the "dominant culture" in the Maritimes is similar to that of the northeastern United States, then this would basicly mean that we would have three new "blue states" joining The Union, a possibility I do not relish. If they are liberal, then let them remain a part of Canada.

The other possibility I heard was that one of the western provinces of British Columbia or Alberta might also secede if Quebec left. Again, the theory was put forth that under this set of circumstances, the seceding Province would apply to the U.S. for statehood. Of these two provinces, I read (and was told by some Canadians) that of the two, this scenario was more likely with Alberta. I have heard that Alberta is a bit more Conservative, so if they would come into the U.S. as a "red state", that would be OK with me!! In addition, I have been to both Calgary and Edmonton, and they seem to be very nice cities.

Not sure how likely any of the above scenarios would be. Even if no other provinces besides Quebec seceded, it would be interesting to watch Canada come to grips with the situation. Quebec is such an odd Province anyway. But what do you expect from a place where the dominant language is French?!?!


4 posted on 11/12/2005 12:35:17 AM PST by Zetman (This secret to simple and inexpensive cold fusion intentionally left blank.)
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"...his pet monkey, Kiki the Federalist, who will only do tricks if you offer him enough cash."

I think we've found a replacement for either Sen. Byrd or Sen. Stevens....
6 posted on 11/12/2005 12:49:00 AM PST by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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7 posted on 11/12/2005 1:05:55 AM PST by backhoe ("It's so easy to spend someone else's money." [My Dad, circa 1958])
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When will members of the Montreal media begin to publish facts that every Quebecker can access and digest before even contemplating Quebec Separation. According to the Fraser Institute (1994 study):

Should Quebeckers decide to separate from Canada, Quebec's Separation Obligation to Canada would be $150.6 billion as of March 31, 1994 (today this amount would be about 30% higher). This amounts to $20,888 for every man, woman, and child in Quebec, or $83,552 per family of four. The study contains a seven step methodology for measuring Quebec's share of government of Canada assets and liabilities.

Quebeckers would face a difficult fiscal choice after separation. Should they wish to continue to enjoy the same level of services and benefits from their new national government in Quebec City as previously received from Ottawa, their federal taxes that would be going to Quebec City, which presently go to Ottawa, would have to be sharply increased, perhaps by as much as 53.5 percent.

If there is opposition to higher taxes and Quebeckers continue to pay the same amount of tax to their new national government in Quebec City that they presently send to Ottawa, the services they would receive for programs after the annual payment of their Separation Obligation to Canada would be 46.5 percent of the level of program expenditures received prior to separation.

An independent Quebec would have an all-government net debt-to-GDP ratio of 149.4 percent, compared with a Quebec as a Canadian province net debt-to-GDP ratio of 127.1 percent as of March 31, 1994. This measure of debt includes all levels of government in Quebec.

The debt burden of an independent Quebec would be more severe than that of any Canadian province, except Newfoundland, and more severe than that of any OECD country, including Belgium, Ireland, and Italy.

Based on the "Fraser Institute SIC List 1994" of the world's most severely indebted economies, an independent Quebec would be the 28th most severely indebted country in the world, with a government debt burden just behind Madagascar and just ahead of Jamaica. An independent Quebec would join the Third World in terms of its all-government indebtedness.

Taking all levels of government into account, total debt charges would be an estimated $23.7 billion as of March 31, 1994 for an independent Quebec, compared with $15.3 billion for Quebec within Confederation. This 54.9 percent increase in debt charges would pose a significant financing challenge for an independent Quebec.

A final potential consequence of Quebec leaving the Canadian Confederation may be an unwillingness of foreign and domestic investors to lend money, not only to Quebec, but also to the Rest of Canada. The negotiations leading to separation would dispel whatever government debt illusion that may have existed on the part of investors in Canadian and Quebec government bonds as to the severity of the debt burden facing Canadians and Quebeckers and the impossibility of servicing this debt while maintaining government services without unprecedented tax increases and/or further borrowing.

Makes you stop and think twice before supporting any form of Separation...Can the PQ wish this type of scenario on its people just for "identity" purposes? This is very serious stuff and should not be left to the devices of the PQ camp - ever!


19 posted on 11/18/2005 10:05:21 PM PST by writing4u
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