Skip to comments.Vietnam war critic warns of similarities with Iraq conflict
Posted on 11/12/2005 4:07:54 PM PST by jmc1969
MAPLEWOOD, N.J. -- The man who leaked secret documents about the Vietnam war indicating the federal government had deceived the public, said he sees a lot of similarities between that war and the one being waged in Iraq.
Daniel Ellsberg, who became famous for his release of what became known as the "Pentagon Papers," spoke to a crowd of more than 400 people Saturday at a local high school in Maplewood.
During Saturday's talk, Ellsberg said both the Vietnam war and the war in Iraq were based on lies, referring to the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Ellsberg also sent out a special message to people working in the federal government today, urging them to speak up now about possible government misconduct they witness relating to the Iraq war.
The Harvard graduate, who has praised government whistleblowers who leak information about the Iraq war, said he wishes he had leaked the Pentagon Papers earlier, possibly ending the war sooner.
Ellsberg said Democratic leadership in Washington is essential for the nation to get out of Iraq, but according to Ellsberg, Democratic politicians are worried about the Bush administration labeling them as unpatriotic, weak on terrorism, or traitors _ something he said happened during the Vietnam era as well.
Ellsberg, who read from his book "Secrets A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers" that was published in 2002, predicted that Bush would want to push through a new Patriot Act that would make the existing one look "like the Bill of Rights."
Westfield resident, Diane Beeny, 48, came to the event wearing a black beret and several anti-war pins with mottos such as : "No War!," and "Military Spending is Killing Us! "
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We agree Iraq is another Vietnam. Thanks for your help.
Anybody care to calculate how many years it will take to lose 58,000 American troops in Iraq at the current rate?
Regurgitations from another tired old anti American hack!
Ellsberg should have been forced to cough up his sources for revealing military secrets like Judy Miller.
About 60 years.
The big similarities are a bunch of back stabbing politicians and enemy sympathizers in the press.
Wow! That's a record-breaking crowd! /s
This posting is in dire need of a "Barf Alert." Without a warning, I read the whole thing and now....aaurrghhh
The primary similarity is that the war protestors are undermining our effort in Iraq, just as they did in Vietnam.
My God, when will the ridiculous comparisons to Vietnam finally be universally recognized as cheesy and the last refuge of tired, old and unapolagetic communists?
Why hasn't this clown been backed up against a wall and suffered a severe lead poisoning attack?
50 years ago we wouldn't have to ask why, just why so long.
LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN THE UNITED STATES
Ellsberg believes in freedom for himself. Others can hope to jump on a boat or run like hell through the rice paddies with a baby on their back. Cambodian and dead Vietnamese thank you Danny. Communism isn't all that bad to people living outside the Mao bubble. I am betting Ellsberg never studied anything about how the Chinese Communists came to power and what they did to the Chinese people. Ellsberg has to be blood kin to Mr. Berg
Amen. Traitors like him should be behind bars. Not in front of school crowd.
There are NO simularities between the Vietnam war and the war on terror. Period.
Outsource this to the Jordanians for gathering source information. Ellsberg belongs in prison.
The trend is clear: terrorists no longer attack U.S. forces in any number. They save their strength for hotels and marketplaces. This gets them news coverage, and news coverage keeps them in the game.
Ironic that the French media has decided to stop showing images of burning cars, because they believe it incites more people to burn cars.
What, then, does covering suicide bombings of non-military targets do?
Yep! The demoRats are following the same dirty game plan they used during the Vietnam war. That's where the similarities are. But we have a new media here on the internet.... and they're not going to get away with it this time! Because their voices aren't the only one's heard anymore!
Enemy agents are welcome at our high schools while recruiters aren't. How French can we get?
Boy ain't that the truth.
Problem is, so many of the vapor brains that comprise today's youth belief this crap, mostly because they are spoiled egomaniacs with no thinking skills.
Hubby & I had to turn off a 20-something comedian who started out funny, then got into the seemingly inevitable I-hate-Bush-he lied-people died-all conservatives must die routine.
Both had Anti-American propaganda from the commie/terrorists sycophantic press and Traitorous spineless micromanaging egomaniac elitists in the U.S. Congress.
Yes, I see some similarities.
Stinkin' liars anyway!
Bill Clinton: "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State: "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Advisor and Classified Document Thief: "[Saddam will] use those weapons of mass destruction again as he has ten times since 1983."
Harry Reid: "The problem is not nuclear testing; it is nuclear weapons. ... The number of Third World countries with nuclear capabilities seems to grow daily. Saddam Hussein's near success with developing a nuclear weapon should be an eye-opener for us all."
Dick Durbin: "One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that...Iraq...may acquire or develop nuclear weapons."
John Kerry: "If you don't believe...Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me."
John Edwards: "Serving on the Intelligence Committee and seeing day after day, week after week, briefings on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction and his plans on using those weapons, he cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons, it's just that simple. The whole world changes if Saddam ever has nuclear weapons."
Nancy Pelosi: "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons-inspection process."
Sens. Levin, Lieberman, Lautenberg, Dodd, Kerrey, Feinstein, Mikulski, Daschle, Breaux, Johnson, Inouye, Landrieu, Ford and Kerry in a letter to Bill Clinton: "We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Perhaps we should have an AP alert sot that readers can have their Air-Sick bags at the ready.
The main similarity is that the left in the United States is doing its best to see that we lose.
87 years. Yup, just exactly like Vietnam.
I won't be suprised if they roll out Daniel Berrigan from the nursing home to make a anti-war speaking tour.
I believe 87 years total. So 84 more.
This guy's another moron. The biggest and pretty much sole similarity is that the politicians are involved.
There are NO simularities between the Vietnam war and the war on terror. Period.
"There are NO simularities between the Vietnam war and the war on terror. Period."
Yes there is. The American left. They see it as being like Vietnam because they are acting in the exact same reprehensible, disgraceful manner as they did in Vietnam. They look at their own actions and say, "See, just like Vietnam."
Vietnam War and Daniel Ellsberg
Iraq War and Sandy Berger
Notwithstanding a quest for relevance and a jones for renewed media attention, I'm thinking his social security ain't payin' the bills......
The bedwetters, cowards, appeasers, the great unwashed of the left are indeed still part of the political landscape as they were in Vietnam. They are just more brainless now.
Oh yes there are. A seditious near traitorous core of lying obsfucating anti-war activists who are trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory almost EXACTLY as they did to me and my comrades 36 years ago. The main difference is that they can't get away with the villification of the American soldier as they did then. For details on our military victory in Vietnam, I would refer you to UNHERALDED VICTORY: THE DEFEAT OF THE VIET CONG AND NORTH VIETNAMESE ARMY by Mark Woodruff.
I agree. The only similarity is that the dimocRATS and the MSM are behaving the same way. Otherwise there is no comparison.
See my post#40. I was there also in 68-69. My point was that OPERATIONALLY there are no simularities.
I stand corrected. Operationally I think that the job is less diffucult owing to an even greater asymentry between the Islamist nutcase killers and our superb forces (including Iraquis) than was the case in Vietnam.
And thank you sir for your service.
And you for yours. And all of our brothers and sisters who comprise the great corp of patriots who have been enlisted to serve and maintain the freedom of the greatest nation in human history.
It took us ten years and 58,000 KIA before we quit. Right now it took us three years and 2000 KIA before we have less than 50 percent support for the war. I hate to say this, the Vietnam Era Americans are a lot tougher than the 21st Century Americans.
It's common knowledge that Ellsberg is a nut job. After all, anyone who had to suffer through the 70's has heard of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist. Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!
(Thanks to the best political cartoonist in this country, who is...a conservative! Eric Allie...)
Back then, they did not have the nearly 24 hour a day hammering away at it in the papers, television and radio that they have today.
They also did not have nearly the ENTIRE democratic party hammering away with negativity either.
But it is a good point you make.
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