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French Police Turn On Chirac As Officer Jailed
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-13-2005 | Kim Willsher/Henry Samuel

Posted on 11/12/2005 4:40:41 PM PST by blam

French police turn on Chirac as officer jailed

By Kim Willsher in Paris and Henry Samuel in Bobigny
(Filed: 13/11/2005)

After 16 nights battling urban violence by rioters, Jacques Chirac's government is confronting angry new protests - from the police themselves.

Firefighters extinguish a burning car in Strasbourg

Officers at the forefront of attempts to control the wave of riots and arson attacks across France are furious at moves to prosecute policemen accused of assaulting a youth.

As officers were deployed in force in Paris yesterday following a call on weblogs for a mass demonstration, the police union described the jailing of one officer and the suspension of others as "incomprehensible and unacceptable".

Police officers, who have been targeted with stones, missiles and Molotov cocktails since the trouble broke out, said they were "stupefied" by the action taken against their colleagues. Alliance, the main police union, appealed to members for calm after the decision to take the first steps towards charging five police officers implicated in the assault on a youth.

State television showed images of two officers hitting and kicking a young man while six colleagues stood by watching in the northern Paris suburb of La Courneuve on Monday. One officer is being held in detention while four others are also under formal investigation.

The French interior ministry said the victim had suffered cuts to his face and right foot, but had been declared fit for work.

The case has brought to the surface growing police resentment at the failure by politicians to resolve the crisis, the most serious and protracted outbreak of violence in France since 1968.

Jean-Pierre Raymaud, the leader of another police union, told Le Figaro newspaper: "For 15 days we've been targeted constantly and under a lot of pressure. This isn't an excuse but it has to be taken into account. The police have done their work and I don't think finding one or two scapegoats just to demonstrate firmness is fair."

Yesterday afternoon police were out in force but maintaining a discreet profile on the Champs-Elyseés, Paris's most celebrated avenue, after bloggers from the banlieues called for a demonstration yesterday evening. Squad cars and coaches full of riot police were parked in side streets and at either end of the avenue.

The police said that 502 cars had been burned on Friday night, more than on either of the two previous nights, and 206 people were taken into custody.

Mr Chirac's ministers are relying on a combination of police power, curfew orders and a court crackdown to quell the rioting. So far, 593 adults among the 2,440 people arrested have been rushed through "fast track" hearings and 464 have been sent to jail for up to a year. A further 102 juveniles have received custodial sentences.

Pascal Clement, the justice minister, said last week: "I have instructed prosecutors to recommend the strictest sentences for those who have deliberately crossed the laws of the Republic."

The number of cases being pushed through three special courts at Bobigny, northeast of Paris, has led to complaints that justice is being rushed. Mourad Sehan, a legal aid defence lawyer, said: "One man whom I defended and was given a five-month sentence had an alibi that nobody bothered to verify."

Two defendants who appeared before the judge in Chamber 17 of Bobigny criminal court were typical. As their handcuffs were removed, Youssouf Souare, 20, and Bandiougou Diawara, 18, gazed nervously around the crowded courthouse as they were charged with "fabricating and possessing an explosive device". In other words: making a petrol bomb. On the wooden benches, their bewildered families were outnumbered by journalists.

The police claimed that officers had discovered a bottle of petrol and three rags in the boot of their car, and traces of petrol on their hands.

Souare insisted there was just half an inch of cleaning petrol in a plastic bottle, and three old rags - which he said he had because he was employed to remove graffiti on the local council estate. The prosecutor looked embarrassed and declined to recommend a sentence. The two men were acquitted, to cheers from their supporters.

François Molins, the prosecutor general at Bobigny, said: "Trials are rapid but not rushed. We are used to dealing with urban violence and we have kept our serenity."


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1 posted on 11/12/2005 4:40:42 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; martin_fierro
François Molins, the prosecutor general at Bobigny, said: "Trials are rapid but not rushed. We are used to dealing with urban violence and we have kept our serenity."

SERENITY NOW!!!!!

3 posted on 11/12/2005 4:44:36 PM PST by Experiment 6-2-6 (Admn Mods: tiny, malicious things that glare and gibber from dark corners.They have pins and dolls..)
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To: Lizarde

I hope they do. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't and their damned President doesn't give a merde.


4 posted on 11/12/2005 4:44:57 PM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: blam

...victim had suffered cuts to his face and right foot, but had been declared fit for work.

**
Wow! Some beating!
I am amazed that no French citizens have started assaulting these thugs. Oh, yeah, I forgot, this is France we're talking about.


5 posted on 11/12/2005 4:45:08 PM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: blam
SERENITY NOW!
6 posted on 11/12/2005 4:45:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals exist only if you think they do.)
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To: blam

There is no way this dirt bag is hanging on to his political power now


7 posted on 11/12/2005 4:46:22 PM PST by x5452
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To: blam
Jean-Pierre Raymaud, the leader of another police union, told Le Figaro newspaper: "For 15 days we've been targeted constantly and under a lot of pressure. This isn't an excuse but it has to be taken into account. The police have done their work and I don't think finding one or two scapegoats just to demonstrate firmness is fair."

Have to agree with Jean-Pierre. The gendarmes can take just so much before they begin reacting.

8 posted on 11/12/2005 4:46:48 PM PST by decimon
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To: blam

Ruh Roh

He's stepped in it now
He must support his police of the system will crash


9 posted on 11/12/2005 4:48:51 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
SERENITY NOW!!!!!

"Oom...Ooom...Ooom (ribbit) Ooom..."

10 posted on 11/12/2005 4:48:59 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Bigg Red

[...victim had suffered cuts to his face and right foot, but had been declared fit for work.]

I think they are talking about the cop. Maybe the one who was charged for hitting back. That is not allowed in LaLaLaLa MMMOOOOOOOMMMMMHYHHH land.


11 posted on 11/12/2005 4:49:06 PM PST by kindred (Democrats are amoral neo-nazis with no values.)
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To: blam

Okay Chirac, I don't hate to say it...

TOLD YOU SO!


12 posted on 11/12/2005 4:49:10 PM PST by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: blam

: )


13 posted on 11/12/2005 4:50:36 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: Lizarde
Waiting for french police to strike - this could be the beginning of a whole new chapter in this sorry affair.

Strike, is like surrender?

14 posted on 11/12/2005 4:50:57 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: blam
Maybe the French police should cosider transfering to New Orleans.

-PJ

15 posted on 11/12/2005 4:51:00 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Bigg Red
Youssouf Souare, 20, and Bandiougou Diawara, 18

Was expecting ute names like Running Dog etc.

16 posted on 11/12/2005 4:51:36 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Bigg Red

Keep in mind: there are just as many muslims as Frenchmen of fighting age, under 30.

France is doomed, it will not be saved by street fighting French pensioners.


17 posted on 11/12/2005 4:52:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: blam

Wwwaaaahhhhaaahhh (sponge bob laugh)


18 posted on 11/12/2005 4:53:09 PM PST by onyx eyes (.... I'd give at least .50 cents to know why ....oh, never mind....)
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To: kindred
[...victim had suffered cuts to his face and right foot, but had been declared fit for work.]

I think they are talking about the cop.

The cop is called the 'victim'??

19 posted on 11/12/2005 4:53:40 PM PST by tsmith130
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To: blam

It's over.


20 posted on 11/12/2005 4:53:44 PM PST by Fintan (One of these days I'll tell you what I really think.)
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To: blam

like I stated on another thread, when chriac promised law and order will be followed, no one had any idea he was aiming the comment at the police...what these yutes have learned is they can now do anything without fear of reprisal..political correctness gone fully amuck..since chirac has now declared he isn't willing to FIGHT for France, it's well on it's way toward becoming a full-fledged islamic republic..


21 posted on 11/12/2005 4:54:34 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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To: blam

France is finally learning that there are NO bystanders in the war with terror. Ch'Iraq has long ago proven his unwillingness to fight terror.


22 posted on 11/12/2005 4:55:32 PM PST by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: blam

I think there's an unknown element in the french water. I'm calling it Francoimbicileum and I'm guessing that it's an incredibly dense substance.


23 posted on 11/12/2005 4:55:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: blam


I wouldn't blame the police for abandononing their post.


24 posted on 11/12/2005 4:58:27 PM PST by Tempest (I'm a Christian. Before I am a conservative.)
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25 posted on 11/12/2005 4:59:51 PM PST by backhoe (Anyone recall "A Clockwork Orange?")
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To: decimon
I don't think finding one or two scapegoats just to demonstrate firmness is fair.

Is Chirac looking at the wrong bunch to demonstrate firmness perhaps?

26 posted on 11/12/2005 5:00:34 PM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: blam
After 16 nights battling urban violence by rioters, Jacques Chirac's government is confronting angry new protests - from the police themselves.

Gee, I couldn't imagine why.

27 posted on 11/12/2005 5:01:11 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: TigersEye
SERENITY NOW!

LMAO!!! I just picture George's father.

28 posted on 11/12/2005 5:02:40 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: x5452
There is no way this dirt bag is hanging on to his political power now

I wouldn't be so sure. It's France afterall.

29 posted on 11/12/2005 5:03:49 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: blam

30 posted on 11/12/2005 5:04:19 PM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: TigersEye

Hoochie Mama!


31 posted on 11/12/2005 5:06:54 PM PST by Sociopathocracy (The Left and Islamo-fascism, the twin cancers of human history.)
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To: Bahbah
Is Chirac looking at the wrong bunch to demonstrate firmness perhaps?

I don't know that I want to directly blame Chirac for this. Kinda like when people blame a US President when someone cuts the cheese in Sheboygan.

32 posted on 11/12/2005 5:07:09 PM PST by decimon
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To: blam

Let's not forget that Chirac is the "conservative." If he goes, his successor will probably be even worse.


33 posted on 11/12/2005 5:07:12 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: decimon
The gendarmes can take just so much before they begin reacting.

My understanding is that the "youth" (age: 19) had been released from custody that day and had come back at nightfall to taunt the police.

That's kind of like shaking out a red picnic blanket in a pasture full of bulls.

34 posted on 11/12/2005 5:09:15 PM PST by woofer (Eagles may soar - but weasels don't get sucked into a jet's engines)
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To: Bigg Red



Fit for work..? I thought they were all unemployed.


35 posted on 11/12/2005 5:09:17 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: decimon
when someone cuts the cheese in Sheboygan.

Were you aware that Sheboygan is my home town or was that just a lucky guess?

36 posted on 11/12/2005 5:10:07 PM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: blam

I would love to see nothing more than the frog police go on strike. Chirac is finally finished.


37 posted on 11/12/2005 5:12:32 PM PST by Buffettfan
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To: blam
The police should just bring marshmallows to the car-b-ques, and enjoy themselves; instead of being abused for trying to do their job.
38 posted on 11/12/2005 5:15:16 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: Travis McGee

Three words: French Foreign Legion.


39 posted on 11/12/2005 5:15:57 PM PST by mattdono ("Crush the RATs and RINOs, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" - Arnie)
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To: Buffettfan
"I would love to see nothing more than the frog police go on strike. Chirac is finally finished."

Nope!
France is finally finished.

(I never did figure out how to line out stuff...)

40 posted on 11/12/2005 5:16:14 PM PST by norton (it IS about the CIA and it IS about CYA...)
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To: blam
Another thread where we can feel oh so superior to the Frogs!

Paging Mark Fuhrman!

41 posted on 11/12/2005 5:17:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("in the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: blam
Those urbane Frenchy-French are maintaining serenity. I did not realize the past couple of weeks had been serene.

Chirac dealing with this is what we need to watch. Will he be successful or will someone be voted off of the island?

I'm sure (I hope) we have contingency plans should this happen widespread in the US or other European countries besides France. President Bush really needs to speak to world leaders and reemphasize that 'you are with us or you are with the terrorists.'

I imagine Chirac regrets his previous checker move to Pres. Bush's chess move.

It is not too late, M. Chirac. Join in the war on world terrorism, but if it looks like you are going to screw us one more time, I don't EVEN want to know the consequences that will be considered!
42 posted on 11/12/2005 5:22:35 PM PST by hummingbird (Think I'll google for a while.....on FRED THOMPSON for a seat on the SUPREME COURT!)
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To: Travis McGee
"France is doomed, it will not be saved by street fighting French pensioners."

It really is over for France!

43 posted on 11/12/2005 5:23:14 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
How to break Chirac: the whole police force walks off the job for a couple days. No police at all will make the Worm think twice.
44 posted on 11/12/2005 5:24:30 PM PST by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: Bahbah
Were you aware that Sheboygan is my home town or was that just a lucky guess?

Huh! If my life had depended on guessing your home town then I would now be dead.

Wisconsin goes with cheese and many of us non-Sheboyganites find the name humorous.

45 posted on 11/12/2005 5:25:49 PM PST by decimon
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To: Tempest
"I wouldn't blame the police for abandononing their post."

Yup. The army should be handling this continuing problem.

46 posted on 11/12/2005 5:26:09 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
We are used to dealing with urban violence and we have kept our serenity.

Chirac serene as Paris burns.

47 posted on 11/12/2005 5:26:11 PM PST by Joe Miner
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To: BulletBobCo
Love your pic!

Tom is irritated over this story, but I'm not :)


48 posted on 11/12/2005 5:26:18 PM PST by demkicker
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To: blam

"102 juveniles have received custodial sentences."

Maybe the "custodians" need to be sentanced too for not controlling their kids. Oh wait, the kids are doing what they are taught to do at the mosque. Nevermind.


49 posted on 11/12/2005 5:26:51 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: norton

Oddly enough, it's < strike > < / strike > .


50 posted on 11/12/2005 5:27:44 PM PST by FreedomFarmer (Some settling of consonants may have occurred during shipping.)
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