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Judge rules 5 black firefighters don't have to pay [union] dues
Dayton Daily News ^

Posted on 11/12/2005 8:03:09 PM PST by Lorianne

CINCINNATI | Five black firefighters who say their union does not represent them effectively do not have pay dues for now, a federal judge has ruled.

The decision from U.S. District Judge Walter Rice means settlement talks are likely between the two sides, said Fanon Rucker, the firefighters' lawyer.

Rucker's clients last year sued the city and the International Association of Fire Fighters Local 48 to stop the union from deducting $22 a month from their paychecks. Although the firefighters are no longer members, union official say they still must pay a portion of the dues because they benefit from wage negotiations and representation on grievances.

The ruling requires the union to stop taking dues from the firefighters' paychecks and signals that Rice believes the firefighters are likely winners if the suit goes to trial.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that unions can collect a share of dues from nonmembers, but only after auditors name the amount.

Rucker says the union's books have not been properly audited, while union officials say the union conducts annual audits any firefighter can examine.

More than 100 black firefighters resigned from the union after the city's riots in 2001. The city's 800-member fire department is 32 percent black.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: firefighters; ruling; unions

1 posted on 11/12/2005 8:03:11 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

No one .... (black or otherwise) should be forced to pay union dues. If you dont want to join, you should not be forced to. I know that this is not what the story is about, but I wanted to shoot my mouth off about that since it is simular.


2 posted on 11/12/2005 8:06:20 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Lorianne

Unions extorting TAXPAYER money from non-members.

makes my eyes cross


3 posted on 11/12/2005 8:11:05 PM PST by digger48
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To: Lorianne

The fact they are black has nothing to do with the story. The author makes it sound like a special race-based ruling. Prick!


4 posted on 11/12/2005 8:15:02 PM PST by evolved_rage
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To: Lorianne

I bet that same judge says that coerced dues MUST be paid by anyone that isn't black.

There are fewer veterans in the workforce than there are blacks, does the judge agree with the fact that unions most DEFINATELY do not represent THEM!?

I would wager not.


5 posted on 11/12/2005 8:16:10 PM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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To: wickedpinto

I must correct, the ruling is not based on race, it is just that those who supported the decision manipulated the judgement as though it were race based.


6 posted on 11/12/2005 8:18:50 PM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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To: wickedpinto

I think. I'm not a lawyer so the connections, and summaries I'm reading are confusing me. So I must retract all of my statements, however, the basic sentiments based on the hypotheticals that I believed I saw I do agree with.

But in truth, I am, at the moment incapable of deciphering exactly what it is that I KNOW I have an opinion about.


7 posted on 11/12/2005 8:21:21 PM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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To: wickedpinto
I've been forced to pay teamster union dues to a Cincinnati local for 20 years and they sure the hell don't represent me.

Do you think I can get some of my hard earned dollars back?

Fat f'n chance!
8 posted on 11/12/2005 8:24:19 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: Lorianne

Since I'm white, female, and in my mid 40's do you suppose I could sue Soc.Sec for my money now and invest it the way I want to?
Nah, thot not.


9 posted on 11/12/2005 8:47:08 PM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: Lorianne

Two firefighters are overcome by smoke. One has a UNION sticker on his helmet, one does not. Guess which one will be pulled out of the fire first by UNION firefighters.


10 posted on 11/12/2005 9:00:30 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Nightmares tonight thinking of the CARTER YEARS!)
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To: Tail Gunner John

Years ago, I thought about withdrawing my membership from my union. The problem was that with the end of my membership, I would have lost the benefits associated with contractual agreements, ie., free vision care and a free dental plan. These were benefits specifically negotiated between the State and my union. At the time, I had two young children who would have also lost those benefits, so I quickly changed my mind. I'm no fan of unions, but if these firefighters aren't going to pay dues, then they shouldn't be afforded the benefits that the union negotiates for them.


11 posted on 11/12/2005 9:09:45 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: mass55th
Couple of years ago, Missouri elected a democRAT govenor. Firts thing he did was force all gov. employees to join the union (that paid over a million $ for his inauguration).
12 posted on 11/12/2005 9:14:43 PM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: FFforFreedom

ping!


13 posted on 11/12/2005 9:16:52 PM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Lorianne
Rucker says the union's books have not been properly audited, while union officials say the union conducts annual audits

LOL this is so typical. Yessir we audit ourselves ....
14 posted on 11/12/2005 9:17:36 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: GregoTX

Your spot on! It's exactly what the story is about.


15 posted on 11/12/2005 9:18:14 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: Lorianne

Under the Beck decision (Beck vs. CWA 487US735, 1988) the SCOTUS ruled that you can only be forced to pay a union the amount that they use for administration and collective barganing.

The case is at:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=487&invol=735


16 posted on 11/12/2005 9:20:42 PM PST by antiantiamericans
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To: mass55th
" I'm no fan of unions, but if these firefighters aren't going to pay dues, then they shouldn't be afforded the benefits that the union negotiates for them."

The point is you still have to pay non-membership fees to the union. That's the cash the unions funnel to the DNC and to city and corporate officials to gain contracts.

17 posted on 11/12/2005 9:24:34 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: antiantiamericans
Which is still BS!

All it's doing is bolstering socialism in the US. That amount is still more than 50% of dues.
18 posted on 11/12/2005 9:26:42 PM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: mass55th
The company I work for is a national one. Of the different geographical divisions of this company approximately half are unionized, including mine.

The pension plan, health care and other benefits are identical, unionized or not. The pay scales are very similar with some non union groups making more some less than me.

The only thing the union does is to negotiate the size of my sales territory for me. The union keeps these territories as small as possible to create more positions, more employees, more union dues. Of course I'm working a 40 week. Unfortunately we are commissioned and less hours means substantially less pay for me. If I were able to work 45-50 hours a week I could increase my take home by some 25%. This I would gladly do. The union does represent the slackers and malcontents. In 20 years I have never needed this service nor will I ever.

Due to the seniority of some of these slackers the union cost me over $40,000 in lost wages during my first three years of employment.

My union is localed in Ohio. I work in Kentucky (non right to work) in a closed shop. So I have been screwed by the teamsters from day one until the day I no longer will receive a pension, the day I die.

Oh, for the opportunity to decertify.
19 posted on 11/13/2005 11:12:33 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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