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Can you modify an AR 10T to make it legal in CA

Posted on 11/13/2005 12:59:25 AM PST by vitalemj

I'm looking at buying an AR-10T but live in CA. It seems all info I find says you can't own a weapon with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip. The new bushmasters AR-15's have a lower receiver with the magazine well blocked off and a 10 round magazine welded in. Is there any law stating you can't have a qualified gunsmith weld the magazine (six round) in the lower receiver so it functions the same as a these new CA legal lower receivers? I would appreciate anyone with any knowledge, and hopefully documentation, either for against this procedure. Thanks, Mike? vitale@rock.com


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: ar10t; assaultrifle; bang; banglist; cafirearmslaws; md4guns; trollpotential; weaponsban

1 posted on 11/13/2005 12:59:27 AM PST by vitalemj
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To: vitalemj
Banglist
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2 posted on 11/13/2005 1:01:55 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: vitalemj

Welcome to FR. Good Question.


3 posted on 11/13/2005 1:09:43 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: vitalemj

Contact your local police department and ask to speak to the PD rangemaster. Ask him that question.

OR

Contact the state DOJ and ask them that question.


4 posted on 11/13/2005 1:17:14 AM PST by Cindy
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To: vitalemj

California only approves specific variations of specific guns. If you take a blued gun, and chrome plate it, it becomes, for legal purposes, another gun altogether.
The only hope you have is to migrate to America.


5 posted on 11/13/2005 1:20:17 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: Cindy; vitalemj
I've found that LE is clueless on gun law. And in California (as here in IL) you are given several answers depending on anti-gun bias. Better to cal DoJ or even the sales department at Armalite. They'll know the law due to necessary compliance.
6 posted on 11/13/2005 1:21:42 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: vitalemj

Move..take your tax dollars to a state that understands what the 2nd Amendment means.


7 posted on 11/13/2005 1:27:03 AM PST by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: endthematrix

Generally speaking, I'll have to disagree with you regarding the PD rangemaster being clueless; however the state DOJ does have all the updates to any new laws regarding weapons and the modification of weapons, etc.


8 posted on 11/13/2005 1:30:14 AM PST by Cindy
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To: vitalemj

Try asking here: http://thefiringline.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3

or on the Legal/Political board at that site. Pretty knowledgeable people over there.


9 posted on 11/13/2005 1:33:51 AM PST by FreedomForce
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To: Cindy

I was so frustrated when asking IL State police about gun law. That was followed by continued frustration when talking with local LE. I had better luck with questions at a gun shop which had documentation right there.


10 posted on 11/13/2005 2:03:39 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: endthematrix

OPINION: I understand endthematrix.

That is why I started my last post began with the term "Generally speaking" because not all law enforcement agencies have the same level and/or standard of training.


11 posted on 11/13/2005 2:08:24 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Fiddlstix

You may wish to contact the California Rifle and Pistol Association.

www.crpa.org


12 posted on 11/13/2005 5:02:12 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: vitalemj

California is lost.

Move back to the United States.


13 posted on 11/13/2005 6:40:13 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Continental Neuvo Laredo!)
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To: Cindy

I wouldn't ask anyone in goverment short of the state Attorney General. He's the one who ultimately decides whether to prosecute, so betting your freedom on the legal interpretations of a rangemaster at a PD seems like a high-risk move. Plus, the first rule of being a bureaucrat is that you'll never get fired by saying 'no', so that's the first answer one usually gets in situations like this.

If it were me, I'd find an attorney versed in California gun law. Or moving from the state is looking real attractive now that every reform proposition has been rejected by the slumbering sheep that infest this place.


14 posted on 11/13/2005 8:22:00 AM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: vitalemj

Move to Texas. Your AR-10 will be legal and will be commented favorably upon at the local shooting range.


15 posted on 11/13/2005 8:31:46 AM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: vitalemj

Give your local BATF office a call. They should be able to answer your questions.

Welcome to FR.


16 posted on 11/13/2005 8:59:28 AM PST by planekT
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

HAHAHA! I like that!


17 posted on 11/13/2005 1:27:20 PM PST by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: planekT
Give your local BATF office a call. They should be able to answer your questions.

It's a state law, not federal. Even it was federal the advice of some low leve BATFE flunky is not worth anything. They are quite likely to come arrest you and confiscate your firearms on the basis of the question. Even if they initially say what you've got is OK, another "agent" may disagrees and bust you. Unless you get it from them officially and in writing, and from the proper official, it's just vaporware.

18 posted on 11/14/2005 12:10:13 PM PST by El Gato
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