Posted on 11/13/2005 3:43:43 PM PST by Only Waxing
On NBC’s “The Chris Matthews Show” this morning, the host’s panel members stated that the reason 55 percent of Americans surveyed in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll were comfortable with the way the CIA is treating captured terror suspects is because Americans either “don’t know the truth” or “don’t want to know what the specifics are.”
The discussion was focused on torture issues raised in Congress this week, and Matthews brought up this poll to demonstrate that a majority of Americans don't seem to be concerned by how the CIA is interrogating prisoners. Andrew Sullivan of the New Republic quickly responded, “I don't think they know the full truth of what we're doing.”
Michelle Norris of NPR said:
(Excerpt) Read more at newsbusters.org ...
Why doesn't Chrissy just wrap a towel around his head and move to Iran. Stop torturing us with your bumbling blather Chrissy.
String em up and pull out their fingernails, cause I don't want another 9/11, or worse.
And Matthews is a liberal scum who would sacrifice our country for the sake of murderers.
The question is NEVER posed about Chris Matthews as to whether he's oblivious or stupid. Because everyone knows he's just plain stupid.
I understand one thing--Chris Matthews is an idiot.
Torture every single one of them to get info, it's fine with me. They want to kill us and destroy Western civilization, so I really don't think talking is effective.
Only the left believes we can "talk it out", what utter simplistic, child like nonsense.
Well most Americans don'tbelieve in giving aid and comfort to the enemy the way you do Chrissie
Send them to Iraq... and I don't mean the green zone. I would suggest Andrew and Gitmo... we all know he would like it too much. It would be nice to see facts and not opinion also... that's why they call it news.
Christine Matthews. The operation was a success!
We'll see how much Chrissy likes questioning at the Libby trial... watch how fast the first amendment protectors move to omit info and request it not be televised.
I suppose they think we are all stupid because we don't listen to them. Sorry, but I think they are stupid for not realizing that we know they are liars. Why would I listen to liars?! How would they know what I know since they only to talk to the people who show up at their cocktail parties?! I doubt they know any people in flyover country.
And, NO, Chris Matthews (wipe your mouth!), I don't care about the U.S. torturing TERRORISTS who want to kill my family! That is the least of my worries! I would be more worried about you torturing Scooter Libby and Karl Rove every night (but I'm not worried about that either) before I would worry about damn TERRORISTS and how we "treat" them (supplying them with prayer blankets & beads, Korans, special diets better than our military gets and a clean, comfortable and safe place to sleep but we can't allow our own children pray in school!).
The MSM can shove it where the sun doesn't shine and I sure won't care! They have never been more despised and have earned every ounce of it!
As a woman, that's an insult... more like a Ken doll (if you know what I mean).
"Americans either “don’t know the truth” or “don’t want to know what the specifics are.”"
Well Chrissy sissy, you are the expert on stupis and obtuse.
Matthews and NPR held a love fest.
If Chris had to spend a few hours with this monsters, he would ne so ready to treat them tenderly. But, I suppose, is many, like the undetonated lady bomber in Amman, they could smoothe talk him and confirm his delusion that these vipers have no poison. Chris, the Devil does not wear horns!
Chris Matthewsis getting stranger and stranger. I notice that when he says CIA Leak Case, his face gets real distorted when he says leak. I don't know if it because he gets so thrilled or that he doesn't know how to say leak. His whole face shifts to one side when he says leak.
He is very strange.
Hissy has been programmed ... the word leak results in a desperate urgency to relieve himself.
Matthews is a fringe LUNATIC, who still worships his old boss Jimmy Carter and the drunk Tip O'Neill. That's how smart he is.
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"Matthews spent 15 years in politics and government: he worked in the White House for four years under President Jimmy Carter as a Presidential speechwriter and on the Government Reorganization Project, in the U.S. Senate for five years on the staffs of Senator Frank Moss (Utah) and Senator Edmund Muskie (Maine), and was the top aide for Speaker of the House Thomas P. “Tip” O’Neill, Jr. for six years. And was a trade development advisor with the US Peace Corps in the southern African nation of Swaziland. Matthews is married to Kathleen Matthews, award-winning news anchor for the ABC affiliate in Washington, D.C."
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Friday November 11 Hardball:
7:00 p.m.
Chris Matthews, during introduction: "Tonight, a look at the rhetoric the Bush administration used to perpetuate the idea of a connection between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks."
7:12 p.m.
Matthews, before a commercial break: "Still coming up, inside the CIA leak investigation: How the Bush administration successfully publicly linked al-Qaeda to Iraq and to the attack on 9/11 to win support for the war. We'll be right back with that. You're watching Hardball only on MSNBC."
7:19 p.m.
Matthews, before a commercial break: "Up next: More on the CIA leak investigation. David Shuster will have, he's been doing great work, an in-depth look at the way the Bush administration made a link between al-Qaeda and what happened to us on 9/11, and also what Saddam Hussein was involved in. This is Hardball, only on MSNBC."
7:22 p.m.
Matthews: "All this week, we've been examining the Bush administration's claims about Iraq that sold America on the war. We've looked at claims that Saddam was a nuclear threat, that our troops would be greeted as liberators, and an administration ally, Ahmed Chalabi, could be trusted on either matter. All of those claims, of course, were false. Tonight, we offer you a closer look at another key White House argument, the alleged link between Iraq and 9/11. Hardball correspondent David Shuster reports."
David Shuster: "Just days after the 9/11 attacks, Vice President Cheney on Meet the Press said the response should be aimed at Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror organization, not Saddam Hussein's Iraq."
Dick Cheney, on Meet the Press dated September 16, 2001: " Saddam Hussein's bottled up at this point, but clearly we continue to have a fairly tough policy where the Iraqis are concerned."
Tim Russert, Host of Meet the Press: "Do we have any evidence linking Saddam Hussein or Iraqis to this operation?"
Cheney: "No."
Shuster: "But during that same time period, according to Bob Woodward's book, Bush at War, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was pushing for military strikes on Iraq, and during Cabinet meetings, Cheney, quote, 'expressed deep concern about Saddam and would not rule out going after Iraq at some point.' That point started to come 11 months later, just before 9/11's first anniversary. The President and Vice President had decided to redirect their war on terror to Baghdad, so with the help of the newly-formed White House Iraq group, which consisted of top officials and strategists, the selling of a war on Iraq began, and the administration's rhetoric about Saddam changed. Not only did White House hawks tell The New York Times, for a front-page Sunday exclusive, that Saddam was building a nuclear weapon, and not only did five administration officials that day go on the Sunday television shows to repeat the charge-"
Cheney, on Meet the Press dated September 8, 2002: "-that he is, in fact, actively and aggressively seeking to acquire nuclear weapons."
Shuster: "-but the White House started claiming that Iraq and the group responsible for 9/11 were one and the same."
George W. Bush, in the White House, dated September 25, 2002: "The war on terror is, you can't distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror."
Bush, giving a speech, dated October 7, 2002: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making, and poisons, and deadly gases."
Bush, in a press conference, dated November 7, 2002: "He's a threat because he is dealing with al-Qaeda."
Shuster: "And, pushing the Saddam-Iraq-9/11 connection, both the President and the Vice President made two crucial claims. First, they alleged there had been a 1994 meeting in the Sudan between Osama bin Laden and an Iraqi intelligence official."
Bush, in a speech: "We know that Iraq and al-Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade."
Shuster: "After the Iraq War began, however, the 9/11 Commission was formed and reported that while Osama bin Laden may have requested Iraqi help, quote, 'Iraq apparently never responded.' The other crucial prewar White House claim was that 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official in the Czech Republic in April of 2001."
Gloria Borger, former Capitol Report anchor, from the June 19, 2004, Capitol Report: "You have said in the past that it was, quote, 'pretty well confirmed.'"
Cheney: "No, I never said that."
Borger: "Okay."
Cheney: "I never said that."
Borger: "I think that is-"
Cheney: "That's absolutely not-"
Cheney, from Meet the Press, dated December 9, 2001: "It's been pretty well confirmed that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service."
Shuster: "Confirmed or unconfirmed by Vice President Cheney, the 9/11 Commission stated, quote, 'We do not believe such a meeting occurred.' Why? Because cell phone records from the time show Atta in the United States. Nonetheless, the White House strategy worked. In March of 2003, one poll found 45 percent of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. And on the eve of the Iraq War, the White House sent a letter to Congress telling lawmakers that force was authorized against those who, quote, 'aided the 9/11 attacks.' Yet the Bush administration continues to say it never claimed Iraq was linked to 9/11. The irony, of course, the brutal irony is that while implications about a 9/11 connection innuendo or false claims, if you will, helped take us into Iraq, the Iraqi war itself has created real al-Qaeda-Iraqi links that might keep us from getting out. I'm David Shuster for Hardball in Washington."
Matthews: "That was fascinating seeing the Vice President denying something and then seeing the tape a year before of what he was denying. Anyway, thank you, David Shuster. Up next, more analysis on the al-Qaeda-Iraq link. And later on this show, former 60 minutes producer Mary Mapes will be here. She produced that trouble-strewn story last year on President Bush's National Guard service. You're watching Hardball on MSNBC."
7:32 p.m.
Matthews, after a commercial break: "Welcome back to Hardball. More now on our special report on how the Bush administration sold the war in Iraq, with Stephen Hayes, a senior writer for The Weekly Standard, who has reported extensively on the Iraq War, and Chuck Todd, editor-in-chief of The Hotline. What did you two guys make of the Vice President of the United States denying to Gloria Borger that he had made that claim that there was a connection, a meeting in Prague between intelligence officials of the Iraqi government, at the time, and Mohammed Atta, and then saying he never made such a claim?"
Chuck Todd, The Hotline: "It was to me a political fumble. I mean, how do you mess that up?"
Matthews: "But isn't that part of the, isn't that part of the creed, the belief? You hear it from people like Lori Melroy, that a lot of people who support this war with great fervor, who really do believe that there was some kind of Iraqi role in 9/11."
Stephen Hayes, The Weekly Standard: "Look, the Vice President has never claimed an Iraqi role in 9/11. What he said in that clip that you showed-"
Matthews: "The Mohammed Atta meeting in Prague?"
Hayes: "He said that it was pretty well confirmed at a time, December 9, 2001. If you read The New York Times three days later, I believe, December 12, 2001, you have senior intelligence officials throughout the story confirming the meeting-"
Matthews: "Right."
Hayes: "-the alleged meeting. So he wasn't saying anything at that time that the intelligence community didn't also believe-"
Matthews: "But a year later, he denied making that claim."
Hayes: "Well, a year later, it was three-"
Matthews: "Why did he deny making that claim?"
Hayes: "It was three years later. It was a mistake."
Matthews: "Why did he deny making that claim?"
Hayes: "It was a mistake."
Matthews: "You mean he forgot he made the claim?"
Hayes: "Yeah, he probably did. It was a mistake, I mean-"
Matthews: "He forgot making the claim that-"
Hayes: "What do you think he was doing? I mean, do you think he was lying at that point?"
Matthews: "I think he was denying the obvious, according to the video. That's all I can go by."
Hayes: "Well, if you know, if you're the Vice President of the United States and you know that there's video of you making the claim, why would you deny it?"
Matthews: "Okay, let's talk about the politics of this. It's not, it's not just the assertions that have been made and remade. It's the language that's been used, that the war on Iraq was a war on terrorism, that somehow it was payback. That was part of our culture for three years. A lot of people supported this war. In fact, poll data shows, just like poll data now shows they think the President deliberately misled on the intel, poll data before we went to war was that there was, Iraqis were on the planes that attacked us on 9/11. The people thought so, that somehow Iraq had attacked us. That's why we had to attack them."
Todd: "Because the lines were fuzzed during the runup to the war there. I mean, nobody can deny it is technically accurate that this administration never said Iraq was part of 9/11. But it was fuzzy, and it fuzzed everything up."
Matthews: "Was that conflation on purpose?"
Todd: "It certainly appears to be on purpose. It was a political sales job. So, of course, in some form, it was purposeful because they were trying to get, build political support."
Matthews: "Was this a 'Remember the Alamo' kind of war where we went to war in Iraq to get even for something done to us at 9/11?"
Hayes: "No, I don't think it was. I mean, it, look, if it was a conspiracy to conflate 9/11 and the Iraq War-"
Matthews: "It might be a public relations strategy."
Hayes: "Look, if it was a conspiracy, you had Hillary Clinton involved in the conspiracy."
Matthews: "What was she saying about the connection between 9/11 and Iraq?"
Hayes: "She said, October, she said, she mentioned Iraq in the same paragraph as 9/11, which these days apparently is [forbidden]. We're not supposed to do that. Nobody's supposed to do that."
Matthews: "No, only saying that it's payback, that it's somehow connected. What is the connection?"
Hayes: "They didn't say that. They didn't say that."
Matthews: "What did Hillary say?"
Hayes: "Hillary said on the Senate floor, Iraq has harbored and sponsored terrorists, including al-Qaeda. She didn't say that Iraq was behind 9/11, just as the Bush administration didn't say Iraq was behind 9/11. And let me say one other thing. When President Bush was asked that question twice directly, 'Was Iraq behind 9/11?' he twice said we have no evidence to suggest that Iraq somehow directed or was behind 9/11. Condi Rice said it repeatedly. The administration said it repeatedly in the runup to war. What they said was that Iraq changed, or 9/11 changed everything, we have to look at threats in a different, through a different prism after 9/11. The threat that we see from Iraq is unacceptably high based on what we've seen happen in our own country."
Matthews: "And so you deny that the administration made it seem to the American people like the people who attacked us 9/11 are the same people we're going after in Iraq? You deny that?"
Hayes: "No, I think, look-"
Matthews: "Same people?"
Hayes: "I don't think, the President, at one point, said you can't distinguish between Iraq and al-Qaeda in the war on terror. Now, you can take that literally and say you literally cannot distinguish because they were the same. Fine. I think he was making a much more general statement that Iraq is part of the war on terror, which is something he said ever since."
Todd: "I think the better question is would the, did the administration ever want to correct people who said, correct supporters who said, 'Oh, so you're saying Iraq's part of 9/11?' No, they never, they wanted that, they didn't, it was an added benefit-"
Matthews: "Is that a fair assessment?"
Todd: "It was an added benefit that people thought that."
Matthews: "That they never disabused people of the notion, those who did hold it? The polls show people believed that Iraqis were on the planes."
Hayes: "No, I actually disagree with it because of what I-"
Matthews: "You think the President corrected the record?"
Hayes: "-because of what I just, because of what I just said this. He told Newsweek, there's a Newsweek article in which he's quoted as saying we have no evidence that Iraq was behind 9/11."
Todd: "But by saying we have no evidence, that's a trial, that's what a trial lawyer says when they're trying to use circumstantial evidence, when they're trying to get circumstantial evidence."
'Well, call me stupid and oblivious all day long, but I don't care what they do to them. Not one tiny bit.
String em up and pull out their fingernails, cause I don't want another 9/11, or worse.
And Matthews is a liberal scum who would sacrifice our country for the sake of murderers.'
Yeah! What he said!!
There was a time about 18 months - 2 years ago that I enjoyed reading Andrew Sullivan.
Now I can't stand to read him. All he ever talks about is the gay issue and torture.
He's tedious.
During the election, he said that we needed foreign correspondents to go into America and see why these people vote like they do. He gave some story about when he went out of the city once and saw some country people- he just couldn't believe them. I was dumbfounded when I heard this.
I hear that from some DUmmies that I know, that we don't know the whole story. That the US troops are doing things far worse than Saddam could dream up. After I yell at them, I ask them for the documentation, and all they can say is that the government is "covering it up". Drives me crazy.
“don’t know the truth” or “don’t want to know what the specifics are.”
I look at it this way, I love filet mignon, I don't care how they get the cow to my plate, I LOVE FILET MIGNON.
President Jimmy Carter sat down with Chris Matthews to discuss his views on the recent revelation about the existence of CIA "secret prisons" and related interrogation tactics.
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HARDBALL HOST: "Our Endangered Values" — are they endangered to some extent because of this new story we read in the paper, that the United States, the CIA has been setting up these prison camps unknown to the world, around the world, to keep the terrorists hostage?
JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Yes. That's one of the many values that this administration has changed dramatically and profoundly compared to all previous presidents who's ever served, including Ronald Reagan and including George Bush Sr.
and including Gerald Ford and all the way back to Dwight Eisenhower.
I never even considered the fact that our country would be debating whether or not we could continue to torture prisoners around the world in secret prisons. This is something that's inconceivable.
But I notice that the administration now is pushing hard to get Congress not to approve the John McCain proposal, supported by 90 out of 100 senators, that we not resort to torture. This administration is insisting that we resort to torture, which I think is a profound change in
our basic moral values, just one of many.
MATTHEWS: Isn't that Dick Cheney, the vice president's position? He basically taken the ramrod position in defending it?
CARTER: Well, he has. I think that's an open fact that everybody knows. He been to
senators and they have made it public that he has urged them to permit the CIA to continue torturing prisoners.
MATTHEWS: Why are you opposed to torturing prisoners?
CARTER: Well, first of all, it's against a basic human rights commitment that was made 50 years ago when the United Nations were first formed, and every country has agreed to abide by this restraint, including every president who served for the last 50 years.
It also besmirches America position as the so-called former champion of human rights. There's not a single major human rights organization in the world that's not now condemning America as one of the foremost violators of basic human rights.
And it's not only just overseas in prisons for torture, but we have also done the same thing at home in doing away with civil liberties and incarcerating about 1,200 people after 9/11 who were not ever accused of a crime, who couldn't have access to a lawyer, who couldn't see their own family. They were finally — some of them secretly released.
But these kind of secret things that have been, I guess, excluded from the knowledge of even the overwhelming members of the Congress has now been revealed, and I think it brings about a lot of knowledge about what this administration has done that we didn't know before.
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Chris Matthews got his start as a hatchet man for the Dhimmicrat Party. I never trusted him and turn the channel when I see his pudgy, lying face on the screen.
Now the MSM will decide that they have to rub the torture issue in the American peoples' face until they get those numbers where they belong. Darn it! They were so focused on bringing down Bush's numbers that they forgot about the pesky torture issue.
Chrissy fails to understand that there is another possibility...that the American people DO understand torture and are in favor of it for terrorists.
Democrats are stuck on stupid, that's for sure and for certain.
In that anxiety-free state, patients are more susceptible to suggestion and psychiatrists think it’s possible to uncover repressed memories and feelings that may be contributing to psychological problems.
Sodium Pentothal got the name, Truth Serum, because patients under its influence – and guided by a skillful psychiatrist – lose some inhibitions and may talk freely about topics they might never otherwise discuss. They tell the truth about such topics, but only if they want to. Narcotherapy patients, just like individuals who are hypnotized, don’t loose all self-control and blabber out answers to every question. If a person wouldn’t disclose damaging information when fully conscious, he probably wouldn’t do it when under the effects of Truth Serum. And Sodium Pentothal is not the only drug used as Truth Serum. Some psychiatrists think that drugs like Sodium Amytal and scopolamine are good alternatives.
Totrure may work, but Sodium Pentothal is a better idea.
What's a Chris Matthews? One of those sissy little dogs liberals buy and carry around in a handmade wicker basket?
stupis? Maybe I am stupis : )
"all they can say is that the government is "covering it up". Drives me crazy."
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, tell your friends to do a computer search for the name Louis Pepe.....
Louis is one reason I don't want any of these terrorists brought to US prisons or treated gently.....I don't care if the terrorists are uncomfortable, cold, sleep deprived, etc. They cared not a bit about terrified people on hi-jacked airplanes or in burning buildings on 9/11 and given a chance, they would do to any of us or our children what they did to Louis.
here is his story from Sen. Schumers senate records:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: July 7, 2004
SCHUMER SECURES VAN, AMBULETTE, HOME UPGRADES FOR NYC FEDERAL PRISON GUARD PARALYZED AND BLINDED BY BIN LADEN AIDE
Federal prison guard Louis Pepe was stabbed in the eye by top Bin Laden aide in 2000; Was booted from Federal court during terrorist's sentencing in early May 2004
Two years of Schumer pressure on Feds yields big results; Yesterday, Pepe was able to use new ambulette to visit dentist for first time in five years
US Senator Charles E. Schumer announced today that his office has secured badly-needed Federal help for Louis Pepe, the Federal prison guard who suffered brain damage, partial paralyzation, and partial blindness after a former top aide to Osama bin Laden stabbed him in the eye when Mr. Pepe was working at the federal Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan.
After two years of pressure from Schumer's office, the federal Workman's Compensation board is finally helping the Pepe family, and yesterday Pepe was able to use a new ambulette Schumer secured to visit dentist for first time in five years
"When I heard that Louis Pepe, a hero and one of the first victims of al Qaeda terror in the United States, was being denied his federal benefits, I had just one thing to say - not on my watch" Schumer said today. "Louis Pepe is a credit to all prison guards, to his family and to his country, and the last thing I was going to do was stand by while some bureaucracy denied him the help he earned."
Four years ago, Louis Pepe, a federal security guard, was assigned to a high-security wing at the Metropolitan Correction Center (MCC) reserved for some of the most dangerous international terrorists being held in federal custody including several alleged al Qaeda operatives. On November 1, 2000, Pepe was brutally attacked by Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, a former top aide to Osama bin Laden who was awaiting trial on charges that included attempting to purchase nuclear weapons components.
Salim used hot sauces purchased in the prison to temporarily blind Mr. Pepe and then thrust a sharpened plastic comb three inches into Pepe’s left eye, resulting in severe brain damage, partial paralysis, the loss of his left eye and the loss of 60 percent of the vision in his right eye. Notes later found in Salim’s cell indicate that the attack may have been part of a plan to seize hostages in an effort to break out of jail.
Salim still faces trial and a possible life sentence on conspiracy charges in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. The attacks killed 224 people, including 12 Americans. Salim has also said he attacked Mr. Pepe to try to get the prison keys and stab his two court-appointed lawyers waiting in a nearby conference room, so that the judge in the terrorism case would be forced to appoint him new lawyers.
At the time of the attack, Pepe weighed 300 pounds and was a member of the elite sqaud assigned to the high security wing called the MCC Enforcers Disturbance Control. After dozens of operations, Pepe has lost more than 100 pounds and remains partially paralyzed and confined to a wheelchair. While working at MCC, Pepe used his $47,000 a year salary to help support his parents. He now receives only 2/3 of that salary under worker’s compensation in addition to Social Security payments and the Pepe family now struggles to pay for his heath care costs.
On May 4, 2004, Salim was sentenced Monday to 32 years behind bars for stabbing Mr. Pepe. At the time, US District Judge Deborah A. Batts ordered Mr. Pepe removed from the courtroom after several outbursts. As he was taken out, he shouted: "I'm dead! You understand that? I'm dead!"
In May 2002, Schumer's office learned from Mr. Pepe's family that the federal Office of Workers' Compensation Programs (OWCP), a division of the US Department of Labor, was dragging its heels in providing aid for which Mr. Pepe qualified as a former federal employee severely injured in the course of his work. Specifically, the Pepe family sought help with upgrades to Mr. Pepe's living quarters like widened interior doors to accomodate a wheelchair and bathroom renovations, and a help with transportation so Mr Pepe could more easily go to his many doctors appointments. Schumer's office immediately began a long process of inquiries and pressure on the Office of Workers' Compensation Programs to provide Mr. Pepe with the help he needs.
Yesterday, Schumer received confirmation from Office of Workers' Compensation Programs that they have approved the modification of a wheelchair-equipped van for Mr. Pepe's use, and have already secured two bids on the project. (Federal acquisition rules generally require government agencies to get at least three competing bids for a project before one can be selected.)
The Office of Workers' Compensation Programs also told Schumer that they have approved upgrades to Mr. Pepe's home, and have also secured two bids on that project.
And the Office of Workers' Compensation Programs has already approved use of an ambulette for Mr. Pepe to use to travel to and from doctors appointments. In fact, Mr. Pepe's family reports that yesterday (Tuesday, July 6) Mr. Pepe was able to use an ambulette to visit the dentist for the first time in five years.
"Most of us dread going to the dentist, but for Louis Pepe it was the kind of thing that he dreamed about for years. After all Mr. Pepe has gone through, it's good to know that sometimes a faceless bureaucracy can have a heart," Schumer said.
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"he went out of the city once and saw some country people- he just couldn't believe them. I was dumbfounded when I heard this."
Shades of Barbara Boxer : )
I haven't heard of us beheading any of the terrorists. Short of that, go for it!
How many of you remember Matthews filling in for Rush one day during the Clinton scandal? I do and still want to know why Rush wanted him to do his show. Rush knew Matthews was putting Clinton through the grinder and would scold Clinton on the air, but somehow I believe Rush is regretting that day and thinking it's one of the worst mistakes he ever made.
To make a rational policy: torture should only be done to a prisoner when a general is present, an attorney is present and the whole episode is taped for review. If any person present goes outside established guidelines for torture, that person will be dishonorably discharged and criminally prosecuted. Torture must be rare, contained, and open to scrutiny.
Many have said that torture doesn't work - and with one person that's true. One person will tell you whatever you want to hear. But if you have 5 people, they'll all tell everything, but one of those things will be the truth. And that's why torture works. If you have enough people in the know, you'll get the information.
What information is worth torturing another human being for? It needs to be defined. And not by every sergeant working the night shift. It needs to be something on the level of "nuke going off in two days in New York". There's got to be some kind of probable cause too - some extraordinary reason why this group of prisoners has that unbelievably important information. Some reason a military judge would buy...
And that's it. One circumstance for torture is agreed to in order to stop "back alley" torture and to allow a way to save millions of Americans if that's what's called for...
I thought I was the only one who remembered that dark day.
I don't think we doing nearly enough, but the charlatans of the liberal-left will wait until another 9/11 or worse hits our people to complain that Bush didn't protect us, even though the Chrissy Mathews MSM demagogues were complaining and undermining us every step of the way in the war on terror. If we capture a known Al Qaeda or other terrorist and we DON'T squeeze them very hard for info on terror plots and associates then we are just being derelict in protecting our people, humanity, and civilization. I would give all captured terrorists a simple choice: barf up every possible bit of info NOW on their network and associates or be tossed in a shark tank (with very hungry sharks). If shown the alternative in vivid terms (movie clips of real and Hollyweird shark attacks should do the trick), I suspect even hardened Al Qaeda would fess up pretty soon. If not, we rid the earth of their filth.
Watching Chriisie is torture..
Same old Democrat mantra-"You all are too stupid to understand these things, that is why you need US to run them FOR you peons"
Has Chris Matthews ever watched the Nick Berg beheading video???
"Has Chris Matthews ever watched the Nick Berg beheading video???"
Probably only in the heat of the night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter
Carter's speech, written by MSNBC's Chris Matthews, was well-received, although some viewed it as too much like a sermon. The country was in the worst recession since the 1930s, with inflation and unemployment at record levels. But many who had hoped for more inspired leadership after the Ford administration found themselves disappointed. Two days after the speech, Carter asked for the resignations of all of his Cabinet officers, and ultimately accepted five. With no visible efforts towards a way out of the malaise, Carter's poll numbers dropped even further.
roflol!
I watched part of it only to realize why I never watched this program or others like it.
I was amazed at the lies that were coming out these peoples mouths and how Chrissy was just coaching their every word.
I only viewed this shortly just to see Matthews do his talking points for the Dems. What's new?-- and who can really take such an ignorant shill for the Dems seriously? Did you notice the ploy used by so many lib anchors? -- a discussion panel of five leftists who posture as "objective" journalists and pronounce their tendentious and biased opinions as though it's the Oracle of Delphi? I only watch such nonsense briefly until the humorous entertainment value of the buffoonery becomes deja vu -- which usually happens within 10 or 15 minutes.
poll for all
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