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Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom
Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times ^ | 11/13/5 | Bill Vidonic

Posted on 11/13/2005 3:49:41 PM PST by Crackingham

U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Saturday that he doesn't believe that intelligent design belongs in the science classroom. Santorum's comments to The Times are a shift from his position of several years ago, when he wrote in a Washington Times editorial that intelligent design is a "legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in the classroom."

But on Saturday, the Republican said that, "Science leads you where it leads you."

Santorum was in Beaver Falls to present Geneva College President Kenneth A. Smith with a $1.345 million check from federal funds for renovations that include the straightening and relocation of Route 18 through campus.

Santorum's comments about intelligent design come at a time when the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power, an alternative to the theory of evolution, has come under fire on several fronts.

A federal trial just wrapped up in which eight families sued Dover Area School District in eastern Pennsylvania. The district's school board members tried to introduce teaching intelligent design into the classroom, but the families said the policy violated the constitutional separation of church and state. No ruling has been issued on the trial, but Tuesday, all eight Dover School Board members up for re-election were ousted by voters, leading to a fiery tirade by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson.

Robertson warned residents, "If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city."

Santorum said flatly Saturday, "I disagree. I don't believe God abandons people," and said he has not spoken to Robertson about his comments.

Though Santorum said he believes that intelligent design is "a legitimate issue," he doesn't believe it should be taught in the classroom, adding that he had concerns about some parts of the theory.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 109th; creationism; crevolist; evilution; evolution; goddoodit; havemercyonusohlord; intelligentdesign; monkeygod; santorum; scienceeducation
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To: Crackingham

Vain weathervane.


21 posted on 11/13/2005 4:22:57 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: DoughtyOne

I hate to break the news to you, but evolution has been sustained as a scientific theory for 146 years. That's longer than most current scientific theories of physics and chemistry have been sustained.

Intelligent design has been sustained as a scientific theory for a grand total of zero years. To be clear, that's zero followed by an infinite number of zeros.


22 posted on 11/13/2005 4:24:03 PM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: Fruitbat

I've been leery of Santorum ever since he supported Scottish Law SPecter over Toomey.


23 posted on 11/13/2005 4:25:05 PM PST by Malacoda (Islam = deranged, evil suicide cult)
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To: marsh_of_mists

Lately? This pig eyed politician is not even liked by lots of committee people. He is singing the song that he thinks will get him elected.


24 posted on 11/13/2005 4:25:24 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: qam1
Too bad he learned a little too late that replacing science with mythology is a losing issue

Actually it is the other way around, since Darwinian origin is in fact pure religion, and the case for Intelligent Design is based in science. Hence Santorum is merely running with the shallow-thinking herd of hard-core secularists who oppose true science and open inquiry.

25 posted on 11/13/2005 4:26:05 PM PST by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I fail to see how Catholic automatically = pro-evolution.


26 posted on 11/13/2005 4:26:35 PM PST by Malacoda (Islam = deranged, evil suicide cult)
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To: DoughtyOne

Evolution is not faith based. It is the basis for modern biology.

Creationism, on the other hand, involves the supernatural and requires a tremendous amount of faith on the ancient scriptures.


27 posted on 11/13/2005 4:26:41 PM PST by sagar
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To: AntiGuv

You're arguing the wrong point. The real issue -- the one that will have consequence -- is what it looks like to the rest of the world, including the scientific and business communities, if a state adopts ID.


28 posted on 11/13/2005 4:27:22 PM PST by durasell
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29 posted on 11/13/2005 4:27:57 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: PatrickHenry

This “Theory Explained” for its “misuse” is common for the evolutionist. It is accurate but slick in its presentation. It leaves itself an out if you read it with the word phenomena.

Just because something is observable does not mean it is fully explainable. This is the wiggle room the evolutionist needs to keep their “theory” as the only acceptable form of knowledge describing our origin. Yet in all of this I have never heard why there can be laws of physics that had to be violated to make it possible. The 2nd law of thermodynamics had to be violated for the theory of evolution to move from idea to fact. Things had to go from disorder to order for it to have happened. Oh, I do get “explanations”, but they are point of view, not based upon the law they firmly believe in.


30 posted on 11/13/2005 4:28:45 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Crackingham

"Robertson warned residents, "If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city."

What an idiot.


31 posted on 11/13/2005 4:31:00 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: AntiGuv

There is no proof whatsoever that man evolved from a single celled organism. There are plenty of fairy tales, but when push comes to shove, it's nothing more than a pipe dream.

Those who have swallowed that pipe dream hook line and sinker are experiencing nothing more than a faith based experience.

Even definitive proof of how the one celled organism originated is up for grabs.


32 posted on 11/13/2005 4:31:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: PatrickHenry

LOL!

I love your world view table of replies. The flat earth folks thought the same way...they were closed minded on the subject all the while accusing others of the same.


33 posted on 11/13/2005 4:31:41 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: balrog666
You have been pung.

Spontaneously laughter and giggling. Thanks.

34 posted on 11/13/2005 4:33:05 PM PST by LogicWings
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To: qam1

Too bad for us conservatives that some in our ranks have decided to use a political forum to decide scientific issues. From my experience on these forums, those who push for the exclusion of evoution or the inclusion of ID or creationism in the curriculum, demonstrate a very limited understanding of, and education in, science. Then there are those who feel their religious faith is threatened by science...they are our equivlaent to the Taliban and, as such, represent a real scourge to the Conservative Movement.


35 posted on 11/13/2005 4:33:19 PM PST by Rudder
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To: WildTurkey
"What an idiot"

I have to agree. Who is Robertson to say such a thing because a few folks in a courtroom and on a school board have made such actions? I be a lot of folks in that area don't even know about this whole hub-bub.

36 posted on 11/13/2005 4:33:20 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: sagar

Evolution is a theory. The lineage of single cell to man is not a solid line. Evolution does occur. That is an observable fact. That still does not prove that man evolved by the theory of evolution. Therefore, anyone who believes in the theory is merely accepting it on faith.


37 posted on 11/13/2005 4:33:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Fruitbat

I guess Santorum doesn't want to be re-elected after all.


38 posted on 11/13/2005 4:34:20 PM PST by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Malacoda
I fail to see how Catholic automatically = pro-evolution.

This is a creo thread. On creo threads, Catholics are not even Christians.

39 posted on 11/13/2005 4:34:26 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: Rudder

LOL, stooping to calling others the Taliban are we? Very powerful arguement...


40 posted on 11/13/2005 4:35:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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