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A column about Kansas Science Standards
EducationNews.org ^ | November 14, 2005 | State Board Chairman Steve Abrams, DVM

Posted on 11/14/2005 8:06:26 AM PST by Exigence

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To: From many - one.

How have I limited God? That's a silly reply. The Bible says he created man in his image. I didn't think it up.


251 posted on 11/15/2005 8:53:57 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

229 posted on 11/15/2005 8:23:59 AM PST by mlc9852
This was my question. You did not answer it.

To: mlc9852
What if they say "God is the Creator of all life"
and
"I also believe in evolution"
230 posted on 11/15/2005 8:24:19 AM PST by From many - one.

This is what you purport to be a reply:

"To: From many - one.
Can you believe God created Adam and Eve as complete humans and also believe humans descended from an ape-like creature?
232 posted on 11/15/2005 8:25:40 AM PST by mlc9852"

It's not a reply, just another comment unrelated to the question.

Since that's troll behavionr, we're done for today.


252 posted on 11/15/2005 8:54:54 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: mlc9852

Non-response. See my prior post re trolls.


253 posted on 11/15/2005 8:56:51 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: MeanWestTexan

There are many times I think it's half baked.


254 posted on 11/15/2005 9:05:25 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: From many - one.

"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." (John 4:24 -- Christ speaking)

Notable physical/visible manifestations of God (called Theophanies):

Various physical, apparently man or angel-like appearances in Genesis, not well-described.

Exodus:

. . And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

He also appeared as a pillar of smoke/flame

Burning Bush

Appeared in the form of an angel

As a dis-embodied hand to a poor shmuck who thought it would be OK to have a dinner party with the Temple gold dishes (during Babylonian captivity).

Various times a "light" "smoke" and the like.

Basically, His "image" is beyond our understanding, and is, at least, tri-partite.

Jesus explained this bit to the Sadduces who were trying to trip him up on marriage question. (If a widow remarries, who would she be married to in Heaven. Christ's answer: No one -- it does not work that way in heaven; you'll be like angels, who apparently work by different rules.)


255 posted on 11/15/2005 9:08:43 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Exigence
This is taken, directly, from the new Kansas State Standards:
f. The view that living things in all the major kingdoms are modified descendants of a common ancestor (described in the pattern of a branching tree) has been challenged in recent years by:
i. Discrepancies in the molecular evidence (e.g., differences in relatedness inferred from sequence studies of different proteins) previously thought to support that view.
ii. A fossil record that shows sudden bursts of increased complexity (the Cambrian Explosion), long periods of stasis and the absence of abundant transitional forms rather than steady gradual increases in complexity, and
iii. Studies that show animals follow different rather than identical early stages of embryological development.

Breathtaking. And this will pass for science in Kansas.

256 posted on 11/15/2005 9:09:15 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: VadeRetro

The sun might shine there, but if his head's buried?


257 posted on 11/15/2005 9:09:20 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

How about a "spiritual" image?


258 posted on 11/15/2005 9:10:28 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws

Bingo.


259 posted on 11/15/2005 9:12:56 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan

Probably why "Thou shalt make no graven image"...to prevent just such nonsense as God looking like an old white male sitting on a cloud, or young ill favoured semitic male (I don't have time to track it but Jesus wasn't supposed to be pretty), or a handsome bearded young man looking skyward.


260 posted on 11/15/2005 9:24:20 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: mlc9852
"Don't you find it strange that after generations being taught the TOE, the majority still aren't buying it? Wonder why?"

Not really. I know why most people in the US don't believe the ToE. They have fallen prey to unscrupulous snake oil salesmen that fill their heads with misinformation about the ToE.

261 posted on 11/15/2005 9:25:21 AM PST by b_sharp (Ad space for rent.)
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To: b_sharp

"fill their heads with misinformation about the ToE."

Such as?


262 posted on 11/15/2005 9:29:33 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Some few anti-evo points of misinformation:

The difference between micro and macro-evolution is of type not degree.
The 2LoT prevents biological complexity
The genome refutes common descent
There is a limit to the degree of change in a population
There was a Cambrian explosion and it was unique.
There are no transitional fossils. There should be millions of fossils showing gradual change.
There should be large saltation events occurring in extant species.

There are piles more that can be viewed at talkorigins.org
263 posted on 11/15/2005 9:59:38 AM PST by b_sharp (Ad space for rent.)
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To: b_sharp

The Cambrian explosion wasn't unique?


264 posted on 11/15/2005 10:03:11 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
So you equate humans with mice?

What an absurd response. I'll agree with Dimensio, you're shamelessly dishonest. No one could be quite that stupid, could they?

If someone said "Males exist. Females exist. Automobiles exist. Pigs exist." I'm sure you would say "So you equate men with pigs?"
265 posted on 11/15/2005 10:31:07 AM PST by aNYCguy
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To: MeanWestTexan
So maybe the Hindus have a point. We are supposed to progress spiritually until we become one with the deity?

It is awful hard to picture God with a bad appendix, blown knee ligaments, hemorrhoids, bad vision, ulcers and Alzheimer's.
266 posted on 11/15/2005 10:32:53 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: From many - one.

Chicken.


267 posted on 11/15/2005 10:35:58 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: aNYCguy

Do you believe humans are nothing more than well-evolved apes?


268 posted on 11/15/2005 10:37:41 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Exigence

The main thing I see is that the Author suffers from a Surplus of Capital letters.


269 posted on 11/15/2005 10:38:32 AM PST by Gone GF
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To: aNYCguy
I'll agree with Dimensio, you're shamelessly dishonest.

Hey, I'm just the messenger. mlc9852 openly admitted it before I said anything.
270 posted on 11/15/2005 11:26:33 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: furball4paws

I don't know about the unity thing. That is pretty well contrary to the Scripture.

For one, the Resurrection is expressly bodily -- now how bodily,

And of course, Jesus (who is a facet of God) was fully man, and that includes all the "joys" of being a human from Acid reflux to Zits.


271 posted on 11/15/2005 11:36:32 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan

Well the unity business is a Hindu thing, but "made in a spiritual image of God" seems to me that when we go to Heaven we become one with God. Sometimes the similarity of religious thought around the world starting from different precepts is quite interesting.


272 posted on 11/15/2005 12:38:27 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
It is awful hard to picture God with a bad appendix, blown knee ligaments, hemorrhoids, bad vision, ulcers and Alzheimer's.

You want a design flaw? How about intractable pain, which serves no useful purpose but with no way to turn it down or off? Certainly not an example of good design there.

273 posted on 11/15/2005 1:57:31 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

I've been considering a list of bad or at least non-ideal or non-intelligent designs. PH doesn't have such a list, or didn't a while back.

Think it's worthwhile to compile such a thing?


274 posted on 11/15/2005 2:34:40 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
Think it's worthwhile to compile such a thing?

Sure--we're a mess! Knees, lower back...

275 posted on 11/15/2005 2:37:16 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
You want a design flaw? How about intractable pain, which serves no useful purpose but with no way to turn it down or off? Certainly not an example of good design there.

You're forgetting, all the design flaws didn't happen until the Fall...

276 posted on 11/15/2005 3:06:19 PM PST by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: Quark2005

Also, aren't the flaws a result of degeneration into increased entropy as a result of the second law of thermodynamics?


277 posted on 11/15/2005 3:23:50 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry
MR. GILLEN: Your Honor, I have one question, and that's this: By my reckoning, this is the 40th day since the trial began and tonight will be the 40th night, and I would like to know if you did that on purpose.

THE COURT: Mr. Gillen, that is an interesting coincidence, but it was not by design. (Laughter and applause.) With that, I declare the trial portion of this extended case adjourned.

LOL

278 posted on 11/15/2005 3:46:36 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Liberal Classic
THE COURT: Mr. Gillen, that is an interesting coincidence, but it was not by design. (Laughter and applause.) With that, I declare the trial portion of this extended case adjourned.

The most telling part of that incident does not appear in the transcript, but rather in news accounts of the incident. The "laughter and applause" reportedly lasted 15 seconds. That's an eternity in comedic terms. The judge's closing quip put a defining exclamation point on how silly the premise of the design argument is, and represented a knife through the heart of the defense's case.

279 posted on 11/15/2005 5:52:03 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Dimensio
Also, aren't the flaws a result of degeneration into increased entropy as a result of the second law of thermodynamics?

Exactly. All the laws of nature are a divine gift except the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics - that's a punishment for talking to snakes.

280 posted on 11/15/2005 7:14:20 PM PST by Quark2005 (Science aims to elucidate. Pseudoscience aims to obfuscate.)
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To: Exigence
In our Science Curriculum Standards, we called this micro-evolution and macro-evolution… changes within kinds and changing from one kind to another.

No creationism to see here!

281 posted on 11/16/2005 7:22:27 AM PST by Youngblood
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