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Senator Jay Rockefeller Gave Syria Advance Warning Of Iraq War Intentions! (FNS Transcript)
Fox News Sunday (Transcript) ^ | 14 November 2005

Posted on 11/14/2005 11:13:59 AM PST by Stultis

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To: omega4179

Because they're Democrats. They make the same mistake over and over and over.


181 posted on 11/14/2005 4:55:27 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: Stultis
Great catch.

Jay disclosed GWB's "secret plan" to a supporter-nation of terrorism, but didn't tell U.S. citizens. He can't justify himself to Left or Right.

The guy is so full of himself he doesn't realize the impact of what he is saying. Is anyone getting this out in the Big Ether?
182 posted on 11/14/2005 4:58:02 PM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: Iowa Granny
I understand Treason is a Federal Crime and that only the Senate can discipline him.

In general, it is possible for a Senator to commit treason - in fact, it is possible for a President to commit treason.

If a Senator commits treason, he can be tried in the ordinary way. Their priviledge is not absolute.

Clause 1: The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

U.S. Const. Art. I, sec. 6, cl. 2

The priviledge against arrest is to prevet the executive from asserting control over congress by physical force. The priviledge of speech on the floor of COngress is to not chill any political rhetoric whatsoever. To the extent Congress can't be trusted with secrets, the executive can keep the secrets.

183 posted on 11/14/2005 5:01:30 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Stultis

I called the demonrat cloakroom and asked if that was the phone Rockefeller used to call his friends in Syria to give them our war secrets.


184 posted on 11/14/2005 5:02:31 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Cboldt
I see things a bit differently. The Clintons had a stated foreign policy of "equalize all nations" and with their election loss by algore in 2000, I think they went into panic mode.


There were some key events that occurred during the Clintons administration that sent the signal to the world that we were already operating under a "mush doctrine" while touting a "preemptive strike doctrine".

From your link (and thank you for it) seems a bit strange there is concern to rehabilitate our creditability over such doctrine.

What cannot be ignored in all this is the international community under the UN and that would include US, were saying one thing resolving against Saddam over and over again, at the same time the UN was orchestrating from the other side of its mouth that corrupt scam of "Oil for rotten Food" program. There can be little doubt that the Clinton/State department were aware of that scam.

Now our liberals seem to have lost direction for some months over that 2000 election loss, as it appears they never planned for the possibility of what they would do if they lost. So obsessed they were over that loss they seemed to have forgotten "superpower" status, and were all about creating every possible roadblock to a smooth transition.

Personally I believe that Rockey's leaked memo came about after the mid-term 2002 elections, they lost big time and were forced to loose what they demanded most "union" status in the homeland security formation. While we do not know when it was formulated the usage of the word "majority party" points to after the 2002 election.
185 posted on 11/14/2005 5:07:48 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Peach
We need a plan. An activist plan. Petitions. Phone calls. Letters.
I'm serious as a heart attack. This can not stand.

Count me in, I'm still stunned.

186 posted on 11/14/2005 5:14:20 PM PST by Fudd Fan (God bless President Bush! (Proud member of the Water Bucket Brigade - MOOSEMUSS!)
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To: jw777
Democrats open new store.

Traitors R' Us

Jay Rockefeller & John Kerry, Proprietors

187 posted on 11/14/2005 5:18:02 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: Cboldt; Iowa Granny; Stultis

Great reply regarding the exact wording of the priviledges of Senators. In the case of Jay Rockefeller, he should be tried as a traitor, found guilty and then hung on the national mall. He is our current Benedict Arnold; but, like Sandy Burgler, he will probably not even be indicted, but instead get off free despite his disclosing his personal thoughts to the heads of state of Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt which puts our troops in danger. He is certainly no patriot. Isn't he the one on the senate intel committee that had authored a report to politicize intelligence to make the administration look bad - and some Republican staffer found that memo on their web site and pulled it off - and nothing was done about that either if I have not gotten confused in my old age about who did what. The Democratic Party antagonists seem more to want to embarass our President, administration and troops instead of holding together in a time of international crisis. Guess we are going to need another swift kick in the ass to get people together, to become a united nation again "Under God." Or we could send the good senator to france and see if he can work out their problems with his traitorous strategy. . . . . like Ted Kennedy, he does not know when to sit down and shut the hell up.


188 posted on 11/14/2005 5:20:30 PM PST by Ironmajor (JAY ROCKEFELLER, TRAITOR)
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To: Stultis

Unreal.


189 posted on 11/14/2005 5:23:12 PM PST by rintense
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To: Cboldt; Ironmajor

Thanks for that info Cboldt.

NOW. I'm still looking for an answer to the question: WHO files the charges? (which was my original question, altho I must have failed miserably in phrasing it, since noone has answered)

My 'guess' is that the House has to vote before sending it to the Senate for the trial. Similar to impreachment.


190 posted on 11/14/2005 5:29:27 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Mo1

This gives me a squeeze stomach...who are these pods?


After all his brothers did start the UN, CFR, G7, Jekyll Island etc!


191 posted on 11/14/2005 5:33:13 PM PST by restornu (me and my Ghost tracking Chimeras down the ave!)
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To: Iowa Granny
I'm still looking for an answer to the question: WHO files the charges?

Treason of a Senator would be prosecuted by the executive apparatus, indicted by the competent DA or equivalent, and tried in an Article III court. When the charge is treason, the Senator can be arrested, incarcerated, tried, convicted and sentenced.

It's most likely that the Senate would expel a member who was convicted of treason.

192 posted on 11/14/2005 5:35:01 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Iowa Granny
I'm still looking for an answer to the question: WHO files the charges?

Treason of a Senator would be prosecuted by the executive apparatus, indicted by the competent DA or equivalent, and tried in an Article III court. When the charge is treason, the Senator can be arrested, incarcerated, tried, convicted and sentenced.

It's most likely that the Senate would expel a member who was convicted of treason.

My 'guess' is that the House has to vote before sending it to the Senate for the trial. Similar to impreachment.

Nope. Has noting whatsoever to do with the House. The Hosue/Senate interplay comes in for impeachment of executive (President or Officers) and judicial appointments. Impeachment is the legislatures power (the voice of the people) against an over-reaching, incompetent, or otherwise unqualified executive or judge.

193 posted on 11/14/2005 5:37:37 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Ironmajor
Isn't he the one on the senate intel committee that had authored a report to politicize intelligence to make the administration look bad

You mean like this one?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1036187/posts

194 posted on 11/14/2005 5:40:54 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: Cboldt

Thank you so very much.

I'm not sure I still totally 'get it'. But as long as I know it doesn't work like Impeachment I feel like I've learned something.


195 posted on 11/14/2005 5:42:43 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny
I'm not sure I still totally 'get it'.

How would YOU get handled, if YOU were guilty of treason? Whatever that is, a Senator would get the same treatment. Indicted, arrested and put on trial.

There isn't much to "get." ;-)

196 posted on 11/14/2005 5:46:22 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Iowa Granny

Not knowing who could file the charges, can't any of us hire a lawyer and file charges - of course, if we could afford it? What would prevent me, a private citizen, to hire a lawyer and file charges against Jay Rockefeller? Does anyone know of any restrictions on that?


197 posted on 11/14/2005 5:49:31 PM PST by Ironmajor (JAY ROCKEFELLER, TRAITOR)
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To: Cboldt; Ironmajor
There isn't much to "get." ;-)

You MAY have overestimated me!

I was trying to make it some complicated procedure. Who'd have ever thought it could be so simple as hiring a lawyer and suing the bejesus out of him?

American. Whatta Country!

198 posted on 11/14/2005 5:55:35 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: omega4179

Stupidity, stupidity, stupidity.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.


199 posted on 11/14/2005 5:59:16 PM PST by sport
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To: Iowa Granny
I was trying to make it some complicated procedure. Who'd have ever thought it could be so simple as hiring a lawyer and suing the bejesus out of him?

LOL. Well, one small, teensy-tiny problem. The average street lawer isn't able to file criminal charges. "You" suing "him" is limited to civil charges, which is always measured in money damages. If you want somebody locked up, you start with the police, or the IRS, or ... well, you get the idea, somebody in law enforcement brings the criminal charges.

200 posted on 11/14/2005 6:00:40 PM PST by Cboldt
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