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Research On Ancient Writing Linked With Modern Mideast Conflict
The State ^ | 11-14-2005 | Ron Grossman

Posted on 11/14/2005 1:25:30 PM PST by blam

Posted on Sun, Nov. 13, 2005

Research on ancient writing linked with modern Mideast conflict

BY RON GROSSMAN

CHICAGO - Professorial colleagues think Ron Tappy has made a landmark breakthrough in our understanding of the world of the Bible. He himself is waiting for the other shoe to drop.

This week, Tappy will formally unveil his discovery at the meetings of the American Schools of Oriental Research. Normally a presentation titled "The 2005 Excavation Season at Tel Zayit, with Special Attention to the Tenth Century BCE" would hardly be noticed beyond the scholars who will gather at the Hyatt Penn's Landing hotel in Philadelphia.

This year's convention, though, has the potential for a media circus. Narrowly, Tappy's research involves the history of writing. He apparently has found a missing link in the evolution of the alphabet.

Because he found it in the Holy Land, his lecture will raise tempers. Archaeologists generally are gentle folk. But biblical studies imperceptibly shade over from scholarly pursuits to modern-day passions inflamed by contemporary struggles of Israelis and Palestinians. One camp, "the maximalists" implies the other harbors anti-Semites. The "minimalists," in turn, charge their accusers with confusing Zionism with scholarship.

"In the Middle East, you can start a mini war over who got there first," said William G. Dever, professor emeritus of the University of Arizona and a fierce opponent of the minimalists. "This isn't about ancient Israel. It's about modern Israel and the Palestinians."

Philip Davies, professor emeritus at the University of Sheffield in England, is generally considered the founding father of the minimalists - most of whom are European-based. He is coming to the Philadelphia meetings prepared for battle with his American colleagues.

"When I fly the Atlantic, I feel like a gladiator," Davies said. "Tappy's research is going to be a football, kicked around from one side to the other."

Over the summer, Tappy was excavating at Tel Zayit, an archaeological site southwest of Jerusalem, with his scholarly partners, P. Kyle McCarter of Johns Hopkins University, Bruce Zuckerman of the University of Southern California and Marilyn Lundberg of the West Semitic Research Project. He noticed a stone inscribed with letters on an ancient wall. They didn't form words but were arraigned in alphabetical order. He realized they connected the biblical age with the contemporary world.

"A word printed in a book today is linked to the scribes who worked on that stone," said Tappy, a professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary.

Scholars have long recognized that alphabetical writing was a one-time invention. It was created by the Phoenicians, who lived in what now is Lebanon. The Greeks borrowed it from them. The Romans picked it up from the Greeks, and the Latin alphabet became the writing vehicle of the European peoples and their overseas colonies from the New World to Australia. To the East, the Phoenicians' invention became the basis for writing Arabic and languages of India and Southeast Asia.

But until now, scholars couldn't see the process by which the Phoenicians' breakthrough was adopted by other ancient peoples. Tappy's stone seems to supply the missing evidence: Phoenician letters used to represent an early form of the Hebrew language. Tappy dates the site to the 10th century B.C.

And there's the scholarly - and the political - rub. By the Old Testament account, the 10th century was an era of the great kings David and Solomon, who built a mighty temple in Jerusalem. To Israeli nationalists, that version of the story gives their cause title to the Holy Land.

But minimalist scholars think the biblical account inflated; they argue that, in the 10th century, the Hebrews were wandering tribes, not nation or temple builders.

That account suits Palestinian nationalists just fine, because they claim Jerusalem as theirs.

"The minimalists argue that the ancient Hebrews didn't know how to write, so they couldn't have had a real state, a kingdom," noted Hershel Shanks, editor of Biblical Archeology Review. "But Tappy's discovery shows they were already writing in an outlying settlement. Imagine what you must have had in Jerusalem."

Tappy - who considers himself a mild maximalist - is bemused by the battles swirling around him. He still is on a scholarly high from his initial reaction to that alphabet on a wall at Tel Zayit.

"What a giant leap forward for humans, I thought," he said. "I was speechless. I realized the irony: Here were all the letters of the alphabet, and I couldn't put two or three together to make a single word."


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1 posted on 11/14/2005 1:25:31 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 11/14/2005 1:26:03 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

looks like an interesting read

bump for later


3 posted on 11/14/2005 1:28:23 PM PST by Zeppelin (Stop Global Warming. Shut a Liberal's Mouth.)
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To: blam

WOW! That is fantastic! Pictures?


4 posted on 11/14/2005 1:33:22 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: blam

If one is to believe that primal urges would be the first ones to get expressed, then the oldest inscriptions would be [by content] not alphabets but what we would now see as graffiti, of more or less unprintable nature.


5 posted on 11/14/2005 1:35:01 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Lurking Libertarian
pingtika
6 posted on 11/14/2005 1:37:07 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: blam

Cool!


7 posted on 11/14/2005 1:38:12 PM PST by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote.)
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To: blam
Since I never subscribed to the theory of evolution, I believe man's immediately-created intelligence allowed a written language to begin very rapidly. And probably the first letter ever written was by a woman reminding her hunter/gatherer man that he'll be sleeping on the rock bed unless he comes home with plush red fox fur instead of dull gray wolf. :o)
8 posted on 11/14/2005 1:49:25 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: BibChr

todah, yedidi.


9 posted on 11/14/2005 2:03:28 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: TruthConquers
WOW! That is fantastic! Pictures?

No. Actual letters.

10 posted on 11/14/2005 3:15:01 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: TheCrusader
Since I never subscribed to the theory of evolution, I believe man's immediately-created intelligence allowed a written language to begin very rapidly

That's an odd argument. Both evolution and Biblical history have man living and working at his present full intelligence level during the earliest history of writing 8-10,000 years ago.

11 posted on 11/14/2005 3:18:04 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...

PHOENICIAN ALPHABET


Comparison between the Proto-Canaanite, Phoenician, and Greek alphabets.

Proto-Hebrew/Early Aramaic alphabet

What this all means? I don't have a clue, but I'm guessing we'll see a lot of arguments breaking out over it. Regardless, it's quite interesting :-)

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12 posted on 11/14/2005 3:29:31 PM PST by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: Just mythoughts

pm


13 posted on 11/14/2005 3:37:46 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: NYer
You forgot:


14 posted on 11/14/2005 3:38:05 PM PST by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: TheCrusader

You confuse a hypothesis with a theory. Regardless of how ideas as such originate, the process of scientific discovery and verification --never complete-- requires, first, formulating a TESTABLE hypothesis. Second, one designs requisite experiments, always objective/rational/empirical, capable of affirming or falsifying the hypothesis. Third, all experimental outcomes, including null-results and detailed backup data, MUST be reported to "juries of one's peers" in such a form that the empirically-verified hypothesis can be DUPLICATED by disinterested experts in the field.

This process requires a philosophy of the Natural World-- that reality is intelligible, amenable to human study, and above all worth studying. It requires an empirical, experimental method-- detailed hypotheses, notes, nothing cryptic or hidden, and especially no appeals to supernatural forces or to "authority" in whatever form. Finally, the peer-review process must take place in PUBLIC; arguments pro and con must not only address the experimental issue at hand, but do so in context of existing scientific theories-- perpetual motion machines, psychic emanations, contradictory mathematical formulations are out of bounds.

Science does not say, "This is reality" or "We know ABC is true". We only state, our hypothesis has been verified by empirical means available, vetted by impartial experts in the field. Then, and only then, is there a Theory, complete and consistent in and of itself. Major Theories (Newton's gravitation, Darwin's Natural Selection, Quantum Theory as evolved) are virtually never invalidated, merely seen as incomplete in larger contexts.

"Intelligent Design" in biology is a phony issue. What proponents mean is VOLITION, a set of "willed" outcomes that violate thermodynamics, symmetry, eco-systemic contexts on all fronts. It is not even logically coherent: Assume a transcendent Immanence that creates all things, and only those things, which do not create themselves. Does this Immanence create itself? The response will be to denigrate the paradox as "mere logic" and so on... exactly right. This classic Paradox of Contradictory Self-reference originated with Epimenides some 2400 years ago; it brought down Bertand Russell's "Principia Mathematica"; and only by resort to unreasoning preconception is it ignored today.

"ID" is a form of Creationism. Believe what you choose, but do not call it Science. The fact that sectarians wrap themselves in empiricism's mantle, confusing hypothetical exercises with validated theoretical outcomes, shows not only that they are ignorant of fact, but heedless of the philosophical and methodological traditions they invoke.

Formulate a testable ID hypothesis (if "intelligence" is more than words). Propose an ID Experiment, and report an outcome duplicable in public, within existing parameters of what generations prove. An all-powerful Old Man with white whiskers, dwelling beyond Space and Time, stirs His quantum pot with a relativistic finger... a bit much, no? So how else does ID operate?

Alas, reality triumphs every time. But meanwhile, what a diversion of energies to wanton ends!



15 posted on 11/14/2005 4:18:15 PM PST by Pyrthroes (Dwelling in Possibility)
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To: ElkGroveDan

No, silly, pictures of the engraving. Of course they're letters.


16 posted on 11/14/2005 6:39:40 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: Pyrthroes; TheCrusader
Science does not say, "This is reality" or "We know ABC is true".

This may or may not be so but all to often some scientists take themselves way too seriously and should remember that not only does science not know that "ABC" is true, it must also recognize the possibility that "DEFGH" might be also true until proven otherwise.

There are so many competing thoughts in so many areas. When one hides behind the shield of "science" to breathlessly proselytize an unproven belief against another of at least equal merit, it becomes the expression of religion, not science.

Hypotheses come and theories go. Science once thought the world to be flat and that baths in radioactive water were good for a person.

My advice to such scientists is: stick to science, as there is plenty of work to do and leave theology to theologians as science is never going to figure it out. Evolutionary fundamentalists just give science a bad name with some of their extraordinary leaps of faith, such faith as to humble the most devout of Christians or Muslims.

At least, the their credit, the evolutionary zealots haven't started crashing planes into buildings yelling Darwin-Akbar. . . At least not yet.

17 posted on 11/14/2005 6:42:18 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: TruthConquers
WOW! That is fantastic! Pictures?

Ron Tappy will be reporting his findings to the ASOR on Thursday morning, 8:30-10:30 am. Expect photos to be released then. If you don't see them in your newspaper, I'm sure they'll be in an upcoming Biblical Archaeology Review.

18 posted on 11/14/2005 6:49:56 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal

Thank You!


19 posted on 11/14/2005 6:51:35 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: blam

Great find. Thanks for posting it.


20 posted on 11/14/2005 7:12:39 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: blam
This site seems to be a couple of miles east or NE of Kiryat Gat, which appears to be at or near the site of the Philistine city of Gath, the home town of Goliath. I doubt you can tell from someone writing the alphabet in order what his religion was, whether he was an Israelite of the tribe of Judah, or a Philistine.

In Acts 8.26 there is a reference to the road that runs from Jerusalem to Gaza. That apparently ran a few miles south of Tel Zayit.

21 posted on 11/14/2005 7:25:26 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Dajjal
Thanks.

Hopefully I'll be able to post a thread about the proceedings, etc.

22 posted on 11/14/2005 7:53:01 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
This ASOR meeting is one facet of the big American Academy of Religion / Society of Biblical Literature annual convention, this year in Philly. It will make the press to some degree. Remember a few years back when the big news of the conference was that "James brother of Jesus" ossuary that all the scholars gathered to examine and discuss? I doubt if this finding will make as big a splash, but there should be some ripples in the news media.

(BTW, in case any readers of this thread don't recall, the ossuary was eventually proved to be a hoax. The owner was arrested and I believe is awaiting trial in Isarel.)

23 posted on 11/14/2005 8:01:07 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Pyrthroes
"We only state, our hypothesis has been verified by empirical means available, vetted by impartial experts in the field. Then, and only then, is there a Theory, complete and consistent in and of itself."

Care to cast an hypothesis on why public schools, (and most other conduits of the liberal agenda), teach the doctrine of evolution without explaining to people that empirical research on evolution is impossible, and that there is no universal consensus amongst scientists on the subject?

Theories are fine with me, so long as those who espouse them do so with the proper disclaimers and caveats. Unfortunately, such is almost never the case when 'science' is fed to public education institutions and promoted through the liberal mass media. In fact, I believe that many 'scientists' will willfully advance their personal and political agendas by substituting junk science for the real thing.

24 posted on 11/14/2005 9:07:04 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"Both evolution and Biblical history have man living and working at his present full intelligence level during the earliest history of writing 8-10,000 years ago."

I believe that Biblical history takes man back about 6,000 years or so. Many evolutionists take man's origin back millions of years.

That both sides would agree that man had full intellectual powers six thousand years ago means absolutely nothing to the debate. (Though to people of faith there is no 'debate' about creation).

'Debate' about man's origin only occurs when those who attempt, with junk science, to disprove the Bible's teaching. Though the theory of 'evolution' is unobservable and utterly impossible to recreate, it is advanced like some sort of secular catechsis or unassailable doctrine.

25 posted on 11/14/2005 9:22:07 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: blam
Thanks Blam.

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26 posted on 11/14/2005 9:36:16 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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Epigraphy and Language
A Is for Ancient, Describing an Alphabet Found Near Jerusalem
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New York Times | 11/9/05 | John Noble Wilford
In the 10th century B.C., in the hill country south of Jerusalem, a scribe carved his A B C's on a limestone boulder - actually, his aleph-beth-gimel's, for the string of letters appears to be an early rendering of the emergent Hebrew alphabet. Archaeologists digging in July at the site, Tel Zayit, found the inscribed stone in the wall of an ancient building. After an analysis of the layers of ruins, the discoverers concluded that this was the earliest known specimen of the Hebrew alphabet and an important benchmark in the history of writing, they said this week. If they...
 

Israelite Alphabet May Have Been Found
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Associated Press | 11/09/04
Two lines of an alphabet have been found inscribed in a stone in Israel, offering what some scholars say is the most solid evidence yet that the ancient Israelites were literate as early as the 10th century B.C. "This is very rare. This stone will be written about for many years to come," archaeologist Ron E. Tappy, a professor at the Pittsburgh Theological Seminary who made the discovery, said Wednesday. "This makes it very historically probable there were people in the 10th century (B.C.) who could write." Christopher Rollston, a professor of Semitic studies at Emmanuel School of Religion in...
 

27 posted on 11/14/2005 9:37:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: TheCrusader
That both sides would agree that man had full intellectual powers six thousand years ago means absolutely nothing to the debate.

Actually it makes your earlier argument moot:

Since I never subscribed to the theory of evolution, I believe man's immediately-created intelligence allowed a written language to begin very rapidly

Both you and those who accept evolution agree that man had full and complete intelligence 6,000 years ago. So any concept of "gradual intelligence" is totally unrelated to the orgins of writing.

28 posted on 11/14/2005 10:51:22 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"Both you and those who accept evolution agree that man had full and complete intelligence 6,000 years ago. So any concept of "gradual intelligence" is totally unrelated to the orgins of writing"

Based on your replies, I think you're either responding to the wrong person or have a real intellectual deficit.

Evolutionists claim man is millions of years old, and developed intellectual abilities only gradually. Creationists, which I agree with, claim man is roughly 6,000 years old and possessed high intellectual capabilities and reason from the very beginning of their creation.

On the subject of the first letter of the first alphabet, I believe the first 'letter' of an alphabet was created when the first man fashioned a symbol on a tree or the earth to warn his fellow tribesman of some local, inherent danger, and it became the accepted symbol to communicate danger amongst each other, in 'writing'. Or it occurred when he first carved a mark (symbol) on a tree to help him remember directions, or to warn other tribes not to trespass. One could even take origins of writing back to God Himself, who created the earth and hence created the 'tracks' of animals which symbolized they were present, told which species and how many, and explained where they were heading.

It's all very interesting and edifying to learn and speculate about this stuff, but it's even more interesting to watch the evolutionists and scientists' blood pressure rise as they toil and sweat to 'prove' their little theories and drive their agenda, rather than just present their findings and let the chips fall where they may.

29 posted on 11/15/2005 11:06:54 AM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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To: TheCrusader
Based on your replies, I think you're either responding to the wrong person or have a real intellectual deficit.

Go back and read you first post again. It isn't relative to this discussion. As for the intellectual deficit, that's what liberals do. Claim people are stupid when they are the ones that don't understand the discussion. You give Crusaders a bad name.

30 posted on 11/15/2005 11:39:34 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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