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Driver in Bus Blast Avoids Indictment
washington post ^ | 11/14/05 | AP

Posted on 11/14/2005 9:53:32 PM PST by txroadkill

DALLAS -- A grand jury declined Monday to indict a bus driver in connection with the deaths of 23 passengers killed in a fire that destroyed the vehicle as they fled Hurricane Rita in September.

The Dallas County Sheriff's Office had forwarded to the district attorney 23 cases of criminally negligent homicide to consider against Juan Robles Gutierrez, 37, a Mexican immigrant.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliencrimes; aliens; bus; fire; immigrantlist; rita

1 posted on 11/14/2005 9:53:32 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: txroadkill

This was probably just; however, the bus company faces serious civil problems due to poor equipment.


2 posted on 11/14/2005 9:55:55 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

I don't see how they can charge the people that leased the bus either.


3 posted on 11/14/2005 9:57:45 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: clee1

I think they may be facing Criminal charges


4 posted on 11/14/2005 9:58:07 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: clee1

I'm glad the Grand Jury didn't indict him. I was horrified when he was arrested.


5 posted on 11/14/2005 10:02:33 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: txroadkill
Officials at the Mexican Consulate in Houston expect Robles to be released on bond by Tuesday. He has been detained as a material witness in the investigation and still faces immigration charges for being in the United States illegally.

Doing one of those jobs ....

6 posted on 11/14/2005 10:08:20 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: CindyDawg

If, as was reported, the wheels and brakes were throwing off sparks, which ignited the O2-rich atmosphere in the bus; the prosecutor can make a case for neglegent homicide, or an attorney can make a case that the company didn't exercise due caution.

Whatever. In any case, this wasn't the driver's fault.


7 posted on 11/14/2005 10:09:45 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: txroadkill
Glad to hear it, I've always been disturbed by the LEO tactic of arresting someone and charging them with a crime that they know won't stick when it goes before a grand jury.

Let's face it, a person can be arrested at any time, based on trumped up charges...all for the purpose of putting you in some database for later reference. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

8 posted on 11/14/2005 10:10:11 PM PST by CrawDaddyCA (There is no such thing as a fair fight. Thou shall win at all costs!!)
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To: txroadkill

Maybe. If anyone is to blame here, it is the owner of the bus; not the driver.


9 posted on 11/14/2005 10:10:24 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1
absolutely, I remember hearing earlier that that bus had failed inspection so the owners put plates on it from another bus.

While I was in college, I worked for a Limo company here in Dallas and worked with a lot of those bus companies and almost none of the drivers were licensed or even trained to drive those motor coaches.

10 posted on 11/14/2005 10:22:46 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: CrawDaddyCA

I don't know. At first I agreed with you, but aren't commercial drivers responsible for their vechicles? Of course he was an illegal, so probably wasn't properly licensed for driving a bus.


11 posted on 11/14/2005 10:35:21 PM PST by sharkhawk (Play me a dirge matey)
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To: sharkhawk

Both the driver and the owner are responsible.


12 posted on 11/14/2005 11:17:22 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: CindyDawg

I don't see how they can charge the people that leased the bus either.
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The modern American "justice" system. The cardinal rule is someone must always be at fault so LEO and lawyers can strut in front of cameras.

For example, had the bus driver refused to evacuate the people because he felt their oxygen tanks were unsafe and some of the died in the storm, the likely would have taken charges to the grand jury for that. The key is that in modern anti-capitalist America if you are in business you must be guilty of something, how else could you be making money not as a lawyer.


13 posted on 11/14/2005 11:28:30 PM PST by JLS
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To: clee1
the bus company faces serious civil problems due to poor equipment.

From what I understand, it wasn't the bus company's fault at all. The explosion happened because of the the oxygen containers belonging to some of the patients. I don't know what caused them to blow, but AFAIK, it didn't have anything to do with the bus, the bus company, or the driver.

14 posted on 11/14/2005 11:31:54 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: txroadkill

Prosecutors in this country are worse than the criminals.


15 posted on 11/14/2005 11:40:50 PM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: SuziQ
The explosion happened because of the the oxygen containers belonging to some of the patients. I don't know what caused them to blow, but AFAIK, it didn't have anything to do with the bus, the bus company, or the driver.

Yes, you are correct - you don't know what caused this fatal fire. One thing is for sure, it wasn't the Oxygen containers. Apparently you don't know much about combustion or oxygen containers either.

there needs to be an exposed fuel source (gasoline) and a heat and/or spark in the presence of an oxidizer (fresh air will do.)

The Oxygen bottles were caught in the fire as were the patents. Upon being consumed in the fire, the plastic tubing carrying the Oxygen caught fire and/or melted exposing the fire to a steady stream of pure Oxygen, thus increasing the temperature of the fire, which eventually consumed the Oxygen bottle melting the valves, thus releasing a burst of the bulk of the Oxygen making the fire burn even more intently.

The short answer is that the Oxygen canisters did not cause the fire (no matter how much the lame-stream media tell you so), but having the Oxygen canisters in the middle of a fire sure made it a more intense fire, that combined with immobile riders and insufficient assistance, turned deadly.

16 posted on 11/15/2005 12:23:10 AM PST by anymouse
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To: JLS
The bus driver had a responsibility to inspect the bus before loading up the passengers and driving the bus.

We still don't know what the root cause of the fire was, but we can assume that it had a leaky fuel tank and that something caused the leaking fumes to ignite.

Most likely the fuel leak existed when the bus started its trip. The driver should have noticed a strong gas oder.

It might have been as simple as the driver leaving the gas cap off the filler and a careless passing driver tossing a cigarette too close to the venting filler opening of the bus. If so both the bus driver and the cigarette tosser should be held negligent in the resulting deaths.
17 posted on 11/15/2005 12:33:33 AM PST by anymouse
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To: anymouse

We still don't know what the root cause of the fire was, but we can assume that it had a leaky fuel tank and that something caused the leaking fumes to ignite.
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I don't always click through and read the article either. I sometimes still generally comment. But I try to hide it when I have not bothered to read the article.

What the article says is:

"...[the bus] caught fire Sept. 23 from a malfunctioning back wheel."

So I guess your assumpiton just went up in smoke?


18 posted on 11/15/2005 12:39:57 AM PST by JLS
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To: JLS
"...[the bus] caught fire Sept. 23 from a malfunctioning back wheel."

Yes, that is what I remember the lame-stream media reporting back when it happened, along with obviously false the "Oxygen bottles did it" theory.

I can see a possible drum brake lock up causing a tire to catch fire, but how can a wheel malfunction and cause a fire?

Maybe even broken springs and/or shocks could have allowed the tire to rub on the wheel well and maybe causing a friction induced fire, but that would have happened much sooner in the trip.

I still think we don't know enough about what actually caused the fire to rule out at least negligence on the part of the bus driver.

19 posted on 11/15/2005 12:53:24 AM PST by anymouse
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20 posted on 11/15/2005 9:40:11 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: txroadkill

If a driver is so stupid that he can not tell when a vehicle has a wheel bearing failure and still drives the bus until it is aflame, he should be charged.


21 posted on 11/15/2005 9:49:15 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (expert, break it down, ex = has been, spurt = drip under pressure.)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


22 posted on 11/15/2005 10:51:30 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: JLS
Just another view here...most large vehicles have 'wet' bearings on non-powered axles. The powered axles also have wet bearing but with live inner driven components. If in either case a brake is dragging or broken enough to cause heat to build it can go so far as to cause the oil seal to fail letting the lubricating leak out to the hotter iron and wind driven air which then combines into a very hot fire. It will set tires on fire and a simple fire extinguisher will not cool it enough to stop it from reigniting.
23 posted on 11/15/2005 11:35:09 AM PST by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river. . .)
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