Skip to comments.Doing Unto Others as They Did Unto Us
Posted on 11/15/2005 6:18:31 AM PST by MurryMom
Washington How did American interrogation tactics after 9/11 come to include abuse rising to the level of torture? Much has been said about the illegality of these tactics, but the strategic error that led to their adoption has been overlooked.
The Pentagon effectively signed off on a strategy that mimics Red Army methods. But those tactics were not only inhumane, they were ineffective. For Communist interrogators, truth was beside the point: their aim was to force compliance to the point of false confession.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
If we play by all the rules and they don't, it is like the patriots and the red-coats, is it not?
Based on something written in the NYT?!
"Torture" is reading the NY Times every day.
Maxwell Gregg Bloche
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Contact this faculty member (new window will open) Dr. Bloche teaches and writes on U.S. and international health law and policy. His work has appeared in medical and health policy journals, law reviews, books, newspapers, and on-line media. Dr. Bloche received a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Investigator Award in Health Policy Research for 1997-2000 to support his research and writing on the legal and regulatory governance of managed care organizations, and he edited and contributed to The Privatization of Health Care Reform: Legal and Regulatory Perspectives (Oxford Univ. Press, 2003). Other recent publications include The Invention of Health Law (California Law Review, March 2003), Trust and Betrayal in the Medical Marketplace (Stanford Law Review, Dec. 2002), and WTO Deference to National Health Policy: Toward an Interpretive Principle (Journal of Intl Economic Law, Dec. 2002). Dr. Bloche is a member of the Institute of Medicines Committee on Understanding and Eliminating Racial and Ethnic Disparities in Health Care and the Committee on Scientific Freedom and Responsibility of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. He also serves on the advisory boards of several journals and non-profit organizations. Dr. Bloche has been a member of the board of Physicians for Human Rights and a consultant to South Africas Truth and Reconciliation Commission (on human rights in the health sector), the Federal Judicial Center, the National Institutes of Health, the World Health Organization, and other private and public bodies.
Dr. Bloche received his M.D. and J.D. from Yale University and his B.A. from Columbia University. Before joining Georgetowns faculty in 1989, he completed his residency in psychiatry at the Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center. He received several awards for research and scholarship as a resident physician and law student, and he was an editor of the Yale Law Journal. Between college and medical school, Dr. Bloche spent a year as a reporter for the Dallas Times Herald. More recently, he has contributed commentaries to the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, other newspapers, and National Public Radios Morning Edition.
What's your point MM?I have to register to read the rest of the article?From what i can read,it sounds like another bull@hit piece from the NYTimes.
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I think you forgot something in your post.
Isn't that nice.
Exactly. Don't set the rules for us when they don't abide them.
Nope, just a placemark.
How is it your are still here? You purposely post crap like this to provoke people. The NYT has zero credibility, yet you use it to call Bush a liar. Typical liberal..
Why don't you stick to posting your racist comments over on the Pennsylvania abduction threads? You're obviously in over your head when it comes to politics.
imagine this....Murrytroll also parrots the MSM.
Amazingly enough, I'm NOT surprised.
Ever hear of DU infiltrators who post on FR?
Murrymom is not a conservative. She is our resident liberal idiot. She comes up, spews out her hatred of all things not liberal and not Anti-American, gets slapped down, and goes off and pouts for a while, then comes back and repeats the same MO.
At least I participated on the winning side in PA last year. If I'm "in over my head" then what derogatory comments would you have to say about the PA losers?
"All The News That's Shi'ite To Print"
Look at the idiots posting history. Strange amalgamation of spew.
By bringing SERE tactics and the Guantánamo model onto the battlefield, the Pentagon opened a Pandora's box of potential abuse. On Nov. 26, 2003, for example, an Iraqi major general, Abed Hamed Mowhoush, was forced into a sleeping bag, then asphyxiated by his American interrogators. We've obtained a memorandum from one of these interrogators - a former SERE trainer - who cites command authorization of "stress positions" as justification for using what he called "the sleeping bag technique."
"A cord," he explained, "was used to limit movement within the bag and help bring on claustrophobic conditions." In SERE, he said, this was called close confinement and could be "very effective." Those who squirmed or screamed in the sleeping bag, he said, were "allowed out as soon as they start to provide information."
Three soldiers have been ordered to stand trial on murder charges in General Mowhoush's death. Yet the Pentagon cannot point to any intelligence gains resulting from the techniques that have so tarnished America's image. That's because the techniques designed by communist interrogators were created to control a prisoner's will rather than to extract useful intelligence.
According to the article, murder of an Iraqi general was also condoned by the Bush administration goons who set up the SERE program. Do you agree with the Bush administration on this one?
Respect for truth? Coming from you, that's rich.
And whose definition of "truth" do you subscribe to? Slick Willy's, perhaps?
"Unfortunately i can't move the keys on your computer so that you can register."Registration,NYTimes.Is that your agenda?
C'mon, Mom....you can do it; I know you can.
There is no news article printed in the NY slimes that has even a sliver of credibility. They are simply the propaganda arm of the DNC. The muslims can never be trusted because of taqiyya, especially when it is a member of the enemies of freedom.
I believe the Administration and the military, The very few soldiers who have legitimately broken the law have been given court marshalls or other punishment. The military has been the ones bringing these case to light not the NYTCBSABCCNNNPR anti American media I'm sure you get all your propaganda from. The US Military is full of men of honor who for little pay or recognition protect the American Citizens. Honor is something the creeps of the NYTs know nothing about.
If our soldiers are allowed to "legitimately" break the law there must not be much hope of convincing our Muslim bretheren that Coalition soldiers are in Iraq to protect its citizens from their forcefully deposed elected officials.
"FreeRepublics resident commie..."What's she doing here?
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Making a fool of herself as usual.
Typical dim word twisting, its ashamed you don't realize how foolish you sound. You know as in ACTUALLY broke laws instead of some bogus charge dreamed up by a muslim or a dim moonbat. Oh an by the way how have the muslims treated our prisoners they have captured, did they get TV priviledges
As far a muslim brethern goes, you may feel some kinship with people who enslave women, children, persons of other religions but I don't. When I see islamic fascists who behead others because they are a different religion I don't feel any need to understand them, or maybe its that I do understand them. Maybe you should learn more about them since they would kill you just as quick as they would me, probably sooner because I'm armed and I intend to fight back.
The fact is we are in a war with these 6 century slugs to the death, I will never knell to the moon god nor worship a thieving, killing, stealing pedophile. Therefore I am their enemy "A infidel", hey that doesn't bother me as a matter of fact I'm proud to be against everything they stand for.
Where was your outrage when Nick Berg was beheaded?
GREAT Cartoon! Thank you for brining it to our attention.
You are actively aiding and abetting people who raped, tortured and murdered children at Beslan last year.
Spare us your fraudulent "moralizing". You have blood on your hands and can never get it off. You are actively and knowingly serving as a mouth piece for Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Hussein by the way has the innocent blood of millions of his own people on his hands. So spare us your hyper hysteric propaganda you willing Accessory to Mass Murder after the fact.
Since May 15, 1998
A Clinton kneepad wearer has no standing to evaluate anyone's truthfulness. Heck they aren't even qualified to define the word "is"
Woah, she better put some ice on that....
You and 500,000 dead Philadelphians.
if you are willing to foot the bill for housing terrorists at the 4 or 5 star hotel of your choice, by all means go for it.
Other approaches with prisoners are much more effective than torture. If all of the Iraq citizens that we pick up in our sweeps were fairly and humanely treated during their stay with us it would be extremely effective as public relations toward demonstrating that we are there to help them. In a controlled environment such as a detention center, intelligence agents can be mixed in with the population and quickly get much more info than by torture.
The only downside to a more humane approach is that sadistic christofascists in the Bush Administration won't have any fun.
My sentiments exactly.