Posted on 11/15/2005 6:22:45 AM PST by robowombat
Got my vote for it
Yup. NYC, Philly, and Pittsburgh could fend for themselves :) We'd still have to deal with those lovely unfunded federal mandates, but we wouldn't have our own state stabbing us in the back at the same time.
I wish everything west of Hwy 101 in CA would secede from the coast! We need to form a new state also, western cal would be as conservative as it gets.
Yeah, I guess the problem with booting out NYC is that they control the state. They aren't going to leave voluntarily, certainly.
Oops, in post 24 change western to eastern please! We need to form a new state out of eastern CA. It's too early for this stuff yet!:)
And I'm sure they wouldn't be too keen on letting Upstate bug. But I'm willing to try :)
Didn't VT send soldiers to fight against the Confederacy for seceeding?
Typical liberal logic, evil when other do it, but just and proper when they do.
I doubt we'll collect. :) BUT... I like Ben and Jerry's although I won't give them any money because I don't want to fund the left. Think they'd pay war reparation in ice cream?
Make mine Chubby Hubby!
Vermont is the home of choice for every hippie from the Northeast.
"I wish Upstate NY would secede and form a new state. I figure we could take a lot of the rid bits of PA with us, too. Make a new state where RINOs need not apply."
Most of PA is red with the exception of the cities...Scranton/Wilkes Barre, Erie, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and the Allentown area!
I am sick of RINOs too and especially those conservatives who act conservative during an election and then wimp out. It drives me crazy!
Now there's an idea!! ;)
No doubt.... The Civil War.... No matter what you read was about states rights. And about the Federal Governments rights to interfere with states rights. Not slavery although that was an issue it was not "The Reason" for the war between the states..... The slavery issue was used to unify and justify the declaration of war on the South by Lincoln.
This is just another silly liberal distraction. New England is turning into a retirement community. There was an EXCELLENT article on the "graying of Vermont" in this week's Sunday newspaper. Vermont has the SECOND-HIGHEST median age in the country (Maine is #1, NH is #7). In other words; 'old-fart central'. As younger people move away, because they can't afford to live here, those homes are being snapped up as 'second homes' by wealthy elderly from southern New England and New York. Many schools have found themselves with empty classrooms, as the exodus continues. Within a few short years; the citizens of Vermont are going to be too busy trying to remain economically viable to worry about 'leaving' the United States. Vermont's destiny is that of an expensive retirement community. Simple as that.
Hurrah!
Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star!
They can talk about it all they want, but they can't seceed, regardless of their rhetoric.
Read the following:
The five to three decision, read on April 15, 1869, by Chief Justice S. P. Chase, held the Union to be indestructable and, thus, not dissoluble by any act of a state, the government, or the people. The court, therefore, repudiated the doctrine of state sovereignty, but it clearly supported the federal in contradistinction to a consolidated system of government, for the decision continues: "But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union, by no means, implies the loss of distinct and individual existence or of the right of self-government by the states."
And
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was a significant case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869. The Court held (in a 5–3 decision) that Texas had remained a state of the United States ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. It further held that the Constitution did not permit states to secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".
If Vermont secedes, will Chester Arthur and Calvin Coolidge still be counted as Presidents of the US?
Unfortunately, the practice of slavery is inconveniently unavailable for the Union to use as their "just cause" this time.
The South declared war by firing on Fort Sumter.
It reminds me of the Japanese and Pearl Harbor. Especially how the guys who shot first got beat.
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