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What if we don't run out of oil?
WND ^ | November 15, 2005 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 11/15/2005 7:05:19 AM PST by Dan Evans

The debate over "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil" has begun to take familiar lines. "Peak oil" adherents continue to insist that oil resources worldwide are depleting. This mantra is repeated almost like an article of faith.

Ever since M. King Hubbert drew his first "peak-production" curve, statements of this tenet are easy to find. Typically, the "Peak-Production" theory is articulated as so well established that further proof is not needed. "Peak production" statements abound in publication. Consider this example written by an energy consultant in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:

Petroleum reserves are limited. Petroleum is not a renewable resource and production cannot continue to increase indefinitely. A day of reckoning will come sometime in the future. The point at which production can no longer keep up with increasing demand will mean a radical and painful readjustment globally to everyday life.

To counter this argument, Craig Smith and I have argued that proven worldwide reserves of oil are currently estimated by the Energy Information Administration at 1.28 trillion barrels, the largest amount every recorded in human history, despite worldwide consumption of oil doubling since the 1970s. Oil prices are currently declining suggesting ample worldwide supplies are available – oil prices are not increasing as would be expected if chronic oil shortages were imminent.

In response to an article we published here about Brazil's offshore oil discoveries, one bulletin-board poster commented: "Corsi is pushing his abiotic oil agenda. He keeps repeating the canard that oil comes from dinosaurs. NOBODY BELIEVES THAT!" This prompted a response with a correction and an objection: "I suppose you meant to say 'the canard that oil does NOT come from dinosaurs and ancient flora debris'? That's the reason why we call oil a fossil fuel." Even better yet was this: "Who says that oil came from 'dinosaurs and ancient forests'? What a moron."

Interestingly, many critics seem ready to give up the "Fossil-Fuel" theory of oil's origin, as long as they can continue to advance the "Peak-Production" theory. Regardless where the oil comes from, this particular type of critic argues, we are still running out. This line of analysis misses a key point of the abiotic, deep-Earth theory of oil's origin. If oil is naturally produced within the Earth's mantle, oil may well be a renewable resource.

Then, there were some abusive ad hominem attacks, as expected in this heavily charged political environment in which differences have become polarized. Some posters argue that as a "discredited" co-author of "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," nothing I write is credible, regardless of how well documented or argued. Here are a couple of examples. "This guy was also co-author of a smear book against John Kerry by the Swift Boat liars ... highly credible!" Or, again: "This man is an architect of the Kerry swift boat smear, so I am unconvinced of his ability or desire to maintain a dispassionate and analytic stance with respect to this topic." Evidently, there are still many who do not accept that John Kerry lost the presidential election of 2004, as there remain many who refuse to accept that Al Gore lost in 2000.

In the final analysis, many on the political Left appear to have gravitated to embrace "Peak-Oil" theories because the argument that we are running out of oil fits in with their overall pattern of leftist political beliefs. Spend any time on the peak-oil bulletin boards and you will find many comments from posters who appear happy at the prospect we may be running out of oil.

Underlying their enthusiasm for "peak oil" is an anti-oil, anti-business attitude that feels our advanced capitalist society is "bad" or "wrong," wasteful of the Earth's valuable natural resources in the pursuit of a materialistic, lazy lifestyle. Posters of this disposition simply want to dismiss any other theory without serious consideration. Here's how one poster summed up that attitude, "Ugh, more abiotic oil crap ..." The ellipsis typically was not followed up by rational argument. Evidently, the poster felt the "Peak-Oil" thesis was just too obvious or well-established to be in need of defense.


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KEYWORDS: abiogenic; corsi; energy; oil; peakoil; thomasgold
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To: Dan Evans
FYI

Canada's third ocean oil rig starts pumping

Hibernia partners find new oil, mum on reserves

121 posted on 11/15/2005 2:09:00 PM PST by kanawa
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To: cicero's_son

No question. The strategic moves are getting bigger.


122 posted on 11/15/2005 2:12:12 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

Solar cells are for satellites. The last I heard, it costs more to make a solar cell that to buy the energy to make it.


123 posted on 11/15/2005 2:26:28 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Brilliant

The "Peak Oil" hypothesis does not say we will "run out of oil" in the foreseeable future. It simply says that new discoveries will at some discrete point in time fail to match consumption increases, resulting in a more or less permanent acceleration in the increase of the price.


124 posted on 11/15/2005 2:35:17 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: DustyMoment

Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. My dad was an investigator for the Federal Trade Commission during the "oil embargo" of the 80s. He was assigned to find out what was really going on and what he discovered will shock you. He found oil storage tanks full to over flowing while people waited in long lines to buy their 10 gallons of gas. He discovered oil tankers loaded to the gunwales with oil parked just over the horizon where they couldn't be seen, because there was no place to put the oil.

Draw your own conclusions.



My conclusion is that the govt instituted price controls so it didn't make economic sense to sell the oil at artificially low prices. I.E. price controls == shortages. Macroeconomics 101.


125 posted on 11/15/2005 2:40:49 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

We've already got the permanent acceleration, though. You don't need to wait until the production begins to decline.


126 posted on 11/15/2005 3:20:42 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Dan Evans

20 years later and it is still $5 a watt. The solar cells were supposed to be getting cheaper, like 5 cents a watt or something. Wouldn't be hard to choose to cover the house with those and have the power grid buy your excess electricity.


127 posted on 11/15/2005 3:24:31 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The "Peak Oil" hypothesis does not say we will "run out of oil" in the foreseeable future. It simply says that new discoveries will at some discrete point in time fail to match consumption increases, resulting in a more or less permanent acceleration in the increase of the price.

That reminds me of Julian Simon's bet with Paul Ehrlich in 1980. Ehrlich had been going on and on about how overpopulation was causing us to run out of resources. Simon bet Ehrlich that most commodities would drop in price not rise and challenged him to pick five items that he thought would become scarcer. Simon won the bet.

128 posted on 11/15/2005 3:26:12 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
My conclusion is that the govt instituted price controls so it didn't make economic sense to sell the oil at artificially low prices. I.E. price controls == shortages. Macroeconomics 101.

Ok, suppose I agree that the government implemented price controls. If I believe that, I have to wonder why the Federal Trade Commission, an agency that is an integral part of the very sam government that implemented the price controls, sent my father to investigate the cause of the alleged "oil shortages". Also, with NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN PUMP PRICES, the oil "shortage" mysteriously ended after approximately 4 - 6 months.

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129 posted on 11/15/2005 3:39:39 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment
Also, with NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE IN PUMP PRICES, the oil "shortage" mysteriously ended after approximately 4 - 6 months.

That's a good question. I suspect that high prices aren't the only thing that can cause a lower demand. Probably people got sick of waiting in line and they found other things to do -- like staying home instead of going to the movies.

I cannot fathom why people have such a problem with this. Isn't it logical that oil companies are going to be reluctant to sell their product at a loss? Sure, they might have access to a limited supply of cheap crude with long term contracts. But what would be their incentive to buy more expensive oil on the spot market so that the supply equals the demand?

Price controls are either mischievous or they are unnecessary. If the controlled price is above the market price it has no effect. If it is below the market price it creates shortages.

130 posted on 11/15/2005 6:29:05 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: fireforeffect
Oil is made by methane percolating up from the earths core, becoming trapped in rock formations and being compressed into oil over time. This is the current view of competent geologist, very simplified.

I thought the Earth's core was made up of iron and maybe nickel as well. When did the thinking on the core's composition change?

131 posted on 11/15/2005 6:52:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! --kellynla)
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To: DustyMoment

Of course I can't prove my theory is correct - although it makes sense from first principles i.e. that if you cap prices you disincentive suppliers.

But - your amazement at two branches of government working at cross purposes - surely this has happened more times than either of us can count. I have absolutely no doubt that you could have one branch of government impelmenting price controls while another branch is investigating market disruptions.

In any case if my explanation isn't the correct one then how else to explain your father's observation?


132 posted on 11/15/2005 7:31:20 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Frohickey
Things have a way of working themselves out. We are pretty good at that.

Bingo. It amazes me how many potential ulcers await development on account of so much worrying by some people...much ado about nothing. Hi Tech will save the day.

133 posted on 11/15/2005 7:33:40 PM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Dan Evans
Price controls are either mischievous or they are unnecessary.

Nixon orived beyond a shadow of a doubt that price controls are unnecessary. The market works best when it is unfettered by any form of price control.

If the controlled price is above the market price it has no effect.

Actually, it does. The oil company can make gazillions in profits that enrage the morons who don't comprehend the workings of a free market economy - which flies in the face of selling gas at a mandated price that is well above the cost of the crude oil.
134 posted on 11/16/2005 4:31:09 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Dan Evans

We spend more money on bottled water than gas. I go to the carry out & pick up about 16 oz of water for about $1.19. That would make that water about $9.52/gallon (if I'm doing my math right)!


135 posted on 11/16/2005 4:44:12 AM PST by vidbizz
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
In any case if my explanation isn't the correct one then how else to explain your father's observation?

While I concur that in today's politicized environment, the scenario you describe is more common than any of us wants to admit, at the time of the "oil embargo", the Federal Trade Commission, surprisingly enough, was a better run organization than it is today. Had they known beforehand that artificial price controls had been implemented by another government agency (such as the WH or Congress), they wouldn't have wasted the manpower to conduct an investigation.

That said, I defer to my dad's findings which supported the historical record of the oil industry; i.e. that the "oil embargo" was another in a fairly long line of phony schemes concocted by oil industry executives to dupe the public, raise prices (and increase profits), and shift the focus on OPEC, which was already an unpopular institution with the American public.

As I noted previously, if the "shortage" were due solely to price controls, selling ANY amount of gas at a loss is still selling the product at a loss; IOW, there is no benefit to limiting the available supply versus conducting business as usual and selling all of the available supply at a loss - particularly if the price controls are arbitrary and force the oil companies to sell at a loss. The oil companies had the option of shutting down and not selling any gas at all. Such an action would likely have caused one of several things to occur - the federal government would either have to nationalize the oil industry and sell the gas at any price it chose, or it would have forced the federal government to raid the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to meet the petroleum needs of the country, or it would have to relax the price controls to allow the oil companies to sell their gas with a reasonable margin of profit. Nothing in the Constitution allows the government to force any privately held business to sell its product at a loss. And, in those days, the Constitution was more highly regarded by the Congress than it is today.

Before I get flamed, I want to make it clear that I have no opposition to any private business making a profit - whether that profit is huge or tiny. Nor do I have an axe to grind with the oil industry. I do object to any industry, however, that perpetrates frauds on the American public for the sole purpose of increasing their "bottom line". If they can't honestly come out and say they are going to jack prices up because they can, I don't have a lot of respect for them. I may not LIKE the fact that they are doing that, but I will have more respect for them and exercise my free market rights to shop elsewhere for my gas (or whatever).
136 posted on 11/16/2005 4:58:54 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

orived = proved


137 posted on 11/16/2005 4:59:39 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Your points are all good ones and far be it from me to say which explanation is the correct one - few points however.

1. Correct me if I'm wrong but the strategic petroleum reserve wasn't created until later on - I want to say around the time of the first Gulf war.

2. The argument that if the oil companies were reluctant to sell *any* of their product at artificially low prices then therefore they would be reluctant to sell *all* of their product at artificially low prices just doesn't make any sense to me. They have to calculate the marginal costs and marginal benefits for each unit of product that they either sell or hold back and (at least in theory) wherever their marginal utility is maximized, then that's how much they would sell. Marginal costs would have to include political costs and political calculations as well as purely financial ones. And all of this assumes perfect wisdom on the part of the oil execs who can't be acting in *complete* collusion. Rarely in business do you see perfect wisdom, perfect collusion, or all or none solutions. That argument for me, that if the prices were artifically low that no oil would be sold just seems absurd.

3. No matter how well the FTC was run at that time, two branches of the government working at cross purposes still seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't even know that it was the FTC that imposed the Nixonian wage and price controls or some other agency (a litttle research would resolve that problem I'm sure).

4. It could be that there is some truth to both of our conclusions - it's not clear to me that they are really that mutually exclusive - the wage and price controls could have been a factor in the oil company's behavior just as your contention that they were trying to gin up a sense of crisis and make OPEC a political pinata.

Great discussion - seems like there has not been enough of this sort of thing on FR lately.


138 posted on 11/16/2005 5:45:36 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: thackney
You are correct.

Kuwait has 10% of proven worlds oil reserves. They just announced that their largest field is now pumping only 1.7, down from 2.0 million barrels a day. The field is rapidly running down.

Chevron announced last year that their proven reserves where 20% overstated.

The hand writing is on the wall..

139 posted on 11/16/2005 5:45:36 AM PST by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundum)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Correct me if I'm wrong but the strategic petroleum reserve wasn't created until later on - I want to say around the time of the first Gulf war.

According to the website "Howstuffworks", "The United States started the petroleum reserve in 1975 after oil supplies were cut off during the 1973-74 oil embargo." I guess that makes both of us wrong because I thought it was started by Eisenhower.

3. No matter how well the FTC was run at that time, two branches of the government working at cross purposes still seems perfectly reasonable to me. I don't even know that it was the FTC that imposed the Nixonian wage and price controls or some other agency (a litttle research would resolve that problem I'm sure).

That two agencies will work at cross purposes today is "reasonable" to me, as well. It was less common at the time of the "oil embargo". The FTC did not impose Nixon's wage and price controls, that was all Tricky Dicky. The FTC primarily investigated consumer fraud (such as rat hide being sold as mink, or "oil embargos"). They also are (or were) the enforcers of the "Fair Credit Act".

4. It could be that there is some truth to both of our conclusions - it's not clear to me that they are really that mutually exclusive - the wage and price controls could have been a factor in the oil company's behavior just as your contention that they were trying to gin up a sense of crisis and make OPEC a political pinata. Great discussion - seems like there has not been enough of this sort of thing on FR lately.

Concur. Thanks for joining in with me.
140 posted on 11/16/2005 7:57:18 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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