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1 posted on 11/15/2005 12:16:20 PM PST by jcb8199
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"marooned on the wrong side of history."

I am thinking Muslim here.

There was a time "progress" was viewed as the word of God. Do your best and work hard to improve your lot in life, not, the opposite that you must bow to corrupt leadership and keep yourself in the mud.


2 posted on 11/15/2005 12:25:09 PM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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God thats a lotta readin'...


3 posted on 11/15/2005 12:25:39 PM PST by Edgerunner (Proud to be an infidel)
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Just compare what Scottish Presbyterian based political reform gave us compared to the anti-clerical French based political reformation movement. Liars like Dan Brown want to claim that the pagan world worshiped and held up women and that Christianity pulled that all down.

Yes, some Christians sided with the tyrants, the bishops who were bought and paid for by the Stuarts for example. But we owe the capitalistic and individualistic nature of our society to the reformers. No other civilization ever conceived of the natural freedoms man is given by God.
5 posted on 11/15/2005 12:45:39 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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Let's see Christians gave us - western law - the scientific method - medicine - charity - Bach and Handel and other musical hacks - astronomy - physics metallurgy - care for orphans and widows - and opposed tyranny.

Yep Jane is right - Christianity is on the other side of history but, then again maybe Jane is as wrong about this as Viet Nam. Maybe she is on the wrong side again. (Comes from spending too much time with Ted Turner)

6 posted on 11/15/2005 12:48:17 PM PST by DaveyB (Courage means willing to fight and die rather than appease and live in failure.)
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This article is too large and to far reaching to comment about in full. To say we are without sin is to make God out to be a liar -- the attempt to paint SINLESS and PURE the corrupt and earthly church that has been run by earthly and corrupt men since the passing of the apostles is to deny all that has been written by out fore fathers (The Apostollic Fathers and Nicene Fathers which have meticulously recourded these sins in their writings if we have eyes to see and ears to hear.

To quote a single quote from Clement of Alexandria to absolve the church of what occurred from the fall of the church from Grace in the mid second century to the age of enlightenment and not to not the specific deeds trials and execution of a tyrant church -- is to be on par with democrats rewriting the history of the Iraq war.

Is it nobel to lie "in the name of a church and in the name of God than for a party to lie to try to regain political power?

He who says he has no sin is a liar and the truth is not in him -- that is an absolute statement from John the Apostle and if it true of beleivers then it is 100 fold true of their chruches and denominations and theri man made doctrines and traditions including rewriting their history to look better and more hip to today's batch of would be sheep that they desire to corral into their folds.

This article supposes that that the church is the savior of the world instead of Christ instead of being a corrupter and blinding men to the truth of Christ as our one and only savior, and that only those who fall at his feet and follow him and obey his voice are indeed his disciples.

Those who preach their denomination their ministry of themselves as the savior and the light of the world are anti-christ

Recently the dims had a funeral for rosa parks and the news netsworks announced that luminaries had arrived naming Jesse Jackon and a slew of other corrupt men -- these men are luminaries -- men who's light has become darkness, perverted people who have transformed themselves into angels of light -- these men preach themselves their doctrines and traditions and their denominations and movements -- they preach a corrupted christ wrapped in their scorrupted worldly views.

All here look at these Lumanaries corrupt words and their corrupt history and -- we judge them utterly corrupt. AAnd hen they attempt to rewrite their nefarious acts --we hold their words and dees up to them.

So how is it that we do not do the same for ourselves or the churches we belong to.

Jesus said to the Pharisees of his day and ours: you say we see and therefore your sin remains.

And Paul says For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep (Dead prematurely)For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged

And then Peter said For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The Obey not is not the early church in the days of the aposltes it is the latter day church in which we live that obey not the words of Christ but follow instead the made up traditions and doctrines that have occurred in the last 1800 or so years.

If Judgemnt fell upon Peter and Paul and they uncompromisingly obeyed the words of Christ how much sorer judgemtn do you suppose will fall upon this corrupt and evil church of our day that follows not Christ and obeys not his commandments?

All you have to do is read the book of relvelation to find our what happens to the bride that once was without spot and wrinkle after she became the great whore and begat daughters after her image and likeness.

The word in this hour is repent! Seek after Christ with your whole heart and hHe will reveal himself to you as promised.

7 posted on 11/15/2005 1:03:24 PM PST by Rocketman
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Christianity gave us the greates country on the planet.


9 posted on 11/15/2005 1:17:54 PM PST by MissEdie
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