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keep preachin' bro...
No that is not me, but I wish it was!
stinks when the broccoli is soggy too.....
so is everyone sleeping?
Send them mail and tell them
"DON'T EVEN TRY AND SPIN THIS! I KNOW BETTER!! IF YOU CAN'T REPRESENT ME- YOU DON'T GET MY VOTE! OR $$$$ PERIOD!"
Yeah everyone must got out to eat or go home from work. Gets real quite
I just ate, tummy full... just chillin' out... nice...
From Monday Senate:
Mr. WARNER. Mr. President, our magnificent service men and women, along with allies and partners, are supporting the Iraqis as they develop their own concepts of democracy. Jointly we are improving infrastructure, improving the internal security, and together confronting the extremists.
By any fair objective political measure, the people of Iraq are making progress. In 1 year, the Iraqis elected a transitional government, ratified a constitution, and are preparing to elect a permanent parliamentary government on December 15th.
During many hearings and briefings, the senior military commanders, particularly General Abizaid has stressed that the extremist militant jihadists are focusing on dominating a geographic area that extends from Spain to Indonesia. The tragic events in Jordan underscore the accuracy of that military analysis.
The al-Qaida group in Iraq claimed responsibility for the tragic attacks in Jordan against innocent Arab civilians. While portions of Iraq remain focal points for terrorist attacks, the threat extends far beyond.
This enemy seeks neither compromise nor coexistence with the United States or others who do not share their world vision. The United States, along with partners and allies, must continue their strong resolve and effectively address this threat. The civilized world has no choice.
Of equal importance to the military mission in Iraq is the development of political structures and reconstruction of the infrastructure. I, like many of you, have made a number of trips to Iraq: I have seen progress.
Now I would like to specifically address the pending amendments related to our policy to achieve our military, political, and reconstruction goals in Iraq. While there are similarities, the amendments differ on several major points.
Both amendments recognize the magnificent work being done by our Armed Forces; the unwavering support of their families at home; the importance of political developments to take place in Iraq next year; the necessity to put Iraqi Security Forces in the lead in securing Iraq; and the requirement to keep the American people well informed of all aspects of the military, political, and reconstruction efforts in Iraq.
[Page: S12763] GPO's PDF
Both amendments call for the President to submit a quarterly report on our progress in Iraq. While Congress already receives a number of reports and Members and committees in both bodies receive briefings from civilian and military leaders, this report from the President would become the most comprehensive report on the situation in Iraq.
These are the three important differences between the two amendments.
No. 1 the reporting timeline--section c. The Warner-Frist amendment calls for the first report 90 days after the enactment of the Act. Ninety days allows the President sufficient time to assemble this very wide-ranging report. A report of this scope will require close consultation with all departments and agencies of the Federal Government; American diplomats in Iraq and in the region; United States allied and partnered nations; and our military leaders here and in the theater of operations.
The Levin amendment would allow for just 30 days of coordination and consultation before submitting the initial report. I believe that is insufficient time to produce a report as comprehensive as this.
No. 2 is section c. The Levin-Reid amendment calls for a completely unclassified report. The Warner-Frist amendment directs that the report be unclassified to the extent possible. This is an important distinction. Some information on international negotiations and agreements, and plans for Iraq's domestic security will be an integral part of the development of Iraqi security forces, this may be too sensitive to be presented in an unclassified forum. The Warner-Frist amendment allows the President to produce a classified annex if the President and his advisors believe it is necessary.
No. 3 is a campaign plan with estimated dates for phased withdrawal--section c(7). The Levin-Reid amendment asks for a campaign plan with estimated dates for the phased withdrawal of U.S. forces to be published in the unclassified report. I believe that any program for the withdrawal of American combat forces must be conditions-based, and linked to specific, responsible benchmarks not just dates on a calendar, per se. While I agree that we must continue to make it clear to the Iraqis that a program for withdrawal is a common goal, any announcement of immediate withdrawal or even speculation of withdrawal before a secure and democratic Iraq is in place is simply not prudent.
I am concerned that the release of a timeline such as that in the last paragraph of the Levin-Reid amendment now that announces our withdrawal plans, even with estimated dates, could promote speculation and send an erroneous message to our troops, the Iraqi people, our coalition partners, and the terrorists.
I urge you to vote for Warner-Frist amendment and that we follow Levin and Reid, rather than an entire new amendment to show how much we do agree on and that this is an effort to seek partisanship.
We are down to two differences: the word ``indefinite,'' which to me precludes the chance--could be construed as we would not leave a very small unit there to facilitate the logistic transfer, the need to bring up to a level of acceptability the armaments the Iraqis have; and the continuation of some security work as well as training. But I will not belabor the point. I was very specific in the careful choice of words substituted for ``indefinite.''
The last paragraph--every Senator has to decide for himself or herself the clear meaning of the English language and whether that cannot be construed by many to invoke the thought of a timetable.
I say to my good friend, we have had a very good debate tonight. How fortunate we are that our distinguished colleague, a long-time member of the committee, the Senator from Connecticut, joined us.
I think we have done a good service to our colleagues who, in a very brief period tomorrow, will be required to focus on this and cast their votes accordingly.
Don't have the amendment printed. Point out where this comment by Warner undermines the administration or shows a collapse of the resolve in the war on Iraq.
oh--and I bought some mint Christmas M&M's and vanilla ice cream today... great for homemeade breezies.....
Nice and minty.....
You listening to DeMint....the Repubs were trying to our smart the DEMS.....didn't realize how this is playing.
They should have let the Levin amendment go to a vote and defeat it; instead they leave our servicemen and Iraqi people confused. Get rid of Frisk ; he makes me SICK! I would'nt even want him as a Doctor. Please, get rid of him!!! I'd even say "bring back Lott"
It is a PR and Propaganda defeat. What it SAYS is completely irrelevant. OK? What it DOES is irrelevant. Politics is largely a matter of perceptions. This aids Bush's foes. It gives the Terrorists hope. This vote KILLS American Soldiers. The switch to bombing in Jordan was a sign of a shifting move by the Islamic Terrorists that they were moving OUT of Iraq. This tells them to STAY and fight. If you read everything the terrorist have written, they look to Vietnam and are convinced American will eventually run away. This is a MAJOR signal that we are about to CUT and RUN. Doesn't matter what it SAYS, it matters how it is REPORTED. It was a completely stupid move by people who SHOULD know better. It is a clear indication the Republican Senate simply cannot be run by Frist. He is probably a really nice guy, he is NOT a leader.
I'm with ya!
This is just ridiculous...
They are either ABSOLUTE IDIOTS.. or think WE ARE!
I think I am getting sick and tired of the "white-hot-rage" crowd.
Some people would cut of their feet if they thought DailyKOS said the feet were victories for the left.
It was a meaningless amendment, endorsing the admininstration plans. The republican version does NOTHING to suggest we would pull out too soon, it simply states what the administration has already claimed as a goal, that we will step down when Iraq can step up.
A good-government conservative would have voted against this because it was unnecessary, but it isn't the end of the world, except for those who like to look for the end of the world.
Didn't Hewitt already commit an unpardonable sin by jumping on the Miers bandwagon? Or can you "undrink" the kool-aid by overreacting to some other percieved slight.
Does nobody realise that the democrat's new strategy is to claim everything as victory in the hopes that the rabid right will panic and be against stuff? The left wants to run the senate and house, and will vote for "conservative" democrats if that's what it takes. Meanwhile, the rabid right seems to think that the population of Freeperville is sufficient to win the next set of elections.
Well, come to Virginia. You need a majority to win elections. You sometimes have to give up the street to win the city. Blindly charging ahead just to get "victories" leads to walking into ambushes and losing the war.
Although many of the rabid right would LIKE to lose the war, because they think it was TRIVIAL to get to the 55 senate seats we have today. No sense of history, they have.
OK, that was quite a silly rant. I'm trying to fight the real fight, and it is demoralizing having people like Hewitt running around like chicken little over an amendment that does nothing but ask for a new report. If the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE is OK with the amendment, I don't see why we should hang our senators over it.
Sure, let's throw Allen out. He's not "pure". Well, nobody is "pure". Not one person here agrees on every last point with every other person here.
Now I remember why I don't listen to Hugh Hewitt. Even when he was with the "pro-miers" crowd he was annoying.
ANd they are resounding your point EXACTLY right now...
Where oh where can we find SPINES for the Pub Senators. I'm so ashamed of them.
Never, ever, send any money to the NSC. Pick a worthy Senator like Coburn, Burr....and let them know why THEY are getting your money.
No it is silly to keep lying to oneself rather then admit the truth. Charles when 100% of the bloggers on our side tells you this is a REALLY bad idea, and ALL your foes tell you it is a GREAT thing for them, don't you think MAYBE they have a point?
Charles, it aids fund raising and propaganda efforts of the Left. That right there is a defeat. What the REALITY of the bill says is irrelevent. What would of happened if the Repbs just KILLED this as they should have?
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