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Posted on 11/16/2005 6:38:25 AM PST by OXENinFLA
Dr. Coburn read a letter from a retired Air Force General into the record who to spoke to what he was wanting people to hear.
You didn't tell the whole story from Snopes -- Gen Chong is real and he forwarded this essay which ended up getting his name attached:
The above-quoted essay about the war on terrorism is yet one more example of misattribution through e-mail forwarding. Although USAF Major General Vernon Chong is indeed a real person, according to the Air Force News Agency (AFNEWS) the essay was not written by him; it was something he came across and forwarded to an acquaintance via e-mail, thereby attaching his name to it and inadvertently causing other recipients to erroneously assume he was its author.
When General Chong was contacted by AFNEWS he said that he did not recall who wrote the essay, so for now the identity of its true author is unknown to us.
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I would've included the Black Hawk Down incident along with the Hotel bombing attempt in yemen to get US troops, along with the Space Needle attempt.
Still a good speech. This is ridiculous that this has to be explained over and over and over to portions of idiots in this country--including idiot politicians who we know are lying through their teeth.
Dr. Coburn would make an AWESOME candidate and President.
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Dr. Coburn is a good man. He needs to run for president some day. I am proud to have formerly lived in Oklahoma and that its citizens elected this man - he has a real spine!
Good man.
Excellent speech.
Make him Majority Leader.
Direct answer to that question is Yes.
As you measure the response to some of his other positions--the effort to take some of the pork out of the spending bill for example; you see his broad electoral appeal.
However the Political Establishment is absolutely against him. The Senate was overwhelmingly critical of his position on the spending bill. And this effort is going to be met with silence also.
Properly organized and funded, he might have a shot at getting the Republican nomination through the normal process.
That said, I also want to cast some realism on General Chong's paper.
Recognition that the Moslems represent a clear direct military threat to Western Civilization and the obvious challenge presented by the need for a response does not mean that we need to endorse the foreign or military policy of the incumbent administration as the basis for defense.
To the contrary, the current effort is failing. In part for reasons identified by General Chong--we need to recognize who the enemy is and it is not terrorism, it is militant Moslems, many of whom are ethnically identified; Congress needs to specifically Declare War; we need to close and control the borders; and we most urgently need to develop and foreign and military policy that will work.
We need to be able to politically separate the issues of illegal immigration from the south from the need to be able to control our national territory. Although I personally would support deporting all illegals; and view the economic cost of supporting them in the US as having a net cost far in excess of any reduced labor cost benefit, we need to debate that issue separately from the fundamental issue of border control.
We don't need to sacrifice American lives and waste our tax dollars trying to civilize Iraq. Iraq is not a real country--it is a collection of at least four and perhaps five separate religious and ethnic groups that have been at each others throats for over a thousand years. It is never going to be a Democratically governable country--face it.
The easy obvious solution is to divide the country. The local Moslem's don't like it? If they were really willing to be part of an effective solution, we might give their views and objectives some consideration but they are not. We need to do it--and control the aftermath in the narrow geographical areas that are important to the US with treaties (oil production and military basing).
Torture is immoral and wrong. If you support it, what are you going to say to Jesus Christ when he asks you about it? It is also unnecessary in a realistic effort to make a practical response to deprive American citizens of their Constitutional rights. The Law is the foundation of our Republic. We don't need to abrogate the Law to mount an effective response to the Moslems--we need to find effective leadership.
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There is no question in my mind that some, not all, national Democrat leaders would trade losing for regaining their personal political power. Howard Dean, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, and Ted Kennedy head the list.
After yesterday's vote...and my two Senators...Cornyn and Hutchison, chose to vote with the democrats...in trying to set a course for a Vietnam ending to Iraq...
Can you adopt me??? I like Coburn!
I think I will see if the Alabama freepers will adopt me also...because I really like Sessions also.
Since there is no one taking credit for writing this speech (MG Vernon Chong just forwarded it and did not know who wrote it), I vote to add one more militant action by the Islamists - Oklahoma City Bombing of the Murrah Federal Building, 1995, and then continue to forward this speech.
..."I would've included the Black Hawk Down incident..."...
It may be better to not refer to the "Black Hawk Down incident", but rather the "Battle of Mogadishu", in which a small unit of US Army Rangers, SOF Detachment Delta, and US Navy SEAL operators, supported by 10th Mountain Division troopers, killed some 1,000 Somali muslim ambushers at a cost of 18 US KIA and around a hundred WIA on October 3-4, 1993. This battle and the high number of US casualties was the result of Clinton Administration mission-creep and the fecklessness of Clinton and his worthless SecDef, Les Aspin, who refused to let the Task Force use armor or AC-130 gunship support. If they had the latter, they would have killed several thousand muslims...
Coburn should be the #1 candidate for President on the GOP side, not McLame. #2 should be Pence!
Tom Coburn for President!
Well, OK, but he still SAID IT and obviously agreed with it!
Coburn/Pence! Or Pence/Coburn works for me! These two guys make George Allen look like Bush 41, and Giluiani look like Jimmy Carter.
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