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New Documents Reveal Saddam Hid WMDs, Was Tied to Al Qaida
News Max ^ | Nov. 16, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/16/2005 9:32:41 AM PST by Ben Mugged

Recently discovered Iraqi documents now being translated by U.S. intelligence analysts indicate that Saddam Hussein's government made extensive plans to hide Iraq's weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 - and had deep ties to al Qaida before the 9/11 attacks.

The explosive evidence was discovered among "millions of pages of documents" unearthed by the Iraq Survey Group weapons search team, reports the Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes.

In the magazine's Nov. 21 issue, Hayes reveals that the document cache now being examined contains "a thick stew of reports and findings from a variety of [Iraqi] intelligence agencies and military units."

Though the Pentagon has so far declined to make the bombshell papers public, Hayes managed to obtain a list of titles on the reports.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaedaandiraq; bushlied; iraq; iraqwar; iraqwarfacts; prewarintelligence; saddam; wmd; wmdfacts
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The smoking gun?
1 posted on 11/16/2005 9:32:42 AM PST by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged

This'll be buried faster by the MSM than a Cat in a Cow Pasture!.........


2 posted on 11/16/2005 9:35:03 AM PST by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps, Saving France's Bacon Since 1775.............)
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To: Ben Mugged

Of course, you will never hear a peep of this news in the Mainstream News.


3 posted on 11/16/2005 9:35:08 AM PST by topazbeth (You may not be looking for war, but war is looking for you. -- L. Tolstoy)
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To: Ben Mugged

So when is the Administration going to go public with this? The day before Hillary is sworn in?


4 posted on 11/16/2005 9:35:14 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Ben Mugged

It's Snews Max. Who's going to listen?


5 posted on 11/16/2005 9:35:14 AM PST by zarf (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47!)
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To: Ben Mugged

The MSM will never say a thing. So the American people will never hear or see this.


6 posted on 11/16/2005 9:35:42 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: Ben Mugged

The smoking gun?
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Let us hope, and let's hope it points fingers at the countries WHERE they are hidden, for the materials that went out on the many "midnight expresses"....it would be so nice to be able to shove this up the ..... of the MSM and the lying Thugocrats.


7 posted on 11/16/2005 9:36:18 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Ben Mugged

"Though the Pentagon has so far declined to make the bombshell papers public, Hayes managed to obtain a list of titles on the reports."

Is the president waiting until he has all of his enemies publicly speaking about the lack of WMD so that he can put this in their faces?

That sounds like a clever move.


8 posted on 11/16/2005 9:37:18 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: Ben Mugged

I did a Karnack the Magnificent and knew this was gonna be NewsMax and much ado about not enough before I clicked.


9 posted on 11/16/2005 9:37:43 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Ben Mugged
Sure hope they are NOT planted forgeries. (half sarcasm)
10 posted on 11/16/2005 9:37:58 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Ben Mugged
 

I've read Hayes article and NewsMax is hyping this completely out of control to what Stephen says.

 

 

11 posted on 11/16/2005 9:37:59 AM PST by HawaiianGecko (Facts are neither debatable nor open to "I have a right to this opinion" nonsense.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Why is the Bush administration so cowed from making the case that Saddam had WMD and worked with Al Qaeda if they have the evidence?? I really do not get their fear of the media or the DemonRats. Go to war with these people! If they want to deny documentary proof that Saddam did all these things, then let's ask them why the hell they need to defend Saddam?? Let's put their a**es to the wall and make them answer for their lies and sedition! Get this stuff out there and fight them!

But the Dems. and their MSM lapdogs did what they set out to do, to make Bush so shell shocked from their lying attacks that he'd not have the will to fight them, even when the truth is on his side as it nearly always is.


12 posted on 11/16/2005 9:38:00 AM PST by MikeA
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To: Ben Mugged; Peach; backhoe

Bump.

I think this is why they have been waiting to start firing back at their critics.


13 posted on 11/16/2005 9:38:47 AM PST by eyespysomething (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Didn't CNS news have some big story last year about Documents that stated Iraq had WMD and they had the docs found and translated??


14 posted on 11/16/2005 9:39:12 AM PST by jbwbubba
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To: Ben Mugged

More French Forgeries?


15 posted on 11/16/2005 9:39:18 AM PST by sono (That was a metaphor. You DO know what a metaphor is? - Z Miller)
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To: Ben Mugged

Does this mean that gas prices arent going to go down when we finish stealing all the oil in Iraq?


16 posted on 11/16/2005 9:40:14 AM PST by Delta 21 (MKC USCG-ret)
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To: Red Badger

Like the ton and a half of Iraqi radioactive materials we picked up last year ?


17 posted on 11/16/2005 9:40:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Ben Mugged

Interesting thread on the subject.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1523019/posts


18 posted on 11/16/2005 9:40:29 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: HawaiianGecko

That's what Newsmax does.


19 posted on 11/16/2005 9:40:36 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Ben Mugged
I wonder how long it took Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney to forge and plant all those millions of documents?

I hope also that they weren't so stupid as to use proportional spacing!

Isn't it remarkable that someone as stupid as Bush can forge documents in perfect Arabic?

20 posted on 11/16/2005 9:40:55 AM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: sam_paine; zarf

I have similar reservations about News Max, but they say that they are reporting on something the Weekly Standard will report on, in the Weekly Standard's Nov 21st issue.

I'm going to wait and see on this one. It's possible this might be the smoking gun we've all been waiting for.


21 posted on 11/16/2005 9:41:04 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Ben Mugged

On the other hand, I would love to see a "Reverse Pentagon Papers" scenario evolve. But how could the Administration have kept all this quiet?


22 posted on 11/16/2005 9:41:19 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sono

Doesn't matter. The liberals have had more than enough time to construct every possible Rovian conspiracy theory possible and not one of them involves wrongdoing on Saddams part.


23 posted on 11/16/2005 9:41:33 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Ben Mugged
This is HUGE

Oh it is a very very BAD day to be a Dim. Oh how I WISH I could see Bab's face, or Kennedy's... oh to be a fly on THOSE walls!!!! Howie is gonna SCREAM!!!!

Oh let the WAILING begin!!!!
24 posted on 11/16/2005 9:41:50 AM PST by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: Ben Mugged

I don't trust a website that has a blinking WINNER WINNER at the top. Bogus.


25 posted on 11/16/2005 9:42:14 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Bush better call a Presser or it will never be covered.


26 posted on 11/16/2005 9:42:58 AM PST by demkicker
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To: Ben Mugged
The smoking gun?

Anything from the Iraqi Survey Group will be dismissed as neoncon propaganda. Apparently, the only people more loathsome and despicable than Saddam and his thugs were their victims.

27 posted on 11/16/2005 9:42:59 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Ben Mugged

This information doesn't have a snowball's chance of: 1. getting any play in the MSM and 2. being believed even if it was on the 6 o'clock news every night this week. The opposition has done its' job too well re: the Bush lied lie, and as much as I love Rush, he's not the equivalent of non-stop airplay of the whole ABC/CBS/NBS/MSNBC/CNN, etc. crowd.


28 posted on 11/16/2005 9:42:59 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (Democrats: soulless minions of orthodoxy.)
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To: Ben Mugged; girlangler; Howlin

Better see this.


29 posted on 11/16/2005 9:43:17 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: onyx; ohioWfan; BigSkyFreeper; Dog; Howlin; nopardons; OXENinFLA; kcvl; prairiebreeze; ...

Ping A Ling


30 posted on 11/16/2005 9:43:19 AM PST by Mo1
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To: FourtySeven

I would agree. Newsmax has a long track record of blowing smoke. The Weekly Standard, however, is a different matter. This could get interesting.


31 posted on 11/16/2005 9:43:19 AM PST by eddiemunster
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To: FourtySeven
It's possible this might be the smoking gun we've all been waiting for.

Agreed...you beat my OTOH post in 22.

32 posted on 11/16/2005 9:43:42 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Preachin'

The president is fighting a war, perhaps his agenda is more about that and protecting the troops and not tipping their hand to the enemy about what they know, as opposed to swatting liberal fleas off his hindquarters.

Eventually it will all come out in the wash.


33 posted on 11/16/2005 9:43:46 AM PST by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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To: Ben Mugged

A former Romanian Intelligence officer told the world of Saddam's plans to ditch his WMDs 3 years ago. Yet the MSM drools over Joe "lying sack of sh*t" "fancy hairdo" Wilson and ignores this guy as if he did not exist.


34 posted on 11/16/2005 9:44:23 AM PST by pissant
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yep, still waiting for Couric to bandy that about before the cameras.........


35 posted on 11/16/2005 9:45:30 AM PST by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps, Saving France's Bacon Since 1775.............)
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To: Valpal1

Keeps his eyes on the prize and isn't distracted by lies..........Just ask Ma Richards...........


36 posted on 11/16/2005 9:46:28 AM PST by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps, Saving France's Bacon Since 1775.............)
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To: Danae

Ever try decaf?


37 posted on 11/16/2005 9:46:44 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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To: Ben Mugged; Carl/NewsMax

But of course, the silence from the MSM on this is deafening!


38 posted on 11/16/2005 9:47:22 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Ben Mugged

This would explain Rummy's comment the other day when asked about WMD.

Guess those of us that have maintained their existence aren't so fanciful after all.


39 posted on 11/16/2005 9:47:23 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Red Badger

I would feel better about this if NewsMax didn't include their obligatory "blockbuster" description to this information.


40 posted on 11/16/2005 9:47:52 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: zarf

It's not NewsMax, it is the Weekly Satandard and Steven Hayes using DOD-seized documents. I would also note that Chalabi mentioned the very same thing on the Charlie Rose show last night. He said that the Pentagon had millions of pages of documents seized from Iraqi intelligence. They were being translated and pieced together right now. It would be a long, slow process, but the truth would come out.


41 posted on 11/16/2005 9:47:54 AM PST by kabar
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To: MikeA

Could that truth be something along these lines?

Iran, Iraq, and DPRK work together, in cahoots with other terrorist states, to develop a nuclear and or Bio/chem capability along with the means to deliver them that had no lone state sponsor?

Saddam uses technology from DPRK and Pakistan thru AQ KAHN to develop a nuclear bomb in Libya that would be shipped to Syria where it would be combined with shabob missiles built in Iran then deployed to Lebanon for use against Israel and the rest of the westernized nations of the world. Sure sounds like an axis of evil to me.

I think it is entirely possible that what Gadafi turned over very well could have been Saddams Project to begin with or it was sent there when Saddam knew the jig was up.


42 posted on 11/16/2005 9:48:25 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: Ben Mugged

from the Weekly Standard article mentioned:
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/345qrbbj.asp?pg=1



SOME OF THE DOCUMENT TITLES I requested are suggestive, others less so. It's possible that the "Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity" was critical of one or another Taliban policies. But it's equally possible, given Uday's known role as a go-between for the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda, that something more nefarious was afoot.

What was discussed at the "Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government" in November 2000? It could be something innocuous. Maybe not. But it would be nice to know more.

Was there really a contract for satellite pictures among Russia, France, and Iraq in December 2002? That would have been a mere three months before the war, at a time when France was telling the U.S. government it supported "serious consequences" for Iraqi noncompliance with U.N. inspections.

One of the documents, "Iraqi Efforts to Cooperate with Saudi Opposition Groups and Individuals," had been provided to the New York Times last summer. Thom Shanker, one of the Times's best reporters, wrote a story based on the document, which was an internal Iraqi Intelligence memo. The Iraqi document revealed that a Sudanese government official met with Uday Hussein and the director of the Iraqi Intelligence Service in 1994 and reported that bin Laden was willing to meet in Sudan. Bin Laden, according to the Iraqi document, was then "approached by our side" after "presidential approval" for the liaison was given. The former head of Iraqi Intelligence Directorate 4 met with bin Laden on February 19, 1995. The document further states that bin Laden "had some reservations about being labeled an Iraqi operative"--a comment that suggests the possibility had been discussed. (According to another Iraqi Intelligence document, authenticated by the DIA and first reported on 60 Minutes, the regime considered bin Laden an "Iraqi Intelligence asset" as early as 1992, though it's unclear that bin Laden shared this view.)


43 posted on 11/16/2005 9:48:33 AM PST by eyespysomething (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes.)
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To: Red Badger
This'll be buried faster by the MSM than a Cat in a Cow Pasture!........."""

Good point! Why don't Newsmax stories get more respect?

44 posted on 11/16/2005 9:48:49 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: pissant

Someone really needs to ask the Dems, especially Hillie, if they'd be willing to stake their jobs on guaranteeing that no WMD made it out of Iraq before the war.


45 posted on 11/16/2005 9:48:59 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MikeA

Tell W and all his staff that Dale Carnegie is great for doing real estate deals and handling cranky customers, but sucks for dealing with backstabbers.

GOP_1900AD Training: BEGIN IN A BRUTAL AND SURPRISING WAY!!!!


46 posted on 11/16/2005 9:49:22 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Ben Mugged

This can't be! Cindy Al Sheehani says there were no "weapons of mass distruction" and Bush lied.


47 posted on 11/16/2005 9:49:51 AM PST by dc-zoo
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To: Ben Mugged

I still think the plans to hide this stuff were formalized and put in place as soon as the Iraq and Syrian governments got word from their U.S. contact and point man, the distinguished Senator J. Rockefeller.


48 posted on 11/16/2005 9:49:58 AM PST by WesternPacific
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To: Ben Mugged
""When David Kay ran the Iraq Survey Group searching for weapons of mass destruction, he instructed his team to ignore anything not directly related to the regime's WMD efforts," he reports. "As a consequence, documents describing the regime's training and financing of terrorists were labeled 'No Intelligence Value' and often discarded, according to two sources.""

Uhhh, doesn't this mean, if true, that David Kay is responsible for destroying documents that could PROVE Saddam was working with Terrorists, the President's claim all along??? Next question, did he do it of a purpose, and at who's bidding?? Was there a quid Pro Quo somewhere?
49 posted on 11/16/2005 9:50:53 AM PST by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: BlueStateDepression

Wasn't there supposed to be a final assembly plant in a mountain (was it in Libya?)


50 posted on 11/16/2005 9:51:30 AM PST by eyespysomething (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes.)
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