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Mark Williams Says GOP Must Dump Arnold (Threat to CAGOP)
Sacramento Union Website ^ | 11/9/05 | Mark Williams

Posted on 11/16/2005 9:36:07 PM PST by SierraWasp

Mark Williams Says GOP Must Dump Arnold
Special Opinion Article by KFBK (1530 AM) Radio Host Mark Williams

Published: November 9, 2005 14:49 | Last Updated: November 16, 2005, 6:26 pm

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger isn’t just a duck who’s a little gimpy, he’s a carrier of a deadly political form of Avian Flu and he is going to destroy the few tattered remains of the state’s Republican Party.

Where to begin?

How about with the look on Assembly Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s face Tuesday night in Hollywood. As the TV cameras followed Arnold swagger onto stage to do a victory dance they also passed by McCarthy, and his face told the story. He looked like a kid who had been waiting on Santa to bring along that Red Rider BB gun only to find under the tree new gym socks from grandma. Arnold strode right past McCarthy, who himself didn’t even acknowledge the big guy as it appeared to me that the two went to lengths to not make eye contact, like they were the Bickersons at the divorce settlement hearing.

That summed it up. It also summed up nicely what I have been told by high-ranking republicans in Sacramento over and over again for months now. The complaint is that the governor is only a rumor in republican circles.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacunion.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bcelebrity; cagop; jamoke; markwilliams; schwartzenegger; schwarzenegger; selfcentered; spoiled; threatening; trojanhorse
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Ooops! Looks like I'm not the only one saying this, or else he's read some of my numerous posts on the same theme!!!
1 posted on 11/16/2005 9:36:08 PM PST by SierraWasp
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To: SierraWasp
Unlike Ronald Reagan, Arnold is a Moderate, but the left and the right declared Reagan had to go, back in the 1970's. Arnold has been under attack by the Labor Unions and the MSM has been working with them very closely. I wouldn't count out Arnold yet
2 posted on 11/16/2005 9:41:28 PM PST by MJY1288 (The main stream media has the wisdom of a new born and the vision of a still born)
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To: SierraWasp
Uh-huh. So the state GOP dumps Arnold. Done months ago. But does this more public version mean that the state GOP is going to do anything?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Right.. I think even Tom McClintock is tired of the CAGOP. Their sole contribution to the state these days seems to be gathering together to bemoan how difficult it is in California.

The exact opposite of the national parties. Whereas the Democrats in California have communal insanity in putting forth items so radical that most Democrats can't agree with it, the CAGOP doesn't even offer up any plans for the forthcoming election other than possibly dumping Arnold.

It's Simon all over again, or a more recent example, Jones. You know, the guy who ran against Boxer. Though I doubt you could find three out of ten Californians who would know that.
3 posted on 11/16/2005 9:41:48 PM PST by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: SierraWasp

Republicans in California? Who knew?


4 posted on 11/16/2005 9:41:55 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; FOG724; calcowgirl; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; ElkGroveDan; ...

Interesting ping... Who will you vote for in next June's Primary? How 'bout next November???


5 posted on 11/16/2005 9:44:05 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

And we'll replace him with??? Let's face it, this state is really screwed up and it will continue to get worse as the productive residents keep fleeing to Arizona and Nevada while being replaced by our undocumented friends to the south.


6 posted on 11/16/2005 9:45:23 PM PST by CALawyer
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To: SierraWasp
Wow, this is great. We got another Republican to whip saw. He`s toast, what the Rats don`t kill, we will. Oh, life is good. Arnie must go, California will be so much better off when the state employee unions completely run things.
Get out of the way, Rats, the conservatives are here to help. ( heres the neat thing, when Arnie is gone, we can blame him, the villain, cause he wasn`t pure enough)
7 posted on 11/16/2005 9:46:38 PM PST by bybybill (remember, the fish come first)
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To: kingu

For a chuckle or worse of true, the CA GOP brain trust is floating Carly Fiorina for Lt. Gub .. even tho Tom would dance circles around her on the issues ..


8 posted on 11/16/2005 9:49:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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if true


9 posted on 11/16/2005 9:50:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
For a chuckle or worse of true, the CA GOP brain trust is floating Carly Fiorina for Lt. Gub .. even tho Tom would dance circles around her on the issues ..

*bangs head on table, again and again*
10 posted on 11/16/2005 9:51:13 PM PST by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: SierraWasp

BS, he came closer than anyone taking on the unions in CA. They spent 200 million dollars they no longer have. Next year, put the measures back on the ballot and see what happens when they haven't the money. We won big time and we have to keep hitting hard. We beat Davis, we faced the left and had them use most of their resources. Now is the time to strike harder than ever. Only weak ass limp wristed wrinkley assed GOP 90 pound weak-saucers would quit now!!


11 posted on 11/16/2005 9:54:36 PM PST by Porterville (Pray for War- Spanish by birth, American by the Grace of God!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Another Bustamante supporter...


12 posted on 11/16/2005 9:57:42 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Porterville
It was terrible advice from Pete Wilson to inflame the Unions with another Prop 226 that they just defeated in June 1998! Even worse, was the idea that they could out GOTV the Unions in an off-time election!! And worst of all is the CAGOP has sold it's soul to this big oaf who will fall all over himself to cow-tow to the Unions, now that he feels they have defeated him and has stated so, publicly!!!

That's about enough to pull all the wrinkles outa yer differential!!!

13 posted on 11/16/2005 10:01:47 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: FairOpinion

Ok, Johnny one note!!! However you wish to delude yourself...


14 posted on 11/16/2005 10:04:55 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: CALawyer

"replace him with"


The real conservative - who I voted for - Tom McClintock.


15 posted on 11/16/2005 10:07:23 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: CyberAnt
As much as I admire McClintock, I wouldn't hold my breath for "Mr. 13 percent" [from the recall] becoming our next governor.
16 posted on 11/16/2005 10:11:04 PM PST by CALawyer
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To: SierraWasp

That's a great idea, because, based on the recent special election, I'm sure another Republican could win in a landslide. Right?


17 posted on 11/16/2005 10:13:13 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: SierraWasp

I will vote for Arnold if he runs again. I like McClintock but he doesn't have statewide appeal. I live in one of the few conservative areas of SoCal. People outside CA don't understand that a true conservative simply can't win here at this time. You go with your best option and hope it works. Maybe the financial condition of California will someday convince voters that a fiscal conservative,like Arnold, could turn this state around if he continued to have the support of the voters. The ads against Arnold on the TV this past elections were disgusting. Personal attacks against HIM, not trying to sway voters to the other side.


18 posted on 11/16/2005 10:14:40 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, she managed to run Lucent and HP into the ground. Sounds like the perfect qualifications for a government worker.


19 posted on 11/16/2005 10:15:41 PM PST by CALawyer
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To: Porterville
They spent 200 million dollars they no longer have.

And can raise again in a heartbeat. On a per-member basis, it's worth every penny to them.

Funding conservative isssues is worth every penny to us too, but too many conservatives don't seem to know it.

20 posted on 11/16/2005 10:20:57 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: FairOpinion

Knock it off, Buffy.


21 posted on 11/16/2005 10:26:09 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: SierraWasp

A Christmas gift for the CA GOP...

22 posted on 11/16/2005 10:27:04 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: William Creel
Name one thing the party stands for other than to demand tax cuts.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

24 posted on 11/16/2005 10:36:07 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: CALawyer

But .. Arnold doesn't have 75% approval ratings either .. does he?

And .. since Arnold can't deliver .. I'd say that gives Tom a much better chance. Even if you don't agree!


25 posted on 11/16/2005 10:42:28 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: SierraWasp
Who will you vote for in next June's Primary? How 'bout next November???

Someone who is at least right of the goal post. Sheesh!

27 posted on 11/16/2005 10:52:58 PM PST by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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To: William Creel

Go back to NC, please!


28 posted on 11/16/2005 10:58:41 PM PST by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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To: SierraWasp

I agree with the article. The special election was a boneheaded move. Low turnout favored the unions. The RATS will takeover and the state will crash, than a real Republican can win.


29 posted on 11/16/2005 11:00:12 PM PST by John Lenin (Is it safe ?)
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To: John Lenin

I will welcome the day when a REAL Republican can win again in CA!


30 posted on 11/16/2005 11:02:54 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: William Creel

It's just a matter of time until boomers retire in mass and the budget explodes. tick-tock


32 posted on 11/16/2005 11:21:19 PM PST by John Lenin (Is it safe ?)
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To: SierraWasp

What a POS is our foe?


34 posted on 11/17/2005 2:46:45 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I'm sure another Republican could win in a landslide. Right?

Someone who actually supports the republican platform and isn't out to change the government by eliminating elected representation could win.
35 posted on 11/17/2005 6:54:44 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Like who, for example? Arnold told people via the props we needed to cut stuff in the budget. Look how well that went over.


36 posted on 11/17/2005 7:14:02 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Arnold told people via the props we needed to cut stuff in the budget

In a significant power grab for the governors office. Why can't he cut spending without trying to change the government in a way that harms the rights of the individual and the balance of power in the state government?

What exactly has been the governors focus since his election? He has completely reorganized the executive branch, giving way to much power to extremists like Sunne Wright McPeake, putting in numerous extremist environmentalists and planners to totally change Calfornia from a state where people have some freedom left to one that is very controlled--especially with respect to housing and transportation. He has created an unconstitutional council called the Sierra Nevada Conservancy, which undermines elected representation in the area and usurps authority from the individual citizen.

In the meantime, our infrastructure is still falling apart, the highways in the Bay Area are in such disrepair that you can't even believe you are in America, it seems more like East Germany before the Berlin wall fell.

His trade junkets are also questionable, he needs to tend to the state right now.
37 posted on 11/17/2005 7:23:14 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

You didn't answer my question. What hero from the GOP could be elected in CA right now?


38 posted on 11/17/2005 7:28:40 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
What hero from the GOP could be elected in CA right now?

Choose another RINO? No thanks.
39 posted on 11/17/2005 7:32:12 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

I SAID what other hero from the GOP, not what RINO. You don't have an answer because you know there isn't one. It's cute to cut down the guy in office because in imagination land there's a real conservative who could come in and do better, but that kind of talk isn't very productive in my opinion.


40 posted on 11/17/2005 8:28:08 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: SierraWasp
And I tend to agree with Mark. In fact, I've never met a radio talkster that I agree with half as much as him. Arnold has made it plain over the past week that he is the legislature's man from here on out.

Now, the question is how do we get Arnie into the dump truck? (and how do we get Sen. Tom to sign on???)

Now for the reality: It ain't going to happen.

41 posted on 11/17/2005 9:09:59 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor; GVgirl; doodlelady; FOG724; calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; ElkGroveDan; Amerigomag; ...
"It ain't going to happen."

Well that's absolutely true as long as we let the perpetual defeatists even here in the hotbed of conservative activism dominate the discussion with defeatism and dire predictions of interminable incrimentalism and other pussey thinking!!!

As for me and my house, I will serve the idea of implementing an attitude of refusing to accept the unacceptable pall of liberal to muderate muddleheadedness in CA politics under any circumstances, even the indefensable circumstances we find ourselves in at the moment, thanks to CAGOP's idiotic lack of sane leadership!!!

Why is there a disconnect between CA FReepers and the Party "Leadership?" Why aren't CA FReepers either seeking positions of leadership themselves, or working their way into the hearts of associates that could afford to seek positions of leadership, or even calling the current so-called "Leaders" into question in an effort to put the wheels back on the party apparatus, including a working steering wheel? (aka a working platform) The old one was thrown out the window clear back in 1998!!!

42 posted on 11/17/2005 9:49:18 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

Any comments I have made about the "the guy in office" are well deserved.

The GOP really messed up because they had a candidate who could have succeeded if they only backed him. Instead they chose to support a RINO. So asking me about what other hero from the GOP should be run makes no sense. Plenty of people could run who have conservative credentials, but they will not get the financial and other support form the CA GOP because the CA GOP has been taken over by the RINOS. In fact, most of the central committees in this state have as well. Look at the district of Rep. Doolittle. There is a battle to stop the RINOs from taking over that district. They are using the same tactics that were used to take over other central committees in the state. The state GOP refuses to protect itself from those that would take it over and subvert its platform.


43 posted on 11/17/2005 9:59:48 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: SierraWasp

I dunno about "dumping" (openly, anyway) him, but it would be great if Arnold sorta ... stepped aside for Tom McClintock this time. Maybe Arnold could get the nomination and THEN step aside, on the understanding that the nom would go to Tom? I'm unsure how that works. Anyway, I can dream.

Tom (one must assume) *only* chose not to run for the top office out of a sense of party loyalty. If Arnold is a millstone around the party's neck, though, then he should get out and go make "King Conan" ^^


44 posted on 11/17/2005 10:39:17 AM PST by pogo101
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To: hedgetrimmer

That is true that the CA GOP stinks and sells good candidates down the river. But Arnold won no thanks to their help, and my question to you remains, who could win? Name names, don't get give me the old 'all kinds of conservatives could win' nonsense. McClintock couldn't have won even with the lame state party backing because he isn't well liked, and this continues to be the case. And Arnold's prop elections were not a RINO move, in my opinion, but rather an attempt to bipass the dumb-sses in Sacratomato, in hopes that the voters would use their brains as they did to recall Gray Davis. Arnold was outspent and out t.v. advertised, again, no thanks to the CAGOP.


45 posted on 11/17/2005 10:44:59 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: CALawyer
"...while being replaced by illegal aliensour undocumented friends to the south."

In the interest of clarification...

46 posted on 11/17/2005 10:55:24 AM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: SierraWasp

I don't know yet, SW. Have to think about both.


47 posted on 11/17/2005 10:57:56 AM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: pogo101; ElkGroveDan; Cinnamon Girl
It would be interesting to see if the electorate is finally ready to appreciate and support McClintock.

This is borrowed from ElkGroveDan's page:

"The mentality that only liberal Republicans can win in Democrat leaning states is naive and simplistic.

"In fact the opposite is true. Democrats don't vote across party lines for candidates that are similar, they vote across party lines for candidates that offer something their party is LACKING, such as prolife and profamily moral direction."

48 posted on 11/17/2005 11:06:58 AM PST by b9
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To: Cinnamon Girl

I do think that Tom could win today for Gov. Two differences between '06 and '03:

1) Tom's built his popularity since '03, including respected name-recognition; and

2) '06 is a general election that follows a primary, whereas '03 was a "plurality wins" recall election in which it maybe made more sense to vote "Bustamante prevention."

I really do think that in '06, Tom could win and WOULD win if he were nominated.


49 posted on 11/17/2005 11:10:29 AM PST by pogo101
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To: hedgetrimmer; Jim Robinson; tubebender; forester; marsh2; ElkGroveDan; Amerigomag; NormsRevenge; ...
"Look at the district of Rep. Doolittle. There is a battle to stop the RINOs from taking over that district. They are using the same tactics that were used to take over other central committees in the state. The state GOP refuses to protect itself from those that would take it over and subvert its platform."

You couldn't be any more absolutely correct!!!

The really upsetting thing is, hedgetrimmer, is that THEY'RE HERE!!! (right here on FR!!!)

They're the ones pounding CA conservatives and especially Freepers with the self-fulfilling prophecy that conservatism cannot win in CA and must subject it'self at the very most, to incrementalism of an interminable nature to even subsist at a low level in CA's "New & Improved" GOP!!!

They are taking particular delight in the idea that we don't seem to have a champion at the moment and are determined to put down the only potential possiblity as a 13%er! (just in case McClintock should ever stick his head up again)

They do not dare allow us to criticize the big celebrity blowhard while we discuss the falicies being foisted upon Cauleeforneeyuns as somehow conservative friendly governmental policies! The conservative conversation must be "dissed" as divisive and harmful in their way of thinking! You know, it's "Be reasonable! See it my way!" (otherwise you should be cast into outer darkness)

Now that the special election is over, as well as the Recall election, the feeling of "The New Majority" is that those scary "righteous conservatives" are to be permanently marginalized and never allowed to regain Party positions that were once worked for and earned, but from which they have now been squeezed, or at best are ignored should they still hold said positions.

Third Party efforts are an exercise in futility! Only restoration of righteous conservative representation and majority restoration of a respectable Party Platform that is enforced through a democratic process will work to regain conservative influences throughout CA Republicanism as it thrived in the first half of the last decade and in the Reagan years before that.

Rodger Hedgecock, filling in for Rush Limbaugh today just said: "It is time to declare war on Republican moderates!" I would hope that war would at least start right here on FR!!!

50 posted on 11/17/2005 11:18:33 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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