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'I think it's a lie to say that the president lied'
US News & World Report ^ | Nov. 14, 2005 | Michael Barone

Posted on 11/17/2005 5:33:05 AM PST by conservativecorner

That is what John McCain said in response to Bob Schieffer's question on Face the Nation yesterday, "Do you believe it is unpatriotic to criticize the administration's Iraq policy?" Here's McCain's reply in full:

Michael Barone is a senior writer for U.S.News & World Report and principal coauthor of The Almanac of American Politics. He has written for many publications — including the Economist and the New York Times. More from Michael Barone

"No, I think it's a very legitimate aspect of American life to criticize and to disagree and to debate. But I want to say I think it's a lie to say that the president lied to the American people [boldface added]. I sat on the Robb-Silberman commission. I saw many, many analysts that came before that committee. I asked every one of them–I said, `Did–were you ever pressured politically or any other way to change your analysis of the situation as you saw [it]?' Every one of them said no. Now was there a colossal intelligence failure? Of course, there was. Is there still a lot that needs to be done to improve that? Are we winning the war on terror? I think it depends on your parameters. But to assert that the president intentionally lied to the American people is just wrong."

But that, of course, is what so many leading Democrats want the American people to think. And to judge from the polls, they have been making some headway since they shut the Senate down and imposed a secret session to consider this issue three weeks ago.

President Bush responded forthrightly in his speech on Veterans Day last week. He spoke at great length of the murderous ideology of "Islamic radicalism" instead of just unspecified terrorism—something he started doing only this fall and probably should have been doing long ago. Toward the end, he addressed the Democrats' charges:

"While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began. [Applause.] Some Democrats and antiwar critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war. These critics are fully aware that a bipartisan Senate investigation found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence community's judgments related to Iraq's weapons programs.

"They also know that intelligence agencies from around the world agreed with our assessment of Saddam Hussein. They know the United Nations passed more than a dozen resolutions citing his development and possession of weapons of mass destruction. And many of these critics supported my opponent during the last election, who explained his position to support the resolution in the Congress this way: 'When I vote to give the president of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security.' That's why more than a hundred Democrats in the House and the Senate–who had access to the same intelligence–voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power. [Applause.]

"The stakes in the global war on terror are too high, and the national interest is too important, for politicians to throw out false charges. [Applause.] These baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will. As our troops fight a ruthless enemy determined to destroy our way of life, they deserve to know that their elected leaders who voted to send them to war continue to stand behind them. [Applause.] Our troops deserve to know that this support will remain firm when the going gets tough. [Applause.] And our troops deserve to know that whatever our differences in Washington, our will is strong, our nation is united, and we will settle for nothing less than victory. [Applause.]"

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Of course, the Democrats are squawking. McCain and Bush are daring to call their charge—that Bush deliberately lied about intelligence—for the Big Lie that it is. The Democrats still argue that there needs to be an investigation of whether the administration lied about prewar intelligence. But, as the White House points out, the Senate Intelligence Committee, the Silberman-Robb commission, and Lord Butler in Britain have conducted such investigations and have found no manipulation of intelligence—and that the raw intelligence that leading members of the administration had at the time but members of Congress did not was even more alarming than what members of Congress had.

Michael Barone is a senior writer for U.S.News & World Report and principal coauthor of The Almanac of American Politics. He has written for many publications — including the Economist and the New York Times. More from Michael Barone

Go back, if we must, to 2002 and 2003. What we knew then was that (a) Saddam Hussein's regime had developed weapons of mass destruction—chemical and biological weapons and the beginnings of a nuclear weapons program—in the past, (b) that regime had used such weapons against its own people, and (c) that regime had refused over a long time to cooperate with the U.N. inspection program. Even apart from the intelligence reports indicating that WMD programs were continuing, it would have been grossly irresponsible for any U.S. government to have assumed that they had stopped. What kind of intelligence could we have obtained, in those circumstances, that would have convinced us that they had stopped? The failure of U.N. inspectors to find WMD programs? But they could easily be hidden, and the actions of regime operatives suggested they were hiding something. Statements by top-level defectors or regime members that the programs were not ongoing? Any intelligence analyst would have to assume that these might be disinformation. Statements by Saddam himself? Come on.

The Democrats are trying to relitigate the prewar intelligence issue in the hopes of delegitimizing this administration. But in delegitimizing the administration, they also tend to delegitimize the efforts of the U.S. government, including military personnel, in Iraq and generally in the war against Islamic terrorism. To the extent they delegitimize the United States, they are hurting the cause of freedom for millions of people. I do not say the Democrats are being unpatriotic, a word they seem fixated on. So far as I am aware, no responsible Republican has charged that they are unpatriotic; John McCain refused Bob Schieffer's invitation to do so. But I do say this: The Democrats who are peddling the Big Lie of "Bush lied" are doing so either (a) deliberately to injure the cause of the United States and of freedom in the world or, as I think, (b) with reckless disregard of whether they injure the cause of the United States and of freedom in the world. What they are doing may suit their political needs, but it hurts our country.

I'll leave the last word to Fred Hiatt, editorial-page editor of the Washington Post, who seems to take a similar view in his column today.

"'Those aren't irrelevant questions [about prewar intelligence],' says Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.). 'But the more they dominate the public debate, the harder it is to sustain public support for the war.'

"What Lieberman doesn't say is that many Democrats would view such an outcome as an advantage. Their focus on 2002 is a way to further undercut President Bush, and Bush's war, without taking the risk of offering an alternative strategy–to satisfy their withdraw-now constituents without being accountable for a withdraw-now position.

"Many of them understand that dwindling public support could force the United States into a self-defeating position, and that defeat in Iraq would be disastrous for the United States as well as for [Iraqi Vice President Adel Abdul] Mahdi and his countrymen. But the taste of political blood as Bush weakens, combined with their embarrassment at having supported the war in the first place, seems to override that understanding."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barone; bush43; bushlied; iraq; prewarintelligence

1 posted on 11/17/2005 5:33:06 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Big time ping. Well thought out Mr. Barone!


2 posted on 11/17/2005 5:39:45 AM PST by bagadonutz
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To: conservativecorner

bttt


3 posted on 11/17/2005 5:42:06 AM PST by Chuck54 (Free Scooter, Indict Joe W)
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To: conservativecorner

"Some Democrats and antiwar critics are now claiming we manipulated the intelligence and misled the American people about why we went to war."

Democrats could be credible in this attack if they themselves had verifiable information to the contrary. They do not and they will not. So instead, they attack the President and the action he carried out given the information HE had at the time. It is really THAT simple.


4 posted on 11/17/2005 5:55:00 AM PST by SMARTY
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To: Temple Owl
FYI "No, I think it's a very legitimate aspect of American life to criticize and to disagree and to debate. But I want to say I think it's a lie to say that the president lied to the American people [boldface added]. I sat on the Robb-Silberman commission.
5 posted on 11/17/2005 5:56:59 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: conservativecorner

So take them to task, file slander charges.

Could it be done?


6 posted on 11/17/2005 6:02:40 AM PST by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: conservativecorner

I don't just think it is a lie to say that the President lied (or mislead, or manipulated). I KNOW it is.


7 posted on 11/17/2005 6:03:47 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: bagadonutz
He's a real political sage, and someone who really really knows politics. One of my favorite political commentators!
8 posted on 11/17/2005 6:05:52 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
I am really enjoying the squealing that the Democrats are doing now that the President and his allies are hitting back and exposing the Big Lie. Honestly, what in the world were the Libs thinking when they decided to promote a line of attack that they knew full well was a bald faced lie? They went ahead with it despite being on record in 1998 during the Clinton Administration and in 2002-2003 during the run up to the current conflict. It's all there in black and white, video and audio. A total "slam dunk", if you will. And yet they went ahead with it anyway. So much for being our intellectual superiors.
9 posted on 11/17/2005 6:11:32 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: conservativecorner

Democrat senators= STUCK ON STUPID. This should be the new add of republicans


10 posted on 11/17/2005 6:13:29 AM PST by primatreat ("Serving research animals with enrichment products into the research industry for 35 years")
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To: SMARTY

Well...the FBI is doing a great job protecting the Chicago Bears.


11 posted on 11/17/2005 6:13:42 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Graycliff

Some questions come to mind:

Could Harry Reid be forced, under oath, to reveal the "sources" for his otherwise unsubtantiated charge that some intelligence was "hidden" from the Senate?

If he doesn't reveal his "sources", could he be sent to jail for "contempt"?



12 posted on 11/17/2005 6:23:14 AM PST by pfony1
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To: conservativecorner

The GOP video is AWESOME--Democrats: Dishonest on Iraq.


13 posted on 11/17/2005 6:23:57 AM PST by jcb8199
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To: conservativecorner

yes. He is quiet, dignified and knows of what he speaks. Very credible in our eyes.


14 posted on 11/17/2005 6:28:31 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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To: Reaganesque
Huh.

This is just more "singing to the choir". The members of the Left out there don't believe a word of it, and never will. It just adds fuel to their contention that the press is biased to the Right.

To me it seems simple: If you don't like this president (and many do not) all the pontification in the world from the talking heads is not going to change your mind. One thing about this administration, it doesn't leave many people sitting on the fence. You either love 'em or hate 'em.

While this exposure of the RATS may help to bolster the base it does little to settle the national debate over justification for Operation Iraqi Freedom.

15 posted on 11/17/2005 6:44:19 AM PST by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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