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To: raj bhatia
The punch line: "How ridiculous to make evolution the enemy of God.

I usually agree with Krauthammer 1000 percent. But I think he's gotten things a little ass backwards here. First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists. As Christians they believed in an intelligent designer; i.e, God. Very few, possibly no evolutionists are devout Christians. It is in fact the evolutionist, the enemy of intelligent design, who makes himself the enemy of God.

8 posted on 11/17/2005 9:55:04 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: kimosabe31

"First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists. As Christians they believed in an intelligent designer; i.e, God. Very few, possibly no evolutionists are devout Christians. It is in fact the evolutionist, the enemy of intelligent design, who makes himself the enemy of God."

I don't think you understood the article. The notion of intelligent design is not inconsistent with evolution. But one is faith, and one is science. Actually, many evolutionists are devout Christians, because they are not so arrogant as to argue that their interpretation of Scripture must be correct even when faced with strong evidence to the contrary.


10 posted on 11/17/2005 9:57:52 PM PST by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: kimosabe31; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; marron; xzins
It is in fact the evolutionist, the enemy of intelligent design, who makes himself the enemy of God.

Very good points, Kimosabe.

FWIW:

Science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Albert Einstein, Ideas and Opinions, New York, 1954 p. 46.

17 posted on 11/17/2005 10:12:12 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: kimosabe31
First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists. As Christians they believed in an intelligent designer; i.e, God.

Einstein was Jewish, not Christian. ....and Krauthammer acknowledged in the article that they both believed in God. Krauthammer's central points are that A) belief in God and acknowledging the scientific validity of natural selection are not incompatible, and B) belief in God and recognizing that "intelligent design" is junk science are not incompatible.

26 posted on 11/17/2005 10:26:22 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: kimosabe31
First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists. As Christians they believed in an intelligent designer; i.e, God.

Newton was a heretical Chrisitian. Einstein: not so much

Very few, possibly no evolutionists are devout Christians.

You misspoke

31 posted on 11/17/2005 10:42:03 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: kimosabe31
First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists. As Christians they believed in an intelligent designer; i.e, God.

Have IQs dropped suddenly??? Einstein was raised Jewish.

42 posted on 11/17/2005 10:57:49 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: kimosabe31
It will be a big surprise to Einstien(sic) to find out he was a Christian
71 posted on 11/18/2005 3:53:26 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: kimosabe31
First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists. As Christians they believed in an intelligent designer;

Einstein, a Christian - NOT. He was Jewish, and not very devout. His concept of a God was not a personal God, but one that was distant and hands-off. Evolution, to Einstein, is a natural process initiated by God, but left to it's own results.

Creationists who cite Einstein need to learn more about this very interesting fellow.

73 posted on 11/18/2005 5:19:57 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: kimosabe31
First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists. As Christians they believed in an intelligent designer

Where do you get this stuff? Are there special comic books for true believers?

86 posted on 11/18/2005 6:48:27 AM PST by liberallarry
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To: kimosabe31
"First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists. As Christians they believed in an intelligent designer; i.e, God."

Not only was Einstein not Christian, he WAS in agreement with evolution. And what is the point of using Newton as an anti-evolutionist when the theory wasn't formulated until about 140 years after he was dead? Newton didn't believe in the Cell Theory either; big whoop.

"Very few, possibly no evolutionists are devout Christians."

This is a baldfaced lie. MOST evolutionists (In the USA at any rate) are Christians.
87 posted on 11/18/2005 6:57:10 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: kimosabe31

"Very few, possibly no evolutionists are devout Christians."

Completely false.

I am a Jew who converted to Christianity I believe in the Word so much.

I also see no discord between a proper reading of Genesis (without an agenda and pre-conceived ideas) and God using evolution (whose natural rules He created, after all) to make man.

Indeed, while not a Roman Catholic expert, the nearest-to-official pronoucement from the RCC (by far the largest Christian denomination, followed by the Anglican that expresses much the same belief -- together amounting to probably 2/3 of Christiandom) is that Word and the science of evolution are perfectly harmonious.


88 posted on 11/18/2005 7:06:47 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: kimosabe31
First of all, neither Newton nor Einstien were evolutionists.

Newton was not, mainly because the theory of evolution had not been thought of during his life. Einstein, however, most certainly was an "evolutionist."

As Christians

Einstein was no Christian.

Very few, possibly no evolutionists are devout Christians.

I know from first hand experience that this is not the case. And I myself, while not a Christian, am pretty serious about my religion.

It is in fact the evolutionist, the enemy of intelligent design, who makes himself the enemy of God.

You seem mighty presumptive, speaking for God.

100 posted on 11/18/2005 7:51:36 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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