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Iran president's religious views arouse interest (dangerous idealogy)
Yahoo! News ^ | Thu Nov 17

Posted on 11/18/2005 12:57:19 AM PST by F14 Pilot

TEHRAN (Reuters) - His call for the destruction of Israel may have grabbed headlines abroad, but it is President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's devotion to a mystical religious figure that is arousing greater interest inside Iran.

In a keynote speech on Wednesday to senior clerics, Ahmadinejad spoke of his strong belief in the second coming of Shi'ite Muslims' "hidden" 12th Imam.

According to Shi'ite Muslim teaching, Abul-Qassem Mohammad, the 12th leader whom Shi'ites consider descended from the Prophet Mohammed, disappeared in 941 but will return at the end of time to lead an era of Islamic justice.

"Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi," Ahmadinejad said in the speech to Friday Prayers leaders from across the country.

"Therefore, Iran should become a powerful, developed and model Islamic society."

"Today, we should define our economic, cultural and political policies based on the policy of Imam Mahdi's return. We should avoid copying the West's policies and systems," he added, newspapers and local news agencies reported.

Ahmadinejad refers to the return of the 12th Imam, also known as the Mahdi, in almost all his major speeches since he took office in August.

A September address to the U.N. General Assembly contained long passages on the Mahdi which confused Western diplomats and irked those from Sunni Muslim countries who believe in a different line of succession from Mohammed.

This fascination has prompted wild stories to circulate.

Presidential aides have denied a popular rumor that he ordered his cabinet to write a letter to the 12th Imam and throw it down a well near the holy city of Qom where thousands of pilgrims come each week to pray and drop messages to the Imam.

SECRETIVE SOCIETY

But what really has tongues wagging is the possibility that Ahmadinejad's belief in the 12th Imam's return may be linked to the supposed growing influence of a secretive society devoted to the Mahdi which was banned in the early 1980s.

Founded in 1953 and used by the Shah of Iran to try to eradicate followers of the Bahai faith, the Hojjatieh Society is governed by the conviction that the 12th Imam's return will be hastened by the creation of chaos on earth.

Ahmadinejad, who is only the second non-cleric to become president since the revolution, has made clear his immense respect for Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi, a deeply conservative cleric with close ties to the Hojjatieh-founded Haqqani theological school in Qom.

Conspiracy theorists, never in short supply in Iran, allege that many members of Ahmadinejad's cabinet and other key appointees are Haqqani graduates and Hojjatieh followers.

"It seems that they (Hojjatieh members) have recently become more active and are spread through the government," said a political analyst who declined to be named.

"The president has repeatedly said his government will pave the way for the Imam's return."

But others point out that many former government officials, perceived as moderates, graduated from Haqqani.

Haqqani's continued links to Hojjatieh, though rumored, have not been proven and it remains one of the most prestigious theological schools in Qom.

Ahmadinejad's emphasis on the importance of development and justice to encourage the Mahdi's return, also suggest an important divergence from Hojjatieh thinking.

But he would be better advised to focus his speeches on practical rather than religious issues, said former Vice-President Mohammad Ali Abtahi.

"Of course, we must pray for the return of the Imam, but we must also tackle inflation and unemployment," the reformist cleric told Reuters.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cult; imamzaman; iran; islam; nuclear; terrorism; us

1 posted on 11/18/2005 12:57:22 AM PST by F14 Pilot
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Founded in 1953 and used by the Shah of Iran to try to eradicate followers of the Bahai faith

Another piece of BS by MSM.. the Shah prime minister, for 13 yrs, was a Bahai person called Amir Hoveyda!

2 posted on 11/18/2005 12:58:39 AM PST by F14 Pilot (I hate CNN!)
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To: F14 Pilot

I thought that Iran had turned the corner on fascism...how did this fanatic get elected?


3 posted on 11/18/2005 1:02:11 AM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

He was chosen by the supreme leader in a sham election


4 posted on 11/18/2005 1:03:01 AM PST by F14 Pilot (I hate CNN!)
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To: cherry

What makes you think he was "elected"?


5 posted on 11/18/2005 1:06:47 AM PST by DB ()
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To: F14 Pilot

The Antichrist?


6 posted on 11/18/2005 1:08:29 AM PST by DB ()
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To: DB

i dunno.. but this theory of hidden Imam makes me very nervous!


7 posted on 11/18/2005 1:10:12 AM PST by F14 Pilot (I hate CNN!)
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To: F14 Pilot

bttt


8 posted on 11/18/2005 1:17:49 AM PST by kalee
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To: F14 Pilot

Let me see if I have this correct - they're suggesting that Ahmadinejad may be intentionally creating chaos in the belief that doing so will bring about the return of the 12th Imam?

Sounds pretty ominous in the context of nuclear weapons and wiping Israel off the map.

I think the Mullahs are realizing that they're going to have to reign this guy in. If he's as crazy as he appears to be this could get interesting fast.


9 posted on 11/18/2005 1:28:46 AM PST by notfornothing
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To: F14 Pilot

Don't forget Ahmadinejad's buddy is the current Prime Minister of Iraq, Mr. Jaafari.


10 posted on 11/18/2005 1:31:32 AM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: notfornothing

reign?!? oops.


11 posted on 11/18/2005 1:35:37 AM PST by notfornothing
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To: F14 Pilot
The bahai montecarmelo blog has a detailed history of Ahmadinejad, the Hojjatieh society and its implications for Iraq. A long read, but very interesting. It goes a long way in explaining Ahmadinejad's self-confident psychosis playing out on the international stage

TEHRAN - When mild-mannered former Iranian president Mohammad Khatami lashed out in a post-election sermon at the "powerful organization" behind the "shallow-thinking traditionalists with their Stone-Age backwardness" currently running the country, it became clear that Iran's political establishment is worried by the ideology propelling the government of new hardline President Mahmud Ahmadinejad.

Khatami's attack coincides with mounting evidence that a radically anti-Bahai [1] and anti-Sunni semi-clandestine society, called the Hojjatieh, is reemerging in the corridors of power in Tehran. The group flourished during the 1979 revolution that ousted the Shah and installed an Islamic government in his place, and was banned in 1983 by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the father of the revolution.

Khomeini objected to the Hojjatieh's rejection of his doctrine of velayat-e faqih (Guardianship of the Jurist) and its conviction that chaos must be created to hasten the coming of the Mahdi, the 12th Shi'ite imam. Only then, they argue, can a genuine Islamic republic be established.

"Those who regarded the revolution, during Imam Khomeini's time, as a deviation, are now [wielding] the tools of terror and oppression," Khatami was reported as saying at a speech in the conservative northeastern town of Mashhad, the same location chosen by Ahmadinejad to convene the first meeting of his cabinet.

"The shallow-thinking traditionalists with their Stone-Age backwardness now have a powerful organization behind them," he said, in what was interpreted as an indirect reference to the Hojjatieh society.

Khatami's sharp comments followed an outburst by Ahmad Tavassoli, a former chief of staff of Khomeini. Tavassoli claimed that the executive branch of the Iranian government as well as the crack troops of the Revolutionary Guards had been hijacked by the Hojjatieh, which, he implied, now also controls Ahmadinejad.

Amid talk that the recent election was a silent coup carried out by elements of the hardline Revolutionary Guard after eight years of reformist rule, Western embassies have been scrambling to understand what the Hojjatieh stands for and to what extent the influence of its teachings will be felt in the new government's domestic and foreign policies.

Asia Times Online spoke last week with European and North American diplomats in Tehran who are trying to identify which of the new government's ministers have sympathies with the Hojjatieh or a part in the organization. After its banning in the 1980s, the Hojjatieh's members faded into the ranks of the bazaar-based Islamic Coalition Society (Mo'talife). Reports in the past few years that the society is reviving have stressed that the neo-Hojjatieh are not so much anti-Bahai as "fanning the flames of discord between Shi'ites and Sunnis", according to the August 28, 2002 edition of the Hamshahri daily.

Ahmadinejad himself is said to have sympathies with the Hojjatieh, if he was not a member outright at some point in his career. The Islamic society he belonged to at Alm-u Sanat University where he attended was an extreme traditional and fundamentalist group that contained a large number of students from the provinces and maintained grass-roots links with the Hojjatieh. The society's anti-leftism also chimes with reports that Ahmadinejad was pushing for a takeover of the Soviet Embassy alongside or instead of the US compound in Tehran during the 1979 revolution.

Of the 21 new ministers in Ahmadinejad's cabinet, three are said to have Hojjatieh backgrounds, including Intelligence chief Hojatoleslam Gholam Hossein Mohseni-Ejehyi, a graduate of the Hojjatieh-founded Haqqani theological school with a long background in the intelligence services. Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi, a hardline Shi'ite cleric who is said to have issued a fatwa urging all 2 million members of the bassij Islamic militia [2] to vote for Ahmadinejad in the recent presidential elections, is also associated with that university.

The hardline minister of the interior, Mostafa Pourmohammadi, is another Haqqani alumnus with suspected Hojjatieh sympathies. His appointment was greeted with outrage by some Iranian politicians. Tehran member of parliament Emad Afruq was reported by Islamic Republic News Agency on August 24 to have challenged Pourmohammadi's appointment on the basis of his questionable human rights record while at the Ministry of Intelligence: "You must recognize that when someone comes from such a ministry, with this past and the absence of supervisory mechanisms, our reaction is that we shudder with fear in the public arena. And have we not shuddered? Have we not felt insecure in the past?"

A few days after the new cabinet was revealed, a dinner party in North Tehran's exclusive Elahiyeh neighborhood was buzzing with talk of Hojjatieh involvement in the new government. One Iranian working as a political analyst for a Western embassy fingered the controversial Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi as the main reason behind the transformation of an initially anarchist movement that rejected any form of government, especially an Islamic one, into a key actor influencing the policies of the Ahmadinejad administration. The powerful cleric is said to be Ahmadinejad's marja-e taqlid (object of emulation) and the ultimate proponent of an elite theory of government best summed up in his once saying: "It doesn't matter what the people think. The people are ignorant sheep. There is no doubt that Mesbah and the new crew, whether formally Hojjatieh or not, are more attached to core Shi'ite identity and values," said Vali Nast, a professor of Middle East politics at the Department of National Security Affairs. "But an equally important faction, especially in the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Council, is simply anti-Ba'athist. These are people who fought in the Iran-Iraq war and that may also be important in deciding attitudes towards Saudi Arabia and Iraq."

At a time of rising Sunni-Shi'ite tensions in the region, and as Iraq increasingly turns into a proxy battleground for its neighbors, it is not surprising that a Shi'ite supremacist government in Tehran, whether related to the Hojjatieh or not, should reemerge. Saudi Arabia and Iran are battling it out in Iraq as both seek to win the hearts and minds of ordinary Iraqis, the majority of whom are Shi'ites. While Iran is believed to have a better intelligence presence in the country and a more organized military capability, Saudis account for a large percentage of the suicide bombers active there.

In an August Newsweek article, former Central Intelligence Agency agent Robert Baer quoted a high-level Syrian official telling him that of 1,200 suspected suicide bombers arrested by the Syrians since Iraq was invaded in 2003, 85% have been Saudis. Baer went on to quote Iran's Grand Ayatollah Saanei reacting to the news by describing Wahhabi suicide bombers as "wolves without pity" and saying that "sooner rather than later, Iran will have to put them down". Saudi Arabia is also reported to be active in Iran, especially in the ethnically Arab, oil-rich south of the country, where it is whispered that Riyadh is offering financial incentives for locals to convert from Shi'ite to Sunni Islam. News of this strategy has reached Qom, the clerical heartland of Iran.

In an April 2004 article, Persian-language Baztab news website that is written by well-connected insiders and read by Iran's political elite, published a piece alleging that the Hojjatieh had adopted a strategy of trying to sharpen domestic tensions between Sunnis and Shi'ites through launching a propaganda campaign against the minority religious group inside Iran (Sunnis). The report alleged that some Hojjatieh-aligned publishers have been issuing books in Arabic that are critical of Sunnis. The books have been distributed in Qom, but are fictitiously marked "Published in Beirut" to give them further credibility and mask the fact they are Shi'ite propaganda. This is a potentially dangerous move with grave foreign policy implications for Iran. Iran's Sunni minorities live in some of the least-developed provinces and are under-represented in parliament, the army and the civil service. Iran's Kurds, who are Sunni, have been rioting in the north, while the ethnic Arab south is another location that has suffered riots and a bombing campaign in the past six months.

But whether the Hojjatieh is being resurrected by its former adherents or is being used as a battering ram by those Iranian politicians opposed to the current government, its reappearance coincides with a Shi'ite resurgence across the region and a new era of conservative factional infighting in Tehran. "This particular form of mud-slinging that had disappeared a quarter of a century ago - when the secular left accused the religious establishment of having clandestine Hojjatieh affiliations - is gaining currency again in the new battle of Titans: the traditional right-wing versus the revolutionary right-wing clerical establishment - over ideological hegemony in Iran," concluded Mahmoud Sadri, a US-based Iranian academic.

12 posted on 11/18/2005 1:36:32 AM PST by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: Antioch

Thanks for posting that. Fascinating read.

I wonder if John Batchelor knows about this....


13 posted on 11/18/2005 1:45:26 AM PST by notfornothing
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To: F14 Pilot

The Islamic Prophecy:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=3042


14 posted on 11/18/2005 1:47:58 AM PST by Fred Nerks (The media isn't mainstream it's the ENEMY! The enemy enemy ENEMEDIA!)
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To: notfornothing

Yes!


15 posted on 11/18/2005 1:49:24 AM PST by F14 Pilot (I hate CNN!)
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To: cherry

The election was rigged. I am sure someone here has a link to the articles. From what I recall, a so-called moderate (name long since forgotten by me) was in the lead by a decent margin and Ahmadinajad all of a sudden had enough votes to win.


16 posted on 11/18/2005 2:17:40 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Liberalism is the disease of the stupid - The Great One)
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To: F14 Pilot

Sniper-fodder!

Imagine this guy with a nuclear bomb in his arsenal? Yegads!


17 posted on 11/18/2005 3:16:53 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: F14 Pilot
Of course, we must pray for the return of the Imam, but we must also tackle inflation and unemployment," the reformist cleric told Reuters.

I think most Iraninas would agree with this

18 posted on 11/18/2005 3:24:39 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: F14 Pilot

This in Muslim prophecy concerning the second coming of the twelveth Hidden Iman is the False Prophet of the Book of Revelation that is given all lying signs and wonders and causes the earth to worship the beast. The fourth Beast of Daniel is Muslimism

The Roman Catholics have their own prophecies from St. Malachi concerning the destruction of Vatican City and the ceasing of the Oblation that Catholicism has offered since 250 AD

It says that the beast will have a wound on the neck and it done by a sword. Islam is the only religion or country executes supposed apostates lopping off heads with a sword -- one day there is going to be an execution probably televised and you can guess the rest

The leader of Iran is saying that he "Like John the Baptist" needs to prepare the way for the false prophet to appear.

We may be a lot closer to all of this than most preachers seem to think.

Recently I have come upon a book called the Martyrdom of Isaiah - this book entails Isiah being sawn assunder that is mentioned in the book of Hebrews but the book has grave undertones of Matthew 24 Daniel and the book of reveltiaton as to the coming of the false prophet and the rise of antichrist.

The Jews have a tradition that elijah will come before the great and terrible day of the Lord (read that as the second coming of Christ) in Zechariah the prophet it is prophesied that one called zerubabbel shall appear with a plumbline in his hand he is accompanied by two olive trees in revelation we read that the two olive trees are two prophets that will be slain by the false prophet

But revelation is silent on zerubababel -- Paul the apostle said that he was one that was born out of season -- intimating he felt somewhat that that was not his time I am not suggesting at all that Paul will come again but I am flat saying that God will raise up one like elijah that shall show his people the difference between that which is holy and that which is profane. That this zerubabel shall make the ways straight and restore the foundations of the church and say this is the way walk ye in it. And during his ministry the two prophets of revelation shall arise and begin to bring the judgements of Gud upon a corrupt and complacent church.

Then this false islamic prophet shall arise slay the two prophets and do all sign and wonders that the world and the worldly church shall worship the beast.











19 posted on 11/18/2005 3:50:33 AM PST by Rocketman
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To: Personal Responsibility
a so-called moderate (name long since forgotten by me) was in the lead by a decent margin and Ahmadinajad all of a sudden had enough votes to win.

Yes, but the real fix was in before the election even started in that only those candidates that the all-powerful Mullahs hand pick are allowed to run. It would be as if George Bush were to select the two candidates for the 2008 election and not allow voting for anyone else.

Of course, this all gets lost on the MSM.
20 posted on 11/18/2005 7:53:34 AM PST by notfornothing
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