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Dems look to impeachment '06
http://www.realclearpolitcs.com ^ | 11/18/05 | Mort Kondrake

Posted on 11/18/2005 6:53:55 AM PST by teddyballgame

November 18, 2005 Will Democratic Charges That Bush 'Lied' Lead To His Impeachment? By Mort Kondracke

The 2006 election is shaping up to be a bitterly fought referendum on President Bush - to the point where, if Democrats win, they just might impeach him.

The "I-word" so far is mainly tossed around in the left-wing blogosphere: Barbra Streisand is calling for impeachment on her Web site, for example, as is an unofficial "progressive" site called Democrats.com. But Democratic accusations that Bush lied to get the United States into the Iraq war would seem to lead logically to demands for his removal from office.

The level of venom infusing the Iraq debate, already toxic, has escalated in the past few days as Bush defends himself against charges of lying and Democrats accuse him of "smearing" them and questioning their patriotism.

On Monday, for example, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) charged that Bush "dishonored America's veterans and those serving today" by playing "attack politics" in a Veterans Day speech.

In the speech, Bush quoted Kerry, before he voted for the Iraq war, as saying that Saddam Hussein's "deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction is a threat, and a great threat, to our national security." Bush added that it is "irresponsible" for Democrats to "rewrite the history" of how the United States went to war.

He said that the Democrats' "baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and an enemy that is questioning our will." Kerry accused Bush of charging that Democrats were "unpatriotic." Kerry also asserted that Bush did not rely on faulty intelligence before the war, "as Democrats did," but waged "a concerted campaign to twist the intelligence to justify a war (he) had already decided to fight."

And, said Kerry, "How are the same Republicans who tried to impeach a president over whether he misled a nation about an affair going to pretend it does not matter if the administration intentionally misled the country into war?"

So, here we have the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate using the I-word in an attack on Bush, albeit indirectly. I'd bet it was a trial balloon, designed to get the idea out on the table without having to accept responsibility for actually recommending it.

The idea has been floated previously by some House liberals. Last month, Congressional Quarterly reported that Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said it "would be an impeachable offense" if evidence proved that Bush or Vice President Cheney authorized aides to mislead lawmakers.

In June, Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), ranking member on the House Judiciary Committee, held a mock impeachment inquiry based on the "Downing Street memo" that claimed Bush had made up his mind to go to war even as he was saying that Hussein could still come into compliance with United Nations resolutions.

Kerry repeated that allegation on Monday in the course of charging that "the war in Iraq was and remains one of the great acts of misleading and deception in American history."

Newspapers also have quoted Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-N.Y.) as saying that "this administration has committed more impeachable offenses than any other government in history" and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) as saying that "lying to the Congress about a large public purpose such as Iraq" fit the constitutional test of "high crimes and misdemeanors" better than lying about sex, the offense that led Republicans to impeach former President Bill Clinton.

To be sure, no party leader has mentioned impeachment, but it's clear that Democrats are eagerly searching for "smoking guns" - positive proof that Bush deceived Congress and/or that Cheney helped leak the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame, wife of Bush critic Joseph Wilson.

The "special investigations division" of the minority staff of the House Government Reform Committee has produced a 30-page report alleging that in 125 appearances before the war, Bush, Cheney and other top officials "made 11 misleading statements about the urgency of Iraq's threat, 81 misleading statements about Iraq's nuclear activities, 84 misleading statements about Iraq's chemical and biological capabilities and 61 misleading statements about Iraq's relationship with al Qaeda."

In response to Bush's assertions, backed by voluminous citations, that Democrats, too, looked at U.S. intelligence and declared that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, Democrats have shifted ground, declaring either that Bush had privileged information or purposely denied Congress evidence conflicting with his assertions.

The GOP response to that has been to accuse Democrats of partisanship - of accepting Clinton administration WMD assertions as true while now challenging Bush's. Some Republicans also are producing evidence to rebut charges that Bush withheld evidence that would have disproved his WMD claims.

Regardless of whether Democrats ever file articles of impeachment, it's now almost inevitable that Bush will be Topic A in the 2006 election, much as Clinton was in the 1994 and 1998 off-year elections.

In 1994, Republicans capitalized on the collapse of Clinton's health care agenda to win a net 52 House seats and regain control of both houses of Congress for the first time in 40 years. But in 1998, even though Clinton's approval rating descended as low as 39 percent after disclosures that he lied about his affair with Monica Lewinsky, Democrats gained five House seats after Republicans forecast that they would impeach him after the election - as they did.

"We overplayed our hand," said Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.), who later became chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. "The Democrats had better watch out that they don't do the same."

So far, Democrats are at the edge of overplaying their hand. They are riding a wave of popular distrust with Bush's war policy, and they're doing everything possible to boost it. This week, as Senate Minority leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was interpreting the Senate as having cast a "vote of no confidence" in Bush's war policy, his spokesman, Jim Manley, declared that "the contrast between Democrats and Republicans could not be clearer.

"On the same day that Senate Democrats outlined a path for success in Iraq, Republicans launched another round of misleading smears in order to improve their fortunes," he said. Manley told me he had heard no discussion among Democratic Senators about impeaching Bush. But the level of contempt for Bush among Democrats certainly rivals that among Republicans for Clinton. If they think they have a "smoking gun," I doubt Democrats can restrain themselves.

Mort Kondracke is the Executive Editor of Roll Call.

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1 posted on 11/18/2005 6:53:55 AM PST by teddyballgame
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To: teddyballgame

welcome to fr!


2 posted on 11/18/2005 6:57:00 AM PST by philsfan24
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To: philsfan24

Thanks! Long time lurker, first time poster.


3 posted on 11/18/2005 6:58:39 AM PST by teddyballgame
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To: teddyballgame

In my long life I have never seen so much hate shown towards any president as these Damolcraps express constantly. The MSM also does it bit to contribute to the hate. I don't think Nixon was hated this much.


4 posted on 11/18/2005 7:02:07 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: teddyballgame

I seriously doubt this will happen, they know they would be overplaying their hand. At the moment, the best the Democrats can do is subtly nuance that the White House had different intelligence than what they got (While technically true, it was DIFFERENT, the conclusions were all the same). This wont wash in a full investigation. All they need now is the allegations and innuendo to win back some seats in 06 and the presidency in 08. This is all politics, plain and simple. A full blown impeachment hearing would hurt the Democrat cause in the long run, but in the short run, talking about it will help them.


5 posted on 11/18/2005 7:02:29 AM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: teddyballgame

Welcome. Good post.

I would love them to try this. The backlash would be enormous. Hell, I would probably march on Washington.


6 posted on 11/18/2005 7:02:34 AM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: teddyballgame

ibtz?


7 posted on 11/18/2005 7:02:52 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush and the SAPPS)
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To: teddyballgame

oh yeah! bring it on. following the Clinton impeachment, this will play real good to the middle of the road types. they'll see the dems in a new light.

please proceed.


8 posted on 11/18/2005 7:02:57 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Piquaboy

GWB is probably the most hated President since Lincoln.


9 posted on 11/18/2005 7:03:06 AM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: teddyballgame

1. The articles for Impeachment would be bogus is based upon "Bush Lied."
2. He would never be convicted in a fair Senate trial.
3. If he were unfairly convicted, too many of us (and I am no Bush fan) personally would take up arms against the RATs in a new Civil War.
4. I wonder how many RATs would have the stomach to fight an American insurgency when they scurry for surrender in the global war on terrorism?


10 posted on 11/18/2005 7:03:09 AM PST by meandog (FUDU)
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To: teddyballgame
This has been the Party of Treason strategy since 2001. They know an impeachment would fall flat on it's face. Their only interest along with a willing MSM accomplice is to smear Bush and Republicans in order to regain power at any cost. They will reap what they sow.
11 posted on 11/18/2005 7:04:30 AM PST by Apercu ("Res ipsa loquitur")
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To: Paradox

If Impeachment talk gains steam, this could backfire big time on the Democrats. This could really turn out the conservative base in '06 if Dems overplay their hand.


12 posted on 11/18/2005 7:04:33 AM PST by teddyballgame
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To: philsfan24

Yep, and if Bush had NOT invaded Iraq right now the dems would be out there saying Bush let Saddam get away with having WMD's and put our country at risk. Then, they would be talking about impeaching him for failing to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I disagree with Kondrake on one point. The dems are waaay over the edge on overplaying their hand. They are out McGoverning McGovern. Moreover, they peaked a bit early. There is too much time between now and the 2006 elections. The Libby case is falling apart (and could bring the credibility of the MSM even further down the toilet), DeLay's indictment is looking to be more and more the direct work of the dems, and Bush is swinging back with both barrels.


13 posted on 11/18/2005 7:04:56 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: teddyballgame

You know the difference between Republicans and the dimorats? If W. is guilty of any impeachable offense, (which he isn't), we will have the courage to do what is right and remove him from office. There will be no shameless impeachment rally and march to the White House as occured when slick willie klintoon left his spunk on that fat little girl's dress.


14 posted on 11/18/2005 7:06:44 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush and the SAPPS)
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To: teddyballgame
... his spokesman, Jim Manley, declared that "the contrast between Democrats and Republicans could not be clearer.

No argument there !

15 posted on 11/18/2005 7:07:20 AM PST by 1066AD
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To: FlipWilson

i agree 100%. they are going overboard with this. its gonna totally backfire on them if they even think about impeaching the president. good thing they are peaking now instead of next year. i think they have already peaked and a year is an eternity in politics.


16 posted on 11/18/2005 7:08:29 AM PST by philsfan24
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To: FlipWilson

Remember with Dems its not the facts of the case, its the seriousness of the accusation.

They'll scream from the rooftops, "Bush lied", and he "twisted" intelligence. If they win the House back in '06 (which I think they won't), watch out.


17 posted on 11/18/2005 7:08:47 AM PST by teddyballgame
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To: Paradox
"GWB is probably the most hated President since Lincoln."

You're reading the MSM way too much if you really believe that. Bush today, would beat ANY demonRAT in another vote for the presidency.

18 posted on 11/18/2005 7:11:10 AM PST by harpu
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To: teddyballgame

I just am amazed that this talk has filtered into regular journalism. Mort is about as fair as any Democrat in D.C., and for him to even postulate this scenario means that there is a real movement among the lefties to accomplish this.
Politics is ugly, and I fear Bush is just not up to a real fight. He has turned the other cheek so many times that he looks almost weak against this onslaught. Time to put up yer dukes, W.


19 posted on 11/18/2005 7:11:38 AM PST by Galtoid ( .)
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To: Piquaboy

I think Bush should do a Delay and go extremely radical(sort of like European prime ministers who demand confidence elections) and actually go before the congress and actually demand an impeachment hearing...right now this very instant! At the same time he should warn that all the books and papers and secret intelligence will come out for his use in his personal defence. All the secrets that all the congress men and senators will be open...all secret intelligence will be open for the public to take a gander at.

And yes Bush should do a mug shot where he smiles very broadly for the camera...!


20 posted on 11/18/2005 7:12:39 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: Paradox

and the best since Lincoln.


21 posted on 11/18/2005 7:12:54 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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To: teddyballgame
Um, Mr. Bush? It seems obvious to me that you are in the fight of your life, a fight for your political life. Your whole concept of a new tone and working with the Democrats was a really bad idea.

You need to learn that you've got to fight these b@st@rds tooth and nail. Otherwise, you're going to get stabbed in the back, and the whole country will lose because of it. You owe it to all of us (not just conservatives, but mushy moderates and liberals, too) to fight back, and fight back HARD. We all lose if you're impeached for nothing. All of us.

22 posted on 11/18/2005 7:13:49 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: philsfan24

Republicans in Congress have been disgusting, but I don't think they'd go so far as to vote to impeach the President.


23 posted on 11/18/2005 7:14:17 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Galtoid

If you remember, GHWB (41) was nervous about impeachment after the Gulf War. This is all about payback for Clintoon's impeachment. Rush predicted this back after GWB's election.


24 posted on 11/18/2005 7:14:25 AM PST by teddyballgame
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To: teddyballgame

First of all, this as well as the next Supreme Court vacancy is exactly why we need to stand behind the President and the GOP in both the House and Senate.

All of the petty bickering and fracturing on the Right is going to flush our hopes right down the toilet. If the GOP does not maintain and increase their majority in the Senate, then that 5th vote on the Supreme Court will never happen. If Democrats get even a simple majority in the House they will impeach the President, and any Republican president who follows, so long as they have the power to do so. That is what the Democrats have become.

Of course, Clinton proved that impeachment doesn't matter. Bush would not be removed by the Senate, no matter what happens. The Senate can't muster 66 votes for anything, much less something as controversial and divisive as impeachment.


25 posted on 11/18/2005 7:15:31 AM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: teddyballgame
If Mort is talking about this, we need to pay heed. He isn't prone to hysterical proclamations.

What we do next year will decide whether or not we finish the deal in Iraq and change the world.

If we do not win, or if House and Senate Republican's go soft and continue to try and curry favor with the Dems on any level, we may very well end up creating earthly hell in the ME. Which ironically, will be blamed on President Bush.

WE MUST WIN. All other disagreements aside. We are not playing patty cake here.
26 posted on 11/18/2005 7:16:01 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: teddyballgame
What hand?

The game is rigged when the MSM deals the cards. If they somehow manage impeachment hearings... convene another kangaroo court... the poker-table is 'gonna get kicked over.

27 posted on 11/18/2005 7:16:43 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: teddyballgame

28 posted on 11/18/2005 7:17:20 AM PST by doug from upland ("Susan Estrich...get off your kneepads" - Juanita Broaddrick)
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To: teddyballgame

Ah that stupid Bush outsmarted us Dims again. ;-(


29 posted on 11/18/2005 7:18:13 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Republicans in Congress have been disgusting, but I don't think they'd go so far as to vote to impeach the President.

After watching the antics of Charlie Bass and his gang of Soros-funded "moderates", I'm not so sure of that any more.

30 posted on 11/18/2005 7:18:23 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Hardastarboard

Blaming Bush for this at this point is unfair.

One guy, taking on his own party, the opposition party and the big jerks in the press all by himself is a virtually impossible task. He has made mistakes.

But to be honest, if you go back and read all the speeches he has given that are completely ignored by the press unless they are outrageous you will see that it is hard to yell over the din of the mob.

He needs our help, not our blame at this juncture. There will be time for that later.


31 posted on 11/18/2005 7:18:49 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: harpu
I was speaking in a qualitative sense. What I meant to say that his opponents hate him with every fiber of their being. Those who hate him, absolutely LOATHE him. I did not mean to say that people in general hated the guy, dont get me wrong. I think "more people" like GWB.

There are similar Clinton haters, certainly on FR, but I bet the visceral haterd of GWB goes much further in the Left than the hatred of Clinton did back in the day..

32 posted on 11/18/2005 7:21:26 AM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: teddyballgame
.......it's clear that Democrats are eagerly searching for "smoking guns" - positive proof that Bush deceived Congress and/or that Cheney helped leak the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame..

It is frustated blind hate portrayed by frustated blind out- of -power democrats...

33 posted on 11/18/2005 7:21:59 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: teddyballgame

For all the "Bush lied" rhetoric, I've to date seen absolutely NO PROOF of such. The White House and GOPers in the House and Senate had BETTER release document after document and video after video of FOREIGN leaders and the UN from BEFORE the Bush presidency that state a firm belief of Saddam having WMD. That this whole "Bush lied" garbage has gotten as far as it has is ridiculous beyond words and the White House should have nipped all this in the bud months ago.


34 posted on 11/18/2005 7:22:14 AM PST by katieanna
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To: pollyannaish

This is serious and it is hardball. That is why you see Cheney and Bush coming out swinging. I think the Alito fight and any nonsense about impeachment is just what we need.

Watch the Pflame case drop into oblivion as the story shifts to reporters being the source. If this trial balloon from Kerry and others goes anywhere it goes front and center with MSM. Remember this is what the kook fringe of the Left wants and this is who runs their Party. The idea of winning the House so they can impeach Bush - raises $$$ and turns out their base.


35 posted on 11/18/2005 7:22:29 AM PST by teddyballgame
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To: meandog

"3. If he were unfairly convicted, too many of us (and I am no Bush fan) personally would take up arms against the RATs in a new Civil War."

I'm sure there are a lot of people who would retreat from your line here and call it hyperbole, etc. I would argue, however, that if the Dems attempt this, it would be no different than an attempted coup: the overthrow of a legally elected President. And, that's not hyperbole.

My fear is that as they've already tried it once (2000) and no one rightfully labeled the attempt for what it was---the refusal of one an adminstration to step aside following a legal election---they will believe that they can try it again.


36 posted on 11/18/2005 7:22:32 AM PST by wolf24
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To: teddyballgame
Welcome to FR. Good post. The leadership of the Democrats is one mean-spirited and corrupt group.
Speaking dishonestly comes as easily to them as breathing! What could you expect when they welcome, and allow, a criminal such as Ted Kennedy to be a spokesman for them. I have no respect for him nor those who share his dishonest, deceitful, and despicable lifestyle. I would vote to impeach and imprison him in a heartbeat!
37 posted on 11/18/2005 7:23:04 AM PST by PeskyOne
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To: mdmathis6

I think this will happen anyway before the next elections. Some in 2006 and a lot more in 2008.


38 posted on 11/18/2005 7:23:22 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: teddyballgame

Able Danger


39 posted on 11/18/2005 7:23:51 AM PST by TBall
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To: teddyballgame
If Impeachment talk gains steam, this could backfire big time on the Democrats.

By all means, let's stir the pot. :) Welcome to FR.

40 posted on 11/18/2005 7:24:58 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: Apercu
Well said: " This has been the Party of Treason strategy since 2001. "

DEMOCRATS = TRAITORS - say it loud and clear.

41 posted on 11/18/2005 7:25:05 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: teddyballgame
If you remember, GHWB (41) was nervous about impeachment after the Gulf War.

No he wasn't. The only person, (and I mean the ONLY person) talking impeachment was crazy Henry B. Gonzales D-TX who was already suffering from advanced dementia.

42 posted on 11/18/2005 7:26:14 AM PST by sinkspur (Trust, but vilify.)
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To: teddyballgame

Don't go looking for something you're not going to be glad you found.


43 posted on 11/18/2005 7:27:34 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: Paradox

Quote: "GWB is probably the most hated President since Lincoln."

First off, then Bush is in excellent company. Secondly, Lincoln, as unpopular as he was, still won re-election and survived politically. Bottom line, no party has ever won a damn thing by being "anti-war" during a war (even when that war is unpopular).


44 posted on 11/18/2005 7:28:04 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: sinkspur

GHWB was nervous about impeachment, I've seen the interview where he stated so. That is why they had a vote in the Seante and that is why he spent so much time building such an overwhelming coalition.


45 posted on 11/18/2005 7:29:01 AM PST by teddyballgame
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To: teddyballgame

Bring it on, Dhimmies!!! We will be delighted to shove your insane lies and misinformation right back up your nose!!

And, after the dust settles, it will be the Dhimmies liking their wounds, NOT the 'Pubbies.


46 posted on 11/18/2005 7:29:54 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: teddyballgame

"The 2006 election is shaping up to be a bitterly fought referendum on President Bush - to the point where, if Democrats win, they just might impeach him."

It is quite clear we simply have a bunch of spoiled brats, looking for something to do. 100% of this kind of action is directly related to the events of the Clinton administration(do you think they've been humiliated?). Someone, has carefully orchestrated all the chaos our country has seen in recent months(Is that spoiled brat behavior, or what?). Could the lack of participation by eligible AMERICAN voters be the cause for this?--Evil flourishes when good men do nothing, and that is what has happened. Since our media has become quite spineless along with many political leaders, voting is all that's left. If most people still refuse to exercise their voting voice(for any lame excuse they choose to dig up), then our people will lose that right. And we're ALL to blame, if that happens.


47 posted on 11/18/2005 7:32:53 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Piquaboy

I think this hate of our President began during the campaign when each candidate running for the Republican nomination was asked who their favorite author was, some said Mark Twain, others named famous authors, Candidate Bush asnwered Jesus Christ. The MSM was flabergasted, the dems snickered behind their hands. The audacity of someone mentioning our Lord as a famous author and a favorite one was beyond their capacity. There the tunnel of hate was begun...


48 posted on 11/18/2005 7:33:33 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Piquaboy

Nixon was hated for decades before he became president, but not at this level.
One of the reasons GWB is so hated is because they lost the House in 94, and thought it was only a matter of time before they regained control. They think THEY belong in power, and can't deal with the thought that perhaps they don't.


49 posted on 11/18/2005 7:34:39 AM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: DustyMoment

You keep forgetting, Dims don't care if they are caught in a lie. History for them starts when they want it to and it doesn't matter about the facts IT IS ONLY ABOUT THE ACCUSATION! Say it loud enough and people begin to believe it.


50 posted on 11/18/2005 7:36:59 AM PST by teddyballgame
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