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Why Blacks Should Stay in Africa
The Week ^ | November 18 | Constant Sabang

Posted on 11/19/2005 7:50:05 AM PST by Imnotalib

Why blacks should stay in Africa.

by Constant Sabang in "Le Quotidien Mutations"

Africans dreaming of a better life shouldn’t look to America, said Constant Sabang in Yaounde’s Le Quotidien Mutations. Every year when the U.S. visa lottery comes around, thousands of Africans, among them many Cameroonians, apply for a chance to “become a nephew of Uncle Sam.” A few of them even win one of the coveted green cards allotted to African countries. But what do they find when they leave Cameroon? They have given up their national identity, not to mention their passports, to become second-class citizens. For black people, America is “not the land of opportunity.” Jobs, if they can be found, are of the most menial kind, and people with dark skin are still outsiders. Those images we saw on TV recently of inundated Louisiana and Mississippi present the true picture of America, not the glossy “Hollywood superproductions or promotional videos” that capture our imaginations. The footage of black people crying on the roofs of their shacks might as well have come from Niger or Sudan. For all its great wealth and power, the U.S. is at bottom a Darwinian society. It is “a jungle, where the strong feed off the weak.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: africa; african; blacks; cameroon; constantsabang; cz; greencards; quotidienmutations; visa
With a labor shortage in many parts of the country, I'd say any black that can get to the US with a reasonable ability to speak English and a marketable job skill would do just fine. I know our business would hire skilled machinists right now no matter where they're from.

The real reason these people become second-class citizens is that most of them have nothing to offer. It's ot ther fault, and it's not because they're black. A white man from Bosnia with no skills and the average educatoin of a black man from Cameroon wouldn't do well either.

1 posted on 11/19/2005 7:50:06 AM PST by Imnotalib
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To: Imnotalib
the U.S. is at bottom a Darwinian society.

All societies are Darwinian. It is the nature of man. Working for the 'common good' in Cuba, Venezuela, etc. is nothing more than a means for one group to stay in power at the expense of others.

Making this a race issue, like the author of the article, is ludicrous. No opportunities for blacks in the U.S.? Hmmmm. Guess Jamie Foxx, Oprah Winfrey, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Vernon Jordan, Shaq et al. must be Oreos. /sarc

2 posted on 11/19/2005 7:54:03 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Imnotalib

Black immigrants are not struggling in America - it is only the native born blacks. Liberals have been mocking conservatives for decades about the conservative claim that welfare leads to dependency and broken families, but the relative success of black immigrants is a powerful testimonial otherwise.


3 posted on 11/19/2005 7:54:18 AM PST by Jibaholic (The facts of life are conservative - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Imnotalib

I agree with all you say. The world is a marketplace and you barter with what you have. However, 2nd class here is better than first class in many parts of the world.


4 posted on 11/19/2005 7:54:23 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Second Class in the US is still better than first class in that sh*thole.


5 posted on 11/19/2005 7:56:57 AM PST by stm
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To: Jibaholic

Regardless of where they come from, the issue is one of how they 'arrive.' If someone, from anywhere, comes to the US thinking that once they cross the border (legally) all their problems will be solved and everything will fall into place, then they will fail. If they come with the thought that their success is dependent on them, then they will most likely find great success.


6 posted on 11/19/2005 8:00:30 AM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks
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To: Imnotalib

Wah Wah Wah, Boo Hoo Boo Hoo, Poor Misstreated Blacks.

"A white man from Bosnia with no skills and the average educatoin of a black man from Cameroon wouldn't do well either." This is a Fact.


7 posted on 11/19/2005 8:02:46 AM PST by MisouriMule (We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.)
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To: stm
Second Class in the US is still better than first class in that sh*thole.

No way, I bet if the whole 9th Ward in NO or even parts of Detroit went to Africa, they would be welcomed with open arms, and would do much better than here being oppressed by the white man. I say start packing, its time for a boat ride.

8 posted on 11/19/2005 8:06:26 AM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Mrs Mark

This reflects a French colonial point of view.


9 posted on 11/19/2005 8:10:43 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: MisouriMule
Das da fact, Jack!!!


10 posted on 11/19/2005 8:11:10 AM PST by stm
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To: Jibaholic
Black immigrants are not struggling in America - it is only the native born blacks

It's true. There is enormous resentment for Caribbean and African blacks who come to America and kick ass economically through--ta-da!-HARD WORK. What a concept.

11 posted on 11/19/2005 8:14:23 AM PST by montag813
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To: Mrs Mark

Just call me. I'll help them pack.


12 posted on 11/19/2005 8:29:29 AM PST by 308MBR (If we ain't supposed to eat animals, how come they're made out of meat?)
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To: Imnotalib
They have given up their national identity, not to mention their passports, to become second-class citizens. For black people, America is “not the land of opportunity.” Jobs, if they can be found, are of the most menial kind,

Yeah, they're not nearly as good as the jobs the Cameroonians had back in the Old Country: lion bait, spear catcher, fly agar ... Do I hear someone boo-hooing because a group of immigrants just off the boat aren't made CEOs of America's top corporations? Now THERE'S a realistic expectation! And by the way, who ever promised anyone that America was the express route to Paradise anyway? It's a land of OPPORTUNITY, not GUARANTEES.

Those images we saw on TV recently of inundated Louisiana and Mississippi present the true picture of America

The true picture of America after the worst hurricane in half a century! How much better would Cameroon fare if it got walloped by Katrina? Spare me the false equivalency.

13 posted on 11/19/2005 8:32:23 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Imnotalib
This author is either misinformed or an idiot (or both).

Immigrant blacks from Africa were not the ones he saw in Louisiana. Those were native born blacks -- ones who have been brainwashed into a life of dependency by the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, the liberal Democrats, et. al.

Immigrant blacks from the Carribean, Africa, and other parts of the world, for the most part, do fine here in America.

14 posted on 11/19/2005 8:38:05 AM PST by PallMal
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To: Jibaholic
As one who works extensively with African immigrants, I can tell you that this article is total rubbish.

The folks I know from Ghana, Mali, & other African countries are immensely hard working & appreciative of this country.

They are great achievers & they love this country & the opportunity it has given them.

Disregard the idiocy written in this article.
15 posted on 11/19/2005 8:42:33 AM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: Imnotalib

yet another puff piece of liberal propaganda. The fact is that most recent African immigrants end up doing better than so-called native blacks now and better than most native whites in the second generation


16 posted on 11/19/2005 8:42:36 AM PST by Nat Turner (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME)
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To: Imnotalib

Some intersting stats about Cameroon:

Population (millions) 15.5
Literacy rate 73.5
Gross national income per capita 560
TVs per 1000 people 34
Radios per 1000 people 163
Telephone mainlines per 1000 people 7
Mobile phones per 1000 people 20
Personal computers per 1000 people 3.9
Internet users (thousands) 45

I don’t know who this Constant Sabang babe is, but my guess is she is a real U.S. hater.

I never did believed in the lottery system as a way to arrive to our shores. My question is, can anybody apply or does the person applying need to have a marketable skill? When this started, I was too disgusted to give it any attention. Now I regret it.

Thank you.


17 posted on 11/19/2005 9:02:37 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Motherbear

BUMP!


19 posted on 11/19/2005 9:33:39 AM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: Mrs Mark
I say start packing, its time for a boat ride.

Stop dissing those folks. If they can't fly, first class for sure, they ain't going.

20 posted on 11/19/2005 9:34:03 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Imnotalib
A white man from Bosnia with no skills and the average educatoin of a black man from Cameroon wouldn't do well either.

Maybe, maybe not. My sister works in the hospitality industry. They hire huge numbers of recent immigrants. She says it is quite common for a Bosnian or Croatian to come here not knowing a word of English and without two nickels to rub together, and in two or three years he is a manager, speaking good English. They often leave to start their own businesses, or go to college and become executives or professionals.

On the other hand, immigrants from more tropical climes will work until the end of their days at the same job, sometimes turning down promotions if they require learning English or working longer hours.

This is not because the white immigrants are favored by racism, either. Quite to the contrary. The company goes to excruciating pains to figure out how many non-whites they need to promote, whether qualified or not, to satisfy the Federal quota mongers. Moreover, she sees the same pattern of maniacal ambition and self-improvement amongst some non-white immigrant groups, like the Vietnamese and Chinese.

The professors and pundits can argue about whether it is cultural or genetic, but there is no question that immigrants from some countries do way better than those from other countries.

21 posted on 11/19/2005 9:53:10 AM PST by ccmay (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: Imnotalib

What a bunch of crap...I know some Cameroonians very well. They came here 7 years ago....worked very hard, and have since bought their dream home. It took them two years to save enough for furniture. Unlike in their own country, here Americans are rewarded for putting in long hours and hard work...The USA has proven to be their dream come true.


22 posted on 11/19/2005 10:27:44 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: ccmay
Interesting. I work with an immigrant from Cameroon. He is a very hard worker while on shift, but is one of the first people to log off as soon as the shift is over.
23 posted on 11/19/2005 10:38:29 AM PST by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ccmay
Moreover, she sees the same pattern of maniacal ambition and self-improvement amongst some non-white immigrant groups, like the Vietnamese and Chinese.

I can concur with this. I am a former casino dealer in Atlantic City (still living in the area), and many of my former co-workers (and current neighbors) are from places like Vietnam, China, India, Cuba and other "workers' paradises". The work ethic displayed by first generation Americans from these countries is incredible. Many of them would take second jobs, and work 70-80 hours a week, while living very humble lifestyles so they could save up enough money to purchase rental properties or to invest in other businesses (dollar stores, motels, grocery stores, gas stations, etc.). Two of my former co-workers (one Vietnamese, and one Cuban) who purchased several modest rental properties throughout the mid to late 90's are now worth over $1 million. They still work as casino employees for the company medical benefits, but they are living the American dream. My Cuban friend, who came here in the early 90's, explained that the drive to own property in the U.S. came from the fact that he couldn't own anything in Cuba, no matter how hard he worked. My Vietnamese friend (who still has a heavy accent) used to ask me: "How can people be poor in the U.S. when you can speak English?" I didn't know how to answer him. He came here with nothing, had poor English skills, and worked menial jobs (dishwasher, bus boy) until he was able to get a casino license, lived in a rented room (No TV), and saved his money so he could purchase one property a year. No new car, no big screen TV. He purchased some modestly priced rental properties in Atlantic City and in the surrounding area that needed some work, and now he is sitting on a "mini-empire" of real estate. What is interesting is the fact that some native born Americans will direct some bitterness towards these people, thinking that they were somehow "given" these opportunities, or that they were obtained at the expense of someone else. When people say that the U.S. isn't so great, I ask them to follow the migration. I don't see too many people leaving the U.S. to live in Africa, Europe, or the mid east, and I certainly don't see many people in Miami risking their lives, swimming through shark filled waters for an "opporunity" to live in the communist "woker's paradise" of Cuba. God Bless America.

24 posted on 11/19/2005 10:59:23 AM PST by American Infidel (A communist reads marx and lenin. An anti-communist understands marx and lenin - Reagan)
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To: Imnotalib
Virtually every recent African immigrant I have met has been articulate, educated and motivated and I believe they will do quite well here. That is until their offspring become Americanized and join the Democrat Plantation.
25 posted on 11/19/2005 11:11:23 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Imnotalib
Those images we saw on TV recently of inundated Louisiana and Mississippi present the true picture of America, not the glossy “Hollywood superproductions or promotional videos” that capture our imaginations.

Not even an African, grasping for the worst hyperbole, can be that dense.

How does he explain rap stars and basketball players?

I do agree with him that the blacks depicted by hollywood tend to become cartoonish (A movie with 12 main characters have 6 of them be the director, the doctor, the physicist, the pilot, which devolves into comedy when a black actress lab technician uses a microscope lie a fiddle...

On the other hand, New Orleans ain't it either.

26 posted on 11/19/2005 11:44:44 AM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: Nat Turner
yet another puff piece of liberal propaganda. The fact is that most recent African immigrants end up doing better than so-called native blacks now and better than most native whites in the second generation

Can we do something about that "liberal" word? Please?

I realized that it still carries a smidgen of respectability while it deserves none.

"Liberal" and "Progressives" is never a word I now use. I call them CTGS, pronounced "Cuh-Tigs", which stands for "Cradle To Grave Socialists"...

Just listen to the House debates on reducing the deficit... The CTGSs heads are about to explode...

27 posted on 11/19/2005 12:00:19 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: Imnotalib

Actually this article serves a useful purpose. If it disuades the useless, the lazy, the ignorant, who lie around and catch fruit falling from trees and do little else, from believing that in America it's the same, only instead of fruit it's Plasma big-screens, Mercedeces and bling-bling...


28 posted on 11/19/2005 12:08:16 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: ccmay

I will bet money that the people you're talking about are better educated than the average African immigrant, but maybe I should have said, "A white man from Bosnia with no skills and the average education" and without the willingness to do something about either ...

Where do you live that Bosnians and Croatians are working in large numbers in hospitals? Im my area (WV) we're deluged with foreign doctors, mostly Muslims from Arab nations. Mexicans haven't made it this far north in large numbers, and Russians haven't made it this far south from NJ.


29 posted on 11/19/2005 12:10:08 PM PST by Imnotalib
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To: Imnotalib

What great points! Blacks in africa are doing so much better than blacks in the states! (Sarcasm) Hah! What PC BS. The average inner city poor black is much better off than the average well off African and worlds better off than a poor african.


30 posted on 11/19/2005 12:11:56 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: mhking

pinging the king


31 posted on 11/19/2005 12:19:59 PM PST by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: PallMal

The writer is French, which includes a lot of those other adjectives. It is easier to say "French" then to have to string together "stupid," "arrogant," "unwashed," etc.


32 posted on 11/19/2005 1:13:08 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: author

The whole article sounds racist to me.


33 posted on 11/19/2005 1:22:36 PM PST by Merta
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To: Imnotalib
Where do you live that Bosnians and Croatians are working in large numbers in hospitals?

I said "hospitality", not "hospitals. " i.e., hotels and restaurants. These people are starting work as groundskeepers and dish washers, not doctors.

-ccm

34 posted on 11/19/2005 1:41:10 PM PST by ccmay (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: Imnotalib

An attempt to stop a brain drain from an African country...


35 posted on 11/19/2005 1:44:44 PM PST by durasell
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To: ccmay

Whoops, should have put my glasses on....


36 posted on 11/19/2005 2:10:02 PM PST by Imnotalib
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To: Publius6961
ok how about Amoral, athetistic silly socialists


A-ASS

37 posted on 11/19/2005 2:25:56 PM PST by Nat Turner (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME)
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To: Imnotalib

Even a second class citizen is better off in America than Cameroon.


38 posted on 11/26/2005 12:05:11 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I never did believed in the lottery system as a way to arrive to our shores. My question is, can anybody apply or does the person applying need to have a marketable skill? When this started, I was too disgusted to give it any attention. Now I regret it.

I met Welsh immigrants in San Diego who waited upwards of 9 years for an immigration lottery opportunity to emigrate to the U. S. They had to have sponsors and find satisfactory employment. All of them are now citizens, but it was a far cry from the BS that happens daily on the Mexican border. I suspect the African immigrants playing by the rules are experiencing a similar delay.

39 posted on 11/26/2005 12:20:31 AM PST by Myrddin
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