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Murtha believes US forces are an "occupation."
Washington Times ^ | 11/19/05 | Steven Dinan

Posted on 11/19/2005 5:50:38 PM PST by Luke21

For his part, Mr. Murtha, a decorated, retired Marine Corps colonel, said his goal was to let Iraqis know they must step forward and take control. "All of Iraq must know Iraq is free -- free from United States occupation."

(Excerpt) Read more at insider.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; murtha; sowhat
We were all over Murtha's comments about whether he was speaking about our troops or the Iraqui's in his "troops are the enemy" statement.

According to the Washington Times, he also believes the US forces are an occupying force. This guy is a hack and a loon on all fronts. I am so pleased to see the GOP standing up to the media fabricated image of this nutball and discrediting him immediately.

1 posted on 11/19/2005 5:50:40 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Luke21

2 posted on 11/19/2005 5:53:17 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Luke21

Does anyone else think this name sounds like a 1970's Japanese monster movie character?


3 posted on 11/19/2005 5:54:59 PM PST by riri
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To: Luke21
Nope, no agenda here.
4 posted on 11/19/2005 5:55:14 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Luke21

Isn't that the reason the insurgents still have sympathy from many in the Arab states? Because the insurgents believe we are an "occupying" force? Murtha's rhetoric is what is keeping this war going longer than it could be. Murtha's a liar and a traitor.


5 posted on 11/19/2005 5:55:17 PM PST by manwiththehands
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To: Luke21

Of course they are an occupation force. And the minute they leave, there will be an Al Qaeda/Sunni occupation force.


6 posted on 11/19/2005 5:58:36 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Luke21

Who cares what he thinks - the House has spoken 403-3!


7 posted on 11/19/2005 5:59:05 PM PST by YummiBox
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To: Luke21
Those who claim we "occupy Iraq" also see the enemy who are now killing other Iraqis wholesale as simply the "resistance" and that they are not committing terrorist acts, just "acts of desperation".

Despite his prior service, it is hard to give Murtha any respect because his views are so extreme.

8 posted on 11/19/2005 5:59:11 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: Luke21

Murtha can do his nation an even greater service by not running for reelection.


9 posted on 11/19/2005 6:01:32 PM PST by NapkinUser ("Our troops have become the enemy." -Representative John P. Murtha, modern day Benedict Arnold.)
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To: Luke21

Sheehan and Galloway have destroyed his brain. He may make a good impression with the press, but I bet you he likes to howl at the moon and carry on conversations with a 10 foot invisible rabbit when he thinks no one else is looking.


10 posted on 11/19/2005 6:11:17 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Doctor Raoul
Despite his prior service, it is hard to give Murtha any respect because his views are so extreme.

It makes me very sad to read/hear what he says about our troops, especially when he hangs his hat on being a Vietnam vet. But I also have to remember Kerry is a vietnam vet with 3 purple hearts.

11 posted on 11/19/2005 6:15:09 PM PST by eyespysomething (This ashtray, the paddlegame, the remote control, the lamp and the chair. That's all I need!)
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To: Luke21

I heard him cite an Iraqi poll.

83.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.


12 posted on 11/19/2005 6:20:19 PM PST by Jemian (Message to Murtha: ONLY COWARDS CUT AND RUN.)
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To: Luke21
[CITE: 18USC2381]

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 115--TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES

Sec. 2381. Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103-322, title XXXIII, Sec. 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

13 posted on 11/19/2005 6:22:31 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("To the terrorists, the media is a vital force multiplier" Brig. Gen. Donald Alston (USAF) 10/31/05)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Despite his prior service, it is hard to give Murtha any respect because his views are so extreme.

Why didn't he vote for the measure?

"My plan calls:

To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.

14 posted on 11/19/2005 6:22:47 PM PST by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: Luke21

Are the Iraqi and Jordanian women and children part of the US Military now? Seems like that's who is the target these days.

And can someone tell me exactly what is going "worse" over there? The Dems tell us it is all falling apart at a rapid pace, but they offer no examples except a body count that is miniscule in in comparison with the history of warfare.


15 posted on 11/19/2005 6:23:22 PM PST by digger48
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To: riri

YES! Mothra.


16 posted on 11/19/2005 6:25:24 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: eyespysomething

But I also have to remember Kerry is a vietnam vet with 3 purple hearts

All of which he wrote himself up for and none of which he earned.

Where is the Form 180 you promised us Kerry you POS?


17 posted on 11/19/2005 6:25:50 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

Just what is Murtha's pedigree? I'd like to see an accurate listing of his duty in the military.


18 posted on 11/19/2005 6:29:15 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: Luke21
I think Murtha's just another cog in the Democrat machine.

The years have shown that no Democrat does anything that hasn't been scripted and storyboarded as a part of a larger strategy from the central committee.

-PJ

19 posted on 11/19/2005 6:31:14 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Did Murtha actually need more than a band-aid or an ice pack for his Purple Hearts?


20 posted on 11/19/2005 6:31:55 PM PST by digger48
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To: Luke21
An occupation!? Hardly.

It's not a job. It's an adventure.

Didn't you know that Mr. Murtha?

21 posted on 11/19/2005 6:34:08 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("If the Marine Corps wanted you to have a wife, they'd have issued you one." - - Chesty Puller)
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To: Luke21
Murtha believes US forces are an "occupation."

I am reminded of a German colleague's remarks a couple of weeks ago. After WWII ended, he said, it was a kind of occupation of Germany for five years, but then we became friends.

22 posted on 11/19/2005 6:34:36 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: digger48

Why doesn't anybody ever mention that we could be ou of there if these people would shut up and start pulling in the right direction? And that it's not that people MAY die from their comments, but that they're killing people every day with their poisonous, hateful words.


23 posted on 11/19/2005 6:36:21 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (All Your Base Are belong To Us. Make Your Time.)
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To: sgtbono2002
"Where is the Form 180 you promised us Kerry you POS?"

Didn't you hear? From the "truth is stranger than fiction" dept. He said a few months ago that he DID sign the 180. But he just hasn't sent it back in yet.

I guess actually sending it back in wasn't part of the deal that Crissy Mathews talked him into.

24 posted on 11/19/2005 6:39:51 PM PST by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: YummiBox

yes but the MSM is not reporting the vote, just ripping Admin and the Pubbis for doing this


25 posted on 11/19/2005 6:46:34 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Political Junkie Too
as a part of a larger strategy from the central committee.

Or Commissariat, if you please.

Murtha might aspire to the position of Commissar of Peaceable Surrender.

My estimate of Murtha is that he has been weighed in the balance and found wanting, Nam service or no Nam service.

26 posted on 11/19/2005 6:52:33 PM PST by Ole Okie (Only Democrats and Cowards Cut and Run. And they may be one and the same.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

"Just what is Murtha's pedigree? I'd like to see an accurate listing of his duty in the military."
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The word I've heard is that he was a dirt Marine sergeant in 'Nam, got a commission in the Reserves and retired at O-6.

Enlisted types don't usually write themselves up for medals, and that goes double for the Corps. If he got Purple Hearts as a Marine, he damn well earned them.

All that being said, I know at least one retired Gunny who would like to stake Murtha out over an anthill for a week or so while he thought up something REALLY unpleasant to do.



27 posted on 11/19/2005 6:55:19 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet
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To: Luke21

Love it when a lefty whines about the "occupation" of Iraq. "The occupation ended a year ago Summer" you reply. Inevitably the lefty says something like, "says who?". "Well, the UNITED NATIONS and the ARAB LEAGUE for instance," you reply.


28 posted on 11/19/2005 6:56:57 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: martin_fierro
Amazing. Even back then (the immediate postwar period) the leftist journalists and academia types tended to side with America's enemies. At least then they had the courtesy of subtly admitting what they were doing: "I'm not sticking up for the Germans, but..."
29 posted on 11/19/2005 6:57:56 PM PST by notfornothing
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To: digger48

US troops may be the target but unarmed and exposed civilians are much easier to kill.


30 posted on 11/19/2005 6:59:00 PM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: digger48

To be honest I dont know Murtha's military record.


31 posted on 11/19/2005 7:00:21 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
If he served honorably, then he is to be commended. For that.

But it's not a free pass to say or do anything for the rest of one's life.

32 posted on 11/19/2005 7:01:36 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: notfornothing

"Amazing. Even back then (the immediate postwar period) the leftist journalists and academia types tended to side with America's enemies. At least then they had the courtesy of subtly admitting what they were doing: "I'm not sticking up for the Germans, but..."..."



Every time someone mentions the media and the military in our country since Viet Nam, I have two observations:

Someday, someone is going to finally figure out if we took more casualties in Viet Nam because of the actions of our own news media than those of the NVA, Viet Cong, Russia and the ChiComs combined.

In that same vein, has anyone ever thought about the extravagant measures taken to isolate the media from military units during the First GW? Just consider that most of the upper level enlisted types had first enlisted in the late 60’s or early 70’s, combine that with my bad attitude (you can figure out if it’s typical or not), add a bunch of live rounds and estimate the life expectancy of a reporter in milliseconds for me.


33 posted on 11/19/2005 7:21:59 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet
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To: Luke21

No where is it written that a former Marine can't go totally insane.


34 posted on 11/19/2005 7:23:57 PM PST by john_baldacci_is_a_commie
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To: Luke21
100,000 troops in a country of 25 million is an occupying force?

How many do we still have in Kosovo?

35 posted on 11/19/2005 7:56:17 PM PST by Dems_R_Losers (The Kerry/Lehane/Wilson/Grunwald/Cooper plot to destroy Karl Rove has failed!)
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To: Sam Cree

How can we be an occupying force if we are asked to stay by a freely elected representative government?


36 posted on 11/19/2005 8:04:48 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: manwiththehands
Murtha's a liar and a traitor.

Murtha and George Galloway -- joined at the hip.

37 posted on 11/19/2005 8:37:04 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (A "democratic socialist" is just a communist who happens to be outgunned!)
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To: john_baldacci_is_a_commie
"No where is it written that a former Marine can't go totally insane."

True enough....

Also not written, is the number that retreated into the blackest corners of their minds, because America believed Kerry/Fonda/Media, and believed their sacrifice and their lost brothers were "wasted blood" -- since the world now regarded them as baby killers, rapists and a nation ravaging hord in the mold of Genghis Khan....

There are men alive today, STILL gravely wounded in their minds and hearts as a DIRECT RESULT of Kerry's treachery and traitorous behavior...
More than most folks could possibly imagine......

THEIR very real and permanent wounds were never recognized or written up for a PH....and they were far more real and devastating than the phony "wounds" that Kerry wrote himself up to receive 3 PHs and thus "earn" his way out of Vietnam in 4 months -- opposed to the normal 13 month tour for the Corps..

Semper Fi

38 posted on 11/19/2005 11:52:25 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

True, we are not occupying Iraq in order to hold it as a possession. Just to maintain order until their government is secure.


39 posted on 11/20/2005 3:23:04 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality [Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. Albert Einstein])
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