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To: wagglebee
Having had a lot more contact with gays than I suspect the average person here has, I've come around to the idea that homosexuality is a genetic propensity rather than an environmental one. I suspect that the "success stories" of Reparative Therapy were either not all that gay, or decided that they'd rather climb back into the closet than deal with the stress of family/social ostracism.

Flame away.

11 posted on 11/19/2005 7:58:02 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber

Why do you agree with the reports of one group (gays) over the reports of another group (ex-gays)? There is no objective proof one way or another, just personal bias in choosing one over another.


16 posted on 11/19/2005 8:26:18 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Zeroisanumber

This isn't a flame. Just pointing out that many therapists and counselors, over many years, have helped thousands of homosexuals leave the "gay" life. A lot more experience, time, sheer numbers and knowledge than your opinion based on anecdotal homosexuals you have personally known.


17 posted on 11/19/2005 8:28:17 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Zeroisanumber

Recent research into brain recovery from trauma like stroke points to the brain's ability to grow larger in areas that receive a lot of cognitive attention; therefore, the brain of a violinist at death will be structured differently from the brain of an administrator, etc. Much of what may appear to you to be the result of genetics may actually be the result of repeated thoughts and behaviors.


18 posted on 11/19/2005 8:28:41 PM PST by Albion Wilde (America will not run, and we will not forget our responsibilities. George W. Bush)
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To: Zeroisanumber


The mind is like your hard drive.

If a program is faulty and a few dll`s are corrupt,

they can be repaired.


33 posted on 11/19/2005 9:31:08 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Zeroisanumber
Yes, zero is a number. It reflects the existing evidence for a gay gene. And no, this is not a flame.

If somebody isn't sure where they stand on this issue, they may find this of interest: Dr. Robert Spitzer Interviewed In 'Christianity Today' Magazine. Read that very carefully. Take special note of who Dr. Spitzer is, what he used to think and what he thinks and says now.

Now couple the above with the very important results of the Twins Studies, a summary of what science has stated and the extremely important growing number of ex-gays. After reading the above links you should have a better understanding of the issues.

As you can see below, there are many more articles on the subject.


37 posted on 11/19/2005 9:48:00 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Zeroisanumber
Here is something else you can checkout:

I Do Exist
People Can Change

A list of 42 testimonials of ex-gays.

38 posted on 11/19/2005 9:51:26 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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