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Boy, 12, facing murder charge
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | November 19, 2005 | Stefano Esposito

Posted on 11/19/2005 11:40:15 PM PST by Graybeard58

A 12-year-old boy was charged with first-degree murder Friday after he allegedly pulled out a handgun and shot a man four times during a street dice game in the pre-dawn hours on Chicago's Far South Side last Sunday.

The boy -- one of the youngest in recent memory to be charged with murder in Cook County -- continued firing even after the 26-year-old victim fell to the ground, a law enforcement source told the Chicago Sun-Times.

Deon McGary of Hazel Crest was shot in each shoulder, his right bicep and groin, another source said.

The boy allegedly opened fire soon after McGary and the boy's cousin exchanged words and then tussled, sources said, but it wasn't clear what provoked the original argument.

The boy, a student at Avalon Park Elementary School, was charged days after he and his parents showed up at the Calumet Area police station on the Far South Side.

'He's scared, upset'

"I guess he's reacting like any 12-year-old child would act -- he's scared, upset, confused," said the boy's attorney, Steven Fine, who refused to discuss details of the case with a reporter.

The boy was being held in the Cook County juvenile detention center over the weekend, said John Gorman, a spokesman for the Cook County state's attorney's office. He is expected to appear in court Monday, Gorman said. A judge will decide whether the boy should remain in custody or be released to a parent or guardian. The Chicago Sun-Times is not naming the 12-year-old because he is a juvenile.

The boy was apparently watching the dice game on the street in the 10400 block of South Maryland shortly after midnight Saturday when the fight broke out. Some witnesses told investigators the boy had come with his teenage cousin, who was playing dice with three or four others. McGary also was watching the game, sources said.

After the fight, the boy and his cousin fled together. Michael Holzman, an attorney for the cousin, said he received a phone call from his client's parents Sunday night. The parents said police had called and wanted to talk to the 12-year-old and his cousin, Holzman said. Accompanied by their parents, the boy and his cousin turned themselves in earlier this week. The cousin was questioned and later released, Holzman said.

Could be held until 21 years old

Under state law, a 12-year-old cannot be charged as an adult. Prosecutors can seek to have a 13-year-old charged with murder tried as an adult. But only those 15 years old and above are automatically tried as adults in murder cases in Illinois.

Kathy Bankhead, who is chief of the Cook County state's attorney's Juvenile Justice Bureau, said Friday she couldn't recall a recent case in which a 12-year-old has been charged with murder in the county.

"For a kid 12, 13, even 14, to be the main (shooter) is rare," she said. If convicted of the murder charge, the 12-year-old could be held in a treatment facility until his 21st birthday, Bankhead said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Illinois
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1 posted on 11/19/2005 11:40:15 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

Fry 'im.

-Dan

2 posted on 11/19/2005 11:41:56 PM PST by Flux Capacitor (Trust me. I know what I'm doing.)
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To: Graybeard58

Buy, but, but handguns are illegal in Chicago! How can this be? /sarc


3 posted on 11/19/2005 11:42:48 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Graybeard58

hey, he's not old enough to buy a gun so how could this even happen


4 posted on 11/19/2005 11:43:48 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Graybeard58
"I guess he's reacting like any 12-year-old child would act -- he's scared, upset, confused,"

Didn't have a problem acting like an adult while shooting the guy. What's he doing packen in the first place if he wasn't acting like an adult? I have no sympathy for him. I'll leave that for his relatives who I am sure will only have kind words about what a good boy he is.

5 posted on 11/19/2005 11:44:30 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

Wonder if the 12 year old is taking the heat for the crime instead of his older cousin?


6 posted on 11/19/2005 11:44:37 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan, now in Ok.)
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To: Graybeard58

Out in 9 years. No problem.


7 posted on 11/20/2005 12:00:32 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Out in 9 years. No problem.

The trial will probably take that long.

8 posted on 11/20/2005 12:03:55 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (______________________________ Now that's a tagline!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Unless he's treated like the youngster who killed the 6 year old girl by body slamming her until she died. Civil rights groups whined until he was turned loose and he's been in trouble with the law ever since. They can send the kid to "treatment" until he's 21, but his parents ought to be in jail forever!


9 posted on 11/20/2005 12:10:10 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Jeff Chandler; Fierce Allegiance; singfreedom

I remember a news years ago there were two 10 year old boys from Britain who murdered a toddler. They got jail terms to the time they were of age (21). Rumours were that both had their identity completely changed when released and at one point the British government considered forcing them immigrate to one of the "old" Commonwealth countries (Canada, Australia, New Zealand). Of course each of these countries rejected the plan.

Had these two young men made it to Canada, I promise there would be two new criminal elements in America soon afterwards. I wonder what this 12 year-old will fare?


10 posted on 11/20/2005 12:15:27 AM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: Graybeard58

In that neighborhood shootings over street crap games happen all of the time. Sometimes several times in one night.


11 posted on 11/20/2005 12:24:24 AM PST by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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To: Iris7

Is that anywhere near the socialist mecca of Cabrini Greens?


12 posted on 11/20/2005 12:59:17 AM PST by willyd (No nation has ever taxed its citizens into prosperity)
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To: Iris7

Leroy Brown Town.


13 posted on 11/20/2005 1:00:01 AM PST by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: willyd

Actually no. Cabrini is an island slum in the (richer) NW side.


14 posted on 11/20/2005 1:04:41 AM PST by endthematrix (Those who despise freedom and progress have condemned themselves to isolation, decline, and collapse)
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To: Graybeard58
The boy was apparently watching the dice game on the street in the 10400 block of South Maryland shortly after midnight

Yet according to the story, this killer has "parents". Huh.

15 posted on 11/20/2005 1:10:39 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Graybeard58

I suspect that the dead guy, Deon McGary, has relatives.
This 12-year-old is likely not going to survive very long once he is released from the "protective custody" of jail (or juvenile detention, whatever).


16 posted on 11/20/2005 1:15:14 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Graybeard58

News ? This is a requirement for Detroit grade school.


17 posted on 11/20/2005 1:18:57 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Graybeard58
Why is ANY 12 year old on the streets past 8:00 p.m.?
The parents are lousy to let their child out with hoodlums at this hour. They to should be arrested for child abuse.
18 posted on 11/20/2005 1:22:21 AM PST by Exton1
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To: Graybeard58
The boy, a student at Avalon Park Elementary School...

A 12-year old in elementary school? Could be part of the problem here.

19 posted on 11/20/2005 1:26:21 AM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Jeff Chandler

Probably out after 4 years of "self-esteem" councelling. By then he will have so much "self-seteem" that he will feel entitled to kill people right and left.


20 posted on 11/20/2005 2:18:07 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Graybeard58

Where I live it's generally considered in bad taste to continue firing after they fall to the ground.


21 posted on 11/20/2005 2:21:23 AM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: taxesareforever
What was the little darling doing out in the pre dawn hours guess his parents were out partying.
22 posted on 11/20/2005 2:50:40 AM PST by bikerman
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To: bikerman
Parents? What makes you think there's a father in the home. The mother was probably home with her boyfriend and wanted the kid out of the house.
23 posted on 11/20/2005 3:29:25 AM PST by RLM
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To: Sally'sConcerns

"Wonder if the 12 year old is taking the heat for the crime instead of his older cousin?"

That is what I was thinking.


24 posted on 11/20/2005 4:22:22 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Graybeard58
'He's scared, upset'

Poor little boy.

Execute him...quickly!

25 posted on 11/20/2005 4:39:09 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: Graybeard58

Celebrate diversity!


27 posted on 11/20/2005 5:24:28 AM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Graybeard58
A judge will decide whether the boy should remain in custody or be released to a parent or guardian

Could be held until 21 years old

This is all so dam absurd.

28 posted on 11/20/2005 5:25:54 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Two Sides Same Coin

You are right, it certainly seems more likely that an actual player in the game would be the shooter, and of course it is most likely NOT the 12 y.o. who did the killing. The cops need to round up the rest of the crap-shooters here for sure to find out what really happened. But why are this kid's parent(s) letting him confess? Maybe I'm foolish to ask that, the whole family may be a bunch of criminals and they figure this kid will do soft-time in Juvie detention and the cousin will be off the hook.


29 posted on 11/20/2005 5:26:13 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Fruitbat

Twelve years old would put him in 6th grade, that is elementary school.


30 posted on 11/20/2005 5:26:30 AM PST by ShadowDancer (I think I may have the Asian Bird Fru. I mean Flu. (Damn, it's starting already))
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To: Texas_Jarhead

"hey, he's not old enough to buy a gun so how could this even happen"

Heck, he's not even old enough to be out "in the pre-dawn hours" but that didn't seem to be a problem.


31 posted on 11/20/2005 5:29:20 AM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Graybeard58
"I guess he's reacting like any 12-year-old child would act -- he's scared, upset, confused," said the boy's attorney, Steven Fine, who refused to discuss details of the case with a reporter.

So - pulling out a gun and repeatedly shooting someone is "reacting like any 12-year-old?"

I guess we know where the kid gets it from. I wonder if a "parent" is the one who put him up to it in the first place? Just wait until Jessie Jackass decides this is racial persecution and gets the boy tried as a juvenile -

34 posted on 11/20/2005 6:00:07 AM PST by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: Exton1

Damn, I must be a horrible parent. My son is 13 and my daughter will be 12 in Jan, and I let them stay out until 9pm. No one that age had to be in at 8, even in my day.


35 posted on 11/20/2005 6:03:54 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Fruitbat

Sounds normal to me. Since my birthday is Oct, I was 12 in the 6th grade.


36 posted on 11/20/2005 6:04:53 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Two Sides Same Coin; jocon307; Sally'sConcerns

It's unlikely that he's taking the heat for his cousin. This has actually become SOP for inner city gangs. Make the youngest the trigger men because they can't get real time. The whole culture is sicker than most of us can even imagine. They actually start by making 6 and 7 year olds feed puppies and kittens to pit bulls and rotweilers to desensitize them.


37 posted on 11/20/2005 6:08:19 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Two Sides Same Coin

Sure, go ahead, attack a dead man and call him racist.

RIP, Jim Croce


39 posted on 11/20/2005 6:23:56 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: Graybeard58

Was he homeschooled? You know those kids can be a problem.


40 posted on 11/20/2005 6:24:55 AM PST by YourAdHere (Viking kitties taste like chicken.)
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To: Graybeard58

Confused??? About what? Because it took several shots to down the victim????


41 posted on 11/20/2005 6:26:03 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Two Sides Same Coin

We may be seeing a case of the older asking the younger to be the trigger man in order to avoid prison.

Note how they left and returned to gun down the victim.

It's possible that the older retreived a stashed gun and convinced his younger cousin to pull the trigger.


42 posted on 11/20/2005 6:30:17 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: Two Sides Same Coin

Questions are not too answerable. CSI is not a bit like reality.

Most likely the kid had a low power handgun, maybe a .25, with terrible sights and worse trigger, and with no training but shooting it a few times. Also it was dark and the shooting was as close as possible. As far as both shoulders, etc., even "experts" often miss four shots out of five at twenty feet at night when excited and in fear for their lives. No way to tell what happened in this incident from the news story.


44 posted on 11/20/2005 6:56:29 AM PST by Iris7 ("Let me go to the house of the Father.")
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To: Two Sides Same Coin
Perhaps you are just very young and you don,t recognize the reference to a Jim Croce song about "the south side of Chicago" and "Leroy Brown".

Your sensitivity is so progressive though...go ahead and show your ignorance....damn newbie idiots.
45 posted on 11/20/2005 6:59:11 AM PST by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: KDD

His posting history in the few hours he's been a member shows a lot of "sensitivety" and "progressiveness".


Give him enough rope.


46 posted on 11/20/2005 7:02:23 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
"I guess he's reacting like any 12-year-old child would act -- he's scared, upset, confused,"

He probably is scared, upset and confused because he has no clue that he did anything wrong... how sad.
47 posted on 11/20/2005 7:02:45 AM PST by Seamoth
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To: Two Sides Same Coin
minors are minors precisely because it is assumed that they need adult guidance and do not have the tools or experience to make proper decisions on their own.

Drunks are the same way. So, do we give everyone under the influence a pass?
48 posted on 11/20/2005 7:04:53 AM PST by Seamoth
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To: Melas

Damn, I must be a horrible parent. My son is 13 and my daughter will be 12 in Jan, and I let them stay out until 9pm. No one that age had to be in at 8, even in my day.


In my day you had to be in before the street lights were on. But that was the sixties.


49 posted on 11/20/2005 8:47:20 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: ShadowDancer
Twelve years old would put him in 6th grade, that is elementary school.

Most 12-year olds are 8th graders, no. That's middle school. Elementary school where I'm from is K-5 or 6.

50 posted on 11/20/2005 9:16:11 AM PST by Fruitbat
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