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MURTHA'S LOST HIS NERVE
Self | November 20, 2005 | Gargantua

Posted on 11/20/2005 4:01:41 AM PST by Gargantua

When I was a much younger man, I had nerves of steel.

My friends and I used to drive old junk cars sideways around a track in a field at speeds that would make sane people shudder and even lunatics flinch. We used to call it “pitting” a car. No helmets, no airbags, not even a seat belt. Often we would get up on two wheels, or even roll completely over, and it was all just that much more fun.

The decades since then have passed, and I recently had a chance to do the same thing on my buddy’s farm. While I still could get the car sideways and easily handle steering with the throttle, I found that the invincible, devil-may-care derring-do of my youth had at some point fled me, and had been replaced by a more mature caution. My buddy told me “You’ve “lost your nerve.”

It happens to all of us—or at least it should. As one ages, his sense of mortality becomes a more important consideration, and decisions freely made concerning dangerous feats when one was younger now take on a more ominous tenor. Take, for instance, the recently well-publicized matter of Congressman Jack Murtha.

It is common knowledge that Jack Murtha decades ago served multiple tours of duty in ‘Nam. While his congressional buddy John Kerry was back home “Swift Boating” our brave soldiers before the same Congress in which they now both serve, Jack was in ‘Nam amassing a war record of which he was, and is, justifiably proud—notwithstanding the comments of his pal, Johnny “The Flip-Flop” Kerry.

There was a point in time when Jack Murtha knew that sending soldiers into an armed conflict against hostile combatants would cause those enemies of America to violently target American soldiers. Now, decades later, old Warhorse Jack is saying that we should bring our troops home because ‘their presence in Iraq has become a catalyst for violence.’

Really? Who ever would have thought that sending American troops into war would be a catalyst for violence? Perhaps Mr. Murtha now feels that, if we send soldiers into battle, the enemy should just lay down their arms, and if they don’t, then we should bring the boys home, right?

Johnny Kerry, who used to stand in Congress and smear soldiers like Jack Murtha, now says, “I won’t stand for the ‘Swift Boating’ of Jack Murtha.” I guess Johhny must have gotten his fill of that back in the ‘70’s. Or perhaps it’s okay to smear the entire American military in Congress, just not individual soldiers…

Young men fight wars and old men—even some old veterans—sit at home and opine. It’s the way of the world, and it’s human nature. And in Murtha's case, at least he waited until the approach of the '06 and '08 elections to misplace his spine.

Eventually, it happens to all of us. Or at least it should.


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1 posted on 11/20/2005 4:01:41 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: Gargantua
I've never been prouder of Johnny Kerry that I am to see him standing there in Congress defending our Viet Nam Vets...

...BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAHHHHhhhhhh!

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2 posted on 11/20/2005 4:08:08 AM PST by Gargantua (For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not, no explanation exists.)
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To: Gargantua

There's old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots. The Seante needs to be outsourced.


3 posted on 11/20/2005 4:10:35 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Gargantua

Murtha came to Congress on the heels of the death of its longtime GOP Congressman, John Phillips Saylor (of whom I own some of his personal political belongings), but it wasn't just any time, but as a result of Watergate (under almost any other time, that district would've sent another Republican). Murtha misrepresented himself as a "Conservative" when it turned out he was anything but. Even if we assume he ever was one, he would've long ago switched parties, but instead chose to remain right where he was, and even at that, and we give him the benefit of the doubt, then the other theory holds, that when you lay down with dogs long enough, you catch fleas. A real patriot would've known to "cut and run" from the party that, at its core, hates America and everything it stands for. He chose not to, so why now should we be so surprised when he embraced America's enemies? He has stood amongst them now for 32 years.


4 posted on 11/20/2005 4:13:17 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: Paladin2
The Seante needs to be outsourced.

Yikes!, now there is a scary thought.

Maybe a single term limit, so they can go there and do what we elected them to do,not play CYA so they can get re-elected.

5 posted on 11/20/2005 4:15:47 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (______________________________ Now that's a tagline!)
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To: Gargantua
"When I was a much younger man, I had nerves of steel."

I think that Murtha should be a lot more concerned about his integrity rather than his nerve.

I do appreciate Murtha's service to his country, but that gives no one the right to speak against our Commander and Chief.
6 posted on 11/20/2005 4:26:00 AM PST by parthian shot
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To: Gargantua

Excellent, gargantua


7 posted on 11/20/2005 4:26:29 AM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Gargantua

Murtha allowed himself to be used as a political pawn in the Democrat's anti-Bush agenda. And he is paying the price.


8 posted on 11/20/2005 4:34:08 AM PST by randita
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To: Gargantua

Altzheimers or dementia can set it at any age and, unfortunately, Democrat Murtha displays all the symptoms.


9 posted on 11/20/2005 4:34:44 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"He chose not to, so why now should we be so surprised when he embraced America's enemies?"

He thinks that now is the right time to hurt America. He is a vicious person. If Johny Kerrryy is a hypocrite/opportunist and we can deal with that, Murtha is a Jimy Carter's replica - an old perverted guy consumed by his hate of American values.And we cannot deal with that.
10 posted on 11/20/2005 4:35:54 AM PST by SeeSalt
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To: randita

I've heard that Murtha was being investigated for ethics violations before he made his embarrassing statement and he wanted to provoke the Admin. before it was made public so he can claim retaliation. Has anyone else heard this? Is this true?


11 posted on 11/20/2005 4:41:31 AM PST by oneofmany (Tolerance is the virtue of a man with no convictions - G.K. Chesterton(The Apostle of Common Sense)
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To: Gargantua

Yesterday as I was driving home in the pouring rain at 100mph in my 66 Ford Mustang pickup truck, I pondered why Martha lost his nerve.

Then I remember he was a democrat, They only have enough balls to stand up and do what is wrong for the country, and not enough to do what is right.

There is a difference.


12 posted on 11/20/2005 4:53:33 AM PST by usmcobra (30 years since I first celebrated The Marine Corps Birthday as a Marine)
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To: oneofmany
I've heard that Murtha was being investigated for ethics violations

Yes, this is true. He steered some very lucrative defense contracts to companies represented by a relative. There was a post yesterday about it.

13 posted on 11/20/2005 4:56:56 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: parthian shot; All
Integrity, conviction & vision... Murtha, if he ever had any, has none now. I believe age has little to do with it. Even Neville Chamberlain possessed two out of three... and gained the third before his death from cancer.

Murtha placed his party above his country... as have many in the House & Senate, the enemy across the aisle has replaced ANY enemy from abroad.

He serves his constituents in the most shameless and selfish of ways... and it is they who will eventually pay for his treachery.

14 posted on 11/20/2005 5:00:41 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
The Seante needs to be outsourced. Yikes!, now there is a scary thought. Maybe a single term limit, so they can go there and do what we elected them to do,not play CYA so they can get re-elected.

Just repeal the 17th ammendment and take the politics out of the Senate. Problem solved. No longer will the linguini spines in the Senate have to play CYA to get re-elected. No longer will the lobbyists have sway over that branch of the gov't. Take it back to the way it was originally laid out, having the House of Reps of each state select the senators.

15 posted on 11/20/2005 5:01:12 AM PST by chief_bigfoot ("isn't THAT amazing?" - Ron Popiel)
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To: usmcobra
66 Ford Mustang pickup truck

Got a picture of that? What is that, a ranchero backend welded to a mustang front clip?

16 posted on 11/20/2005 5:08:23 AM PST by austinite
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To: Gargantua

You nailed it.

In the meantime- besides losing his nerve- he seems to have lost some of his ability to think rationally. It must have been an odd and circuitous route he took to reach his present stand.


17 posted on 11/20/2005 5:09:56 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: Gargantua
I actually don't think he lost his nerve. It took a lot of nerve to do what he did. He traded in years of hard earned credibility to try to score political points for his party. The Democrats made a political calculation that Murtha was the perfect spokes person for their planned assault on the President. So he agreed to go along.

They just didn't plan on what the Republicans did in response. And it came back and blew up in the Dem's faces... And with it, went Murtha's integrity...
18 posted on 11/20/2005 5:12:38 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: Gargantua

My version of this statement is " He's no longer the man in the Resume."


19 posted on 11/20/2005 5:15:04 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Remember the Maine, Remember tha Alamo..... Remember Murtha)
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To: austinite

What I want to know is when do I get to be an "outspoken former Marine" like Murtha or Massey or anyone else in the antiwar crows the MSM drools over.

I hear the pay is great.

20 posted on 11/20/2005 5:19:44 AM PST by usmcobra (30 years since I first celebrated The Marine Corps Birthday as a Marine)
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To: usmcobra

"Yesterday as I was driving home in the pouring rain at 100mph in my 66 Ford Mustang pickup truck.."

Dude, if you had the balls to get a '66 Mustang up to 100 in the rain, the car with the deadest ass on record--and with even MORE weight off it due to the 'pick-up' cut, well..then..NONE of us is worthy.


21 posted on 11/20/2005 5:33:48 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Excellent comment. Thanks for saying it.


22 posted on 11/20/2005 5:38:30 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
This is not the first time a one time war hero needed to butt out and stay home one the farm. I can think of at least one other case(McCain). Another great reason for term limits IMHO.
23 posted on 11/20/2005 5:39:03 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support Able Danger and Lt.Col Shaffer,Condi Rice/VP in 08--)
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To: oneofmany

There have been several threads on his dubious business and political dealings.


24 posted on 11/20/2005 5:40:48 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support Able Danger and Lt.Col Shaffer,Condi Rice/VP in 08--)
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To: DB
"And with it, went Murtha's integrity... "

Yeah, especially when he voted against his own proposal. He allowed himself to be used as a political whore.

25 posted on 11/20/2005 5:41:39 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: austinite

Got a picture of that? What is that, a ranchero backend welded to a mustang front clip?

It was one of those 66 Mustacheros.


26 posted on 11/20/2005 5:42:08 AM PST by DH
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To: usmcobra

is this real or photoshopped?


27 posted on 11/20/2005 5:48:19 AM PST by austinite
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To: Gargantua

There comes a time when an old man needs to just shut the hell up... before he makes a fool of himself. I pray I'll be able to recognize it... if not that's what family is for.


28 posted on 11/20/2005 5:50:59 AM PST by Bubba (AGGIE truck anti-theft device is... the way it works)
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To: austinite
Real, I made it.

Back to Murtha's nerves and his sevice as well, What a disservice he has done to our Marines, he has by his actions become their lone voice in the media.

From here on out The Media will rather quote him then any other Marine especially those in Iraq.

He's effectively silenced their opinions, that takes a lot of nerve.

29 posted on 11/20/2005 6:00:37 AM PST by usmcobra (30 years since I first celebrated The Marine Corps Birthday as a Marine)
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To: DB
Your take is great

I do think that there is an honest remnant of hand wringing despair on the other side over our sacrifices. It resides behind the political glee over the tough task the administration has to achieve over a period of months and months.

What is also honestly there is an attitude toward the three ethnic/religious groups that make up Iraq. That attitude is based upon the leftist assessment that those people can't possibly achieve a civilized state and create a functioning society. There is a bigotry that is betrayed by the hand wringing -- a lack of faith in our fellow man.

With the left being convinced that due to the nature of those people and the history of the Arabs and Kurds involved that failure is guaranteed, they ask, "why bother?" Convinced that they can't reach the enlightened level of the progressive mind without the Tito or the Stalin to regulate and guide them, they say, "why waste our soldiers?"

30 posted on 11/20/2005 6:02:16 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: Gargantua
The entire Murtha gambit hinged on his record of military service to give him "moral authority." But the fact is that there were several MC's with far more impressive military records than Murtha's who got up and discredited his view. They of course are never mentioned in the news reports.

The tip-off on Murtha was the disgusting display of blubbering and whining and fearful rage in his voice as he cashed in his self-respect on the House floor. He has indeed lost whatever nerve he may once have had, and is not worth further comment.

31 posted on 11/20/2005 6:09:15 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: chief_bigfoot
Just repeal the 17th ammendment and take the politics out of the Senate. Problem solved. No longer will the linguini spines in the Senate have to play CYA to get re-elected. No longer will the lobbyists have sway over that branch of the gov't. Take it back to the way it was originally laid out, having the House of Reps of each state select the senators.

Now you're talking!!!

32 posted on 11/20/2005 6:10:49 AM PST by Jolly Green
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To: Gargantua

Divide and conquer , The only weapon the commies have found that works for them . The radical left and the aclu are driving the wedge , Murtha is just another one of the pawns , it has nothing to do with losing his nerve . His children and grandchildren would look good in berkas , just ask him .


34 posted on 11/20/2005 6:11:58 AM PST by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: FerdieMurphy
I've been posting on just about every Murtha thread that we should stop blaming Alzheimer's or dementia for his behavior.

This wily old hack knows exactly what he's doing and why.

Intimating that forms of senility have made him take leave of his senses is making undeserved excuses for him.

Let him flounder in the criticisms thrown at him, but for the right reasons.......he's duplicitous, a liar and a traitor.

Leni

35 posted on 11/20/2005 6:12:19 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Single term limit and rotating the seat of government every year to a new state.


36 posted on 11/20/2005 7:00:15 AM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: Gargantua; All

Take OUR debate terms to the Demorats:

We know that the Democrats want an "exit strategy", they must be asked:

Why they are opposed to Democracy in Iraq.

Why they are opposed to protecting an infant Democracy in Iraq.

Why they are so desperate to give the insurgents and the terrorists a timetable, when they know ANY timetable will only be used to the terrorists advantage.

Why, at every juncture when Democracy improves in Iraq and when the success of the terrorists seems more desperate, do the Demorats more desperately seek an "exit strategy".

Why, when the vast majority of the Iraq people oppose the insurgents, when the insurgents and the terrorists are at war against the majority of the people of Iraq, do the Demorats wrongly, knowingly in error refer to Iraq as a quagmire, when it is only a quagmire for the insurgents.

Why, do the Demorats have but one policy objective in Iraq, our exit, when the only possible means of ultimate victory for the insurgents and the terrorists is our exit, and the Demorats know it.

Why do the Demorats want an unstable Iraq.

Why do the Demorats want chaos in Iraq.

We are on the offensive here now, because the Demorats can only betray their Kerry-like appeasement and cowardice in the answers to these questions.


37 posted on 11/20/2005 7:02:13 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Gargantua
It is common knowledge that Jack Murtha decades ago served multiple tours of duty in ‘Nam.

Murtha's biography claims he was in Vietnam in '66-'67. Marines had 13 month tours of duty in Vietnam. I can find no reference to Murtha serving multiple tours. Where did this common knowledge come from?

38 posted on 11/20/2005 7:18:39 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Gargantua
Gargantua:
My friend I am older than that POS and I do not run down our troups. I fought in WWII, and I will tell you that someone that says and does the things that Jack M. is doing is wrong. I am 81 years old and I do not sit around and think of things that I can do or say that harms our wonderful troups. I support our President, troups and yes even some in Congress. (I do select which ones though.)I have said many times on different threads that I think the young people fighting today are as good and as proud as those of us that fought in WWII. I support them with all of my being.

Good evening and the very best to you and yours.

Semper Fi
Tommie

39 posted on 11/20/2005 7:20:47 AM PST by Texican (This FORMER MARINE will never in his life time "Cut and Run")
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To: austinite
What is that, a ranchero backend welded to a mustang front clip?

It's a Mustang whose trunk lid blew off.

40 posted on 11/20/2005 7:22:12 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: randita
Murtha allowed himself to be used as a political pawn in the Democrat's anti-Bush agenda. And he is paying the price.

Bingo.

41 posted on 11/20/2005 7:45:46 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: chief_bigfoot
"Just repeal the 17th ammendment and take the politics out of the Senate. Problem solved."

You are more right than most people know.

The original form of the Senate respected the founders belief in the checks and balances of federalism. Senators were not directly elected because they did not represent people as much as they represented their elected state government. You have elections in a state and those elected state representatives send their representatives to the federal legislature.

You can trace alot of the growth of federal power to the aftermath of the 17th amendment - direct election of US Senators.

42 posted on 11/20/2005 7:50:34 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Gargantua
We used to call it “pitting” a car. No helmets, no airbags, not even a seat belt. Often we would get up on two wheels, or even roll completely over, and it was all just that much more fun.

So "Gargantua" casts his vote to continue fighting in Iraq with "no helmets, no airbags, not even a seat belt."

Whoa! You sure are full of gung-ho "bravado", dude.

But I'm pretty certain that Jack Murtha would call you "stupid".

IMHO, you should be nominated for a Darwin Award!

43 posted on 11/20/2005 7:56:06 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: MinuteGal
WOW.....great post Leni, you don't mince words, do you?

I think Pelosi had alot to do with this.........she worked on him.

44 posted on 11/20/2005 8:24:42 AM PST by mickie
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To: parthian shot
...but that gives no one the right to speak against our Commander and Chief.

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I can see speaking against the Commander in Chief. We all did it when Clintoon was in there. And we were justified in doing so. He and she were both lying pieces of crap. But to out and out lie on ANYBODY is a whole 'nother story. All the DemocRATS are simply lying to try to get their power back. Or the power they think should be their birth-right. They're even lying to themselves. I don't believe the polls. I think a majority of the people see right through them.
45 posted on 11/20/2005 8:26:26 AM PST by gooleyman ( What about the baby's "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"?????? I bet the baby would chose LIFE.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I agree. IMHO- a limiting all politicians to a single term would be greatest single reform we could make to our system. Six years for president and senate, four years for house of reps. AS things stand now all these losers do is campaign for reelection from the first day they are in office. New blood is needed.

(Of course, politicians will vote for any sort of term limits about ten minutes after we are ice scatting in Hades.)
46 posted on 11/20/2005 9:08:31 AM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: knarf
Thanks, Knarf. The irony on both sides of this (Kerry's and Murtha's) deserved comment.

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47 posted on 11/20/2005 4:52:26 PM PST by Gargantua (For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not, no explanation exists.)
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To: Gargantua

The *real* reason for Murtha's change in position is a lot sadder. He was redistricted into a more Democratic district -- one with a lot more "traditional" Democrats. You know, the leftist moonbats. So he has been running left to avoid a primary fight that he just might lose to a true-believer moonbat. Country might suffer, but what is more important? The country or John Murtha's career.

Bet on his career every time.


48 posted on 11/20/2005 4:55:38 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: DB
"It took a lot of nerve to do what he did. He traded in years of hard earned credibility to try to score political points for his party."

Exactly. How about Kerry saying that he won't stand for a soldier to be smeared in Congress?!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

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49 posted on 11/20/2005 4:56:10 PM PST by Gargantua (For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not, no explanation exists.)
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To: Wuli

The Dems, and Murtha, are doing everything they can to gin-up hatred for America amongst the mullahs and Imams in the Middle-east, giving them sound bites to use in the hopes that they'll recruit enough exploding morons to cause more harm to our troops.


50 posted on 11/20/2005 5:01:58 PM PST by Gargantua (For those who believe in God, no explanation is needed; for those who do not, no explanation exists.)
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