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Thousands in Mass. to get cheaper oil - Delahunt, Chávez broker deal (it might as well be Castro)
Boston Globe ^ | November 20, 2005 | Michael Levenson and Susan Milligan

Posted on 11/20/2005 5:31:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

A subsidiary of the Venezuelan national oil company will ship 12 million gallons of discounted home-heating oil to local charities and 45,000 low-income families in Massachusetts next month under a deal arranged by US Representative William D. Delahunt, a local nonprofit energy corporation, and Venezuela's president, White House critic Hugo Chávez.

The approximately $9 million deal will bring nine million gallons of oil to families and three million gallons to institutions that serve the poor, such as homeless shelters, said officials from Citizens Energy Corp., which is signing the contract. Families would pay about $276 for a 200-gallon shipment, a savings of about $184 and enough to last about three weeks.

The contract is to be signed Tuesday by officials from Citizens Energy, based in Boston, and CITGO, a Houston-based subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela SA. The contract was arranged after months of talks between Delahunt, a Quincy Democrat active in Latin American affairs, and Chávez, a leftist former paratrooper and fierce critic of the Bush administration.

''We recognized that we had an opportunity," Delahunt's spokesman, Steve Schwadron, said yesterday.

Chávez showed ''an inclination to do a humanitarian distribution" of oil, and poor families in Massachusetts had a ''desperate need" for relief from high home-heating prices, Schwadron said. He characterized the deal as one between ''a US company and two nonprofits to help them do more of what they already do, with terms that mean the price is good."

Delahunt was not available for comment yesterday.

Schwadron said the congressman did not get involved in the details of the contract, but had raised the issue with Chávez and helped connect the nonprofits with CITGO, which is owned by PDV America Inc., an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela SA, the national oil company of Venezuela.

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To me this is the same as Cynthia McKinney grabbing for the $10M Saudi check after 9/11.

Hugo Chavez - Venezuela

***....But Chávez's ambitions extend beyond the Americas. He has signed treaties for "technological cooperation" with the dictators of Libya, Iran, and Syria. He has numerous business interests in those countries, and has publicly described the terror-sponsors who rule them as his "partners" and "friends." The feeling is mutual. Iran and Libya have hundreds of millions invested in Venezuela. Significantly, Chávez was the only foreign leader to visit Saddam Hussein after the first Gulf war. During his visit he embraced Saddam and called him "brother."....***Source

1 posted on 11/20/2005 5:31:05 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well, it is the Kennedy family running this, after all.


2 posted on 11/20/2005 5:33:56 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"Chávez showed ''an inclination to do a humanitarian distribution" of oil..."


He's made a number of "humanitarian" gestures like this, and gotten publicity from them. I wonder if anyone follows these stories to the end to confirm that he's actually doing it.


3 posted on 11/20/2005 5:35:24 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: SuziQ
Venezuelan troops get provocative book***CARACAS - A book published and distributed by the Venezuelan army argues that ''revolutionary Islam'' and U.S. religious extremism are moral equivalents and quotes approvingly from the Venezuelan terrorist known as Carlos the Jackal.

The 250-page Peripheral Warfare and Revolutionary Islam was written by Spanish politician and academic Jorge Verstrynge and is being distributed on the personal orders of Army Chief Gen. Raúl Baduel, a long-time supporter of leftist Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez.

Baduel's office said he's not available for an interview until January. Armed Forces Inspector General Gen. Melvin López Hidalgo said he was unaware of the book but argued that its publication by the army should not be taken as ''tacit support for the opinions it contains.'' It's simply an example of ''freedom of expression,'' he added.

....................One foreign military officer in Venezuela, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of his job, said the Venezuelan army does appear to be endorsing the book's contents. ''It's even got the army's coat of arms on it,'' the official said. ``What more of an endorsement could you have?'' ..........***

4 posted on 11/20/2005 5:36:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Think it is time to start squeezing CITGO...Coast Guard interdiction of all its ships. If all paperwork not perfect, deny entry to the U.S. I'm sure that between customs law and admiralty law, there is plenty that can be used.

As for Delahunt, sounds like an enemy combatant to me. If he wants to be active in Latin affairs on behalf of an enemy of the U.S., time for him to spend time in Club Gitmo.


5 posted on 11/20/2005 5:37:19 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...and Venezuela's president, White House critic Hugo Chávez.

Here's how low the left wing moonbat MSM has gotten; foreign leaders are now described based on their stand against Bush! White House critic, LOL!!!! I guess it makes sense from their perspective. Chavez is, after all, a fellow traveler of the Boston Globe.

6 posted on 11/20/2005 5:39:03 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Brilliant
Oil, politics and Venezuela - Many are wondering how far Chávez will go***President Hugo Chavez lashes out at oil companies, causing alarm bells to ring among foreign investors - .......''The thinking at the time, and I shared it, was that you watched what Chávez actually did rather than listen to what he said,'' said Alex Kazan, an analyst with Bear Sterns, an investment bank. But now, he added, Chávez is backing his rhetoric with actions.

Among his latest actions: an announcement that PDVSA would start paying foreign oil companies in Venezuelan currency, not just U.S. dollars. That means oil firms will be subject to Venezuela's stringent foreign exchange controls, inserting a further element of risk in their business.

.........Only in February, Ali Moshiri, ChevronTexaco's top man for Latin America, told aides to Sen. Richard Lugar, a powerful Indiana Republican who suggested that the United States should reduce its oil dependence on Venezuela, that the U.S. energy relations with Venezuela ''had to be separated from political relations,'' one staffer recalled.

But Exxon Mobil has been critical of the new Venezuelan measures.

''Any time a government begins to exhibit characteristics of not wanting to honor contracts, that's going to cause you a lot of pause with respect to your enthusiasm for putting more money into that particular location,'' Roy Tillerson, the firm's president, told analysts in March.

This week the firm told the Associated Press that ''arbitration remains an option'' if Venezuela does not respect its original contract in its Cerro Negro heavy crude project, although the company would continue to press for a friendly solution.

Many are wondering how far Chávez will go.

Asked if Chávez could simply nationalize the foreign oil companies' assets in Venezuelan assets -- in effect seize the property -- Matthew Simmons, who runs a Houston investment bank specializing in energy, said he had no doubts.

''Oh yes,'' he said. ``In front of our eyes.''***

Using oil to spread revolution - CAFTA "a national-security vote" slows Chavista expansionism ***.............Fears that Venezuela would profit from its rejection was one reason why the Bush administration lobbied so hard for the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), narrowly passed by the House of Representatives on July 27th (see article). Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, had called this “a national-security vote”.

All the same, Mr Chávez's successes are fragile ones. For one thing, it is hard to see what tangible benefits Venezuelans derive from this diplomacy. Mr Chávez has alienated both of his country's main trading partners, the United States and Colombia. Oil revenues are increasingly being spent without democratic scrutiny. A once-professional diplomatic service has been turned into a branch of the revolution, its dissidents either purged or neutralised. And although the alliance with Cuba has brought new social programmes, their cost and long-term benefits are hard to determine. Despite the oil boom, unemployment officially stands at 11%.

There are also limits to the region's tolerance of chavista expansionism. Only Cuba has signed up for ALBA. The richer Caribbean countries are unenthusiastic about Petrocaribe. Petrosur and Petroandina feature much rhetoric and little action. Cuba apart, no other country shares Mr Chávez's distaste for representative democracy, or his disdain for regional bodies such as the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

In a setback for Mr Chávez, on July 27th the Inter-American Development Bank, the region's largest official lender, chose as its new president Luis Alberto Moreno, Colombia's ambassador to Washington who was discreetly backed by Mr Bush. Mr Moreno easily defeated candidates from Brazil and Venezuela.

Argentine officials have welcomed imports of fuel from Venezuela, and its help in making contacts with China, but they are cooling towards Mr Chávez. Were evidence to emerge of his hand in Bolivia's turmoil, South America would become even warier. Should Lula's troubles deny him a second term, Brazil is likely to move to the centre-right, shifting the regional balance. The death of Mr Castro, who is 78 and frail, would be a body blow to Mr Chávez. So, of course, would a fall in oil prices.

A Summit of the Americas, involving 34 countries (all except Cuba), in Argentina in November should be a pointer to the prevailing diplomatic winds. The United States wants to stop the meeting becoming a platform for Mr Chávez. But if Mr Bush turns up empty-handed (CAFTA apart), Latin Americans will continue to pay court to that generous neighbour in Caracas.***

7 posted on 11/20/2005 5:40:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Alas Babylon!

No kidding.

They love to call him a "fire-brand."


8 posted on 11/20/2005 5:41:42 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Delahunt and Kennedy seem to be able to deal with the "Hate America" crowd very effectively.

If I remember correctly doesn't Kennedy get paid about $ 640,000.00 per year for this work.

Maybe if he took less money there would be more oil for the poor.

Delahunt doesn't do much else for the U.S.A. especially for proper Immigration on the Southern Border.


9 posted on 11/20/2005 5:41:51 AM PST by chatham
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To: peyton randolph

I know Bush should get better briefing on Chavez.


10 posted on 11/20/2005 5:42:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: chatham
As usual they're buying votes and all the better if they can praise a commie dictator for their benevolence.
11 posted on 11/20/2005 5:44:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Kennedy said Delahunt has been working with Chávez ''for years now and has gone down there many times and developed a personal relationship with him."

Democrats and Dictators. The love never stops.

12 posted on 11/20/2005 5:46:32 AM PST by catpuppy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; The Foolkiller; ME Conservative; spartan68; Madame Dufarge; busybody; Severa; ...
What about Maine and Tennessee? The two poorest states in the nation! How about them?

I just don't get this!

13 posted on 11/20/2005 5:47:49 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The pain of Chavez is going to eventually be felt in the pocketbooks by all Venezuelans, even the poor.


14 posted on 11/20/2005 5:47:52 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

It already is.


15 posted on 11/20/2005 5:49:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: catpuppy

Bump!


16 posted on 11/20/2005 5:49:56 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SuziQ

Interesting math involved - 12 million gallons of home heating oil for $9 million- THEN-

A 200 gallon delivery will cost $276.....

75 cents per gallon cost

$1.38 to the consumer

So who is getting the just over 80% mark-up? IF this was really to "help the poor folks", then why such a high mark-up?


Just an interesting observation.


17 posted on 11/20/2005 5:50:04 AM PST by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is just one dictatorship helping out another. The Kennedy dictatorship of Massachusetts working with Venezuela.
Actually I didnt know Massachusetts had any poor people. Must be people too stupid to get a job on the "Big Dig".

Might I ask what qualifies one as being poor and how do they get this oil into the tanks of these poor after bypassing those who dont qualify? Who is the final Judge of who is poor and who isnt? Have they got an agency set up for this decision? Sounds like a job for someone.


18 posted on 11/20/2005 5:51:50 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And so many scoff at the idea of a one world order of nations ( to fulfill Christian prophecy) even as it is forming.


19 posted on 11/20/2005 5:52:20 AM PST by kindred (Democrat terrorist politicians have allied with Islamic terrorists.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"To me this is the same as Cynthia McKinney grabbing for the $10M Saudi check after 9/11."

You really think so? The fact of the matter is that there is the very real possibility that people will freeze to death in the Northeast this winter because of stupid government regulations and the greed of an American oil industry which which has much of the Washington government and this administration on its payroll in one fashion or another!

I've heard all the arguments about democrats keeping a refinery out of the Northeast but that's just oil company/administration spin. There are major refineries in NJ and New Brunswick, right next door so to speak and yet the price of home heating oil is higher than the more highly refined and heavily taxed gasoline products!

Churchill said he'd make a pact with the devil if it meant beating Hitler. If this congressman's efforts with Chavez, an otherwise execrable creep, keep some poor people warm this winter, the only shame is on Washington which has allowed this situation to arise in the first place and an oil industry which took shameful advantage of wild speculation in an out of control free for all market in both crude and distillates! It is exactly the sort of pinched soul polemics and hyperbole you've demonstrated here which will drive people to vote for the democrats in the midterm elections!
20 posted on 11/20/2005 5:52:39 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

> As usual they're buying votes ...

Looks more like Hugo's bought himself a congressman. When clinton installed Aristide, the Kennedys got control of Haitian telecom. A friend from Barbados told me much the same happened there. Lating America and the Caribbean are going to get more and more "interesting." Chavez is building himself an extraordinary powerbase, while in return, the mob has cocaine and the Dems have the rest...oil, telecom, shipping.


21 posted on 11/20/2005 6:02:37 AM PST by cloud8
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To: Kolokotronis
the very real possibility that people will freeze to death in the Northeast this winter because of stupid government regulations and the greed of an American oil industry

1. It is the envirowhackos who have prevented the construction of refineries for more than two decades by filing frivolous suits on behalf of spotted owls and 3-legged-toads...suits that are rubber-stamped by Carter and Clinton judicial appointees.

2. The oil industry is in the business to make money. Capitalism. That being said, prices at the pumps for more than 3/4 of U.S. gas stations are set at each station not by giant conglomerates. This is because of antitrust laws. And such prices wouldn't be so high if federal and state governments didn't tax the hell out of liquid fuels. Granted home heating oil isn't taxed the same...but the government still takes its share.

3. People freezing to death? Parade of imaginary horribles without a scintilla of evidence to back it up. Give me a break. You sound like every leftist troll who posts here. Can't wait to hear your views on homelessness, Kyoto Treaty, and the Iraq War.

P.S. Give my regards to Comrade Sheehan during your next protest.

22 posted on 11/20/2005 6:06:52 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Kolokotronis
The fact of the matter is that there is the very real possibility that people will freeze to death in the Northeast this winter....

Piffle. Heating oil stocks are very high, and there are already programs to get heating oil to the needy.

I've heard all the arguments about democrats keeping a refinery out of the Northeast but that's just oil company/administration spin.

Piffle again. It isn't about local refineries. Oil products can be and are shipped from one side of the country to the other, and one side of the world to the other, when an order is placed. Lack of refineries will not affect the oil coming from Venezuela, for instance.

Home heating oil is nothing more than regular diesel oil, usually #2, though sometimes it has a different mix of additives. If you look at the price at your local gas station, you will see that the cost is higher than gasoline there, as well.

23 posted on 11/20/2005 6:07:07 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Kolokotronis

Hmmm, sounds like you favor big government to regulate prices. That's certainly not a conservative issue. I'm not surprised, you are a lawyer after all. Your screed belongs over on DU.


24 posted on 11/20/2005 6:09:57 AM PST by ChuckHam
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To: jimtorr

" Piffle. Heating oil stocks are very high, and there are already programs to get heating oil to the needy."

Stocks are down from last year and the programs to get oil to the poor are virtually all run by the states with federal funds on a voucher system. The amount of money available this year is exactly what it was last year when the price of home heating oil was substantially lower than it is now.

"Piffle again. It isn't about local refineries. Oil products can be and are shipped from one side of the country to the other, and one side of the world to the other, when an order is placed. Lack of refineries will not affect the oil coming from Venezuela, for instance."

Precisely, but the oil companies/administration line is that the problem in this country lies in a lack of refining capacity, not crude supply.

"Home heating oil is nothing more than regular diesel oil, usually #2, though sometimes it has a different mix of additives. If you look at the price at your local gas station, you will see that the cost is higher than gasoline there, as well."

Over the road diesel is taxed just like gasoline. Home heating oil isn't.


25 posted on 11/20/2005 6:13:06 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So the SOROS funded publicans MAYBE had reason to stop ANWAR.


26 posted on 11/20/2005 6:15:03 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Kolokotronis

Your creditability isn't going to improve by repeating the BS that appears in the Boston Plop, NYT and spews forth from Kennedy's gang of limousine-socialists.

Rest assured there is PLENTY of oil and money to pay for it. If there were any REAL concern, the government could just cut its extortionate taxes on oil and gasoline which amount to around 3 times the oil company profit per gallon. The government gets its rakeoff without doing ANYTHING constructive toward finding, drilling for, refining, or distributing the product.

The economic ignorance of MASSholes and liberal moonbats would be unbelievable if it weren't so prominently and frequently demonstrated.


27 posted on 11/20/2005 6:22:41 AM PST by NHResident (i)
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To: peyton randolph

". The oil industry is in the business to make money. Capitalism. That being said, prices at the pumps for more than 3/4 of U.S. gas stations are set at each station not by giant conglomerates. This is because of antitrust laws. And such prices wouldn't be so high if federal and state governments didn't tax the hell out of liquid fuels. Granted home heating oil isn't taxed the same...but the government still takes its share."

The price at the pump is indeed usually set by the local retailer, though by no means always. Their margins run anywhere from 5 to 24 cents per gallon, gross. Its a business of pennies, my friend. The refiners control the rack price, and the dealers and jobbers pay based, usually, on that. A simple tactic like putting out the word that there will be allocations of "unbranded" product because of an anticipated shortage will, and did, cause an unbranded/branded rack price inversion which drove up the price of unbranded to both jobbers and retailers. That in turn drove up the price of branded product on account of the traditional premium paid for "branded" product. The companies then used the fantasy shortage of gasoline product to excuse the jump in home heating oil prices. The companies made vast sums of money. But you know what, there was no shortage and no plans for an allocation. Now, if that's your idea of how capitalism ought to work, I think you'll find that as a society we decided about 100 years ago that that wasn't such a good idea.

"You sound like every leftist troll who posts here."

Oh, I think my bona fides as something other than a leftist troll have been petty well established here, my friend.


28 posted on 11/20/2005 6:23:37 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: cloud8

Of course the Dems are buying votes. This is outrageous.

They are literally selling out freedom for oil.


29 posted on 11/20/2005 6:24:15 AM PST by KCRW
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To: NHResident

"Your creditability isn't going to improve by repeating the BS that appears in the Boston Plop, NYT and spews forth from Kennedy's gang of limousine-socialists."

Actually, I read the Herald! :)


30 posted on 11/20/2005 6:24:47 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: KCRW

"Of course the Dems are buying votes."

The Republicans would never do that, would they? I seem to remember something about a bridge up in Alaska, but I am getting older, maybe I'm wrong. Then there's that "immigration reform" we've all heard of from the administration. Money for votes???!!! My friend, that's what politicians do and it makes little difference whether they are Rs or Ds.


31 posted on 11/20/2005 6:28:46 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: peyton randolph; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

I think it's time to start squeezing Massachusetts


32 posted on 11/20/2005 6:29:51 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Kolokotronis
The amount of money available this year is exactly what it was last year when the price of home heating oil was substantially lower than it is now.

.....and that still will not cause anybody to freeze because they couldn't get any heating oil. There is plenty of fuel and charity money to go around.

....the oil companies/administration line is that the problem in this country lies in a lack of refining capacity, not crude supply.

That is everybodies line, if they are talking about problems caused by a refinery or two being shut down. However, your argument was about the "line" about refineries in the N.E., not worldwide.

Farm-use fuels do not pay road taxes either, and diesel is still usually more expensive than gasoline. Home heating oil is taxed, although politicians don't like to admit it.

33 posted on 11/20/2005 6:30:25 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Kolokotronis

This is bigger than the Oil for Food scandal.

Democrats are selling American freedom for oil.


34 posted on 11/20/2005 6:32:10 AM PST by KCRW
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To: KCRW

Congress invited this response when it cut funding for LIHEAP (heating oil assistance for poor people) while shoveling money into useless Alaskan bridges. We have people here who could barely afford to heat their homes last year who have since seen prices nearly double, and the aid that they received has been cut. Someone's willing to help, that makes him the sucker.

In the meantime, the southerners in Congress are thrilled to tap our northern tax money for their own farm subsidies ratholes.

And don't bother bringing up the Big Dig--Massachusetts has ALWAYS paid more to Washington than we've gotten back, even during the worst days of Tip O'Neill, when at best we came within a hair of breaking evem. Now we get back about 75 cents for every dollar we send to Washington and then on to West Virginia, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Alaska...


35 posted on 11/20/2005 6:37:39 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Boycot CITGO!!!

Look at the Lewinsky the Glob gives to Chavez, "a leftist former paratrooper and fierce critic of the Bush administration". "Communist expropriator and Yet Another Tinhorn Despot" would be more honest.

Delahunt, meanwhile, is proving himself to be the George Galloway of the Western Hemisphere. "Blood for Oil", indeed.

We need no further proof that the Joe The Second and the rest of the baby-boom generation of the Kennedy Kleptocracy is the same bunch of vapid bolsheviks they've always been. "Citizen's Energy", my hemorrhaging wallet. Every "non-profit" that competes with an actual business is, of course, a tax-subsidized government boondoggle in disguise, actually *raising* the price of any product in a given market by *killing* honest businesses in the long run.

And, of course, the usual "public interest" tax-vampires are quoted as if they were spouting gospel through all orifices on judgment day.

A *fine* thing to wake up to on a Sunday morning...


36 posted on 11/20/2005 6:37:54 AM PST by ForegoneAlternative (The cost of anything is...)
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To: freema

I see you're from North Carolina. Pop quiz: which of these states committed treason against the United States and engaged in unconstitutional rebellion:

1) Massachusetts
2) North Carolina


37 posted on 11/20/2005 6:38:44 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: ForegoneAlternative
Every "non-profit" that competes with an actual business is, of course, a tax-subsidized government boondoggle in disguise, actually *raising* the price of any product in a given market by *killing* honest businesses in the long run.

Owners of crude oil are rent-seekers, not entrepreneurs. Chavez is an example of that, in fact.
38 posted on 11/20/2005 6:40:47 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: SuziQ
CITGO, which is owned by PDV America Inc., an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela SA, the national oil company of Venezuela.

Why do we buy gas from CITGO?

Buy American.

39 posted on 11/20/2005 6:43:04 AM PST by BIGZ
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

On balance though, this deal speaks volumes for Chavez' true feelings when it comes to free trade - he obviously favors it. So all his public appearances amount to posturing as his new slogan becomes, "Show me the money!"


40 posted on 11/20/2005 6:44:06 AM PST by sono (Support Our Troops - Bring The Congressmen Home!)
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To: HostileTerritory

And whose senator committed treason back in the late sixties and early seventies?

Whose senator left a woman to drown?

Whose senator was a communist who took the fifth at a senate hearing?


41 posted on 11/20/2005 6:53:25 AM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: ChuckHam

"Hmmm, sounds like you favor big government to regulate prices. That's certainly not a conservative issue."

No, I remember very well what price controls on gasoline did the last time we tried that. What is hapening at the reatil level isn't the problem, or at least it isn't the root of the problem. The problem really lies in the unregulated trading of petroleum as a commodity, which, as we have seen, is a prescription for boom and bust.

"Your screed belongs over on DU."

LOL! Trust me on this one; they'd reall get angry with me! Off to church!


42 posted on 11/20/2005 6:56:10 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The State Department and the President need to read this Congressman the riot act. Foreign relations are the sole province of the executive branch, not a Congress person on behalf of a specific state.


43 posted on 11/20/2005 6:56:51 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: SuziQ
Well, it is the Kennedy family running this, after all.

Did the reporter actually put the word Kennedy anywhere in the article? I did not see it, and submit my observation as yet another example of how "MSM" deletes information that would be "not in the best interests" of their readers. We know that Citizens Energy is Robert Kennedy's pet project, but how many casual readers know it.

In common language: CENSORSHIP

44 posted on 11/20/2005 6:58:30 AM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World --Frank Gaffney)
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To: maica

This is typical of a left-wing dictator. Harm your country and your people just for propaganda purposes.

The oil belongs to the people of Venezeula and they should get the right value for it. Why should rich people from Boston be subsidized by the poor people in Venezeula?

And it is typical of the American left. Play right into the hands of the propaganda machine of a left-wing dictator without having any clue whatsoever what harm they are really doing.


45 posted on 11/20/2005 7:04:50 AM PST by JustDoItAlways
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To: maica

OMG-Did you even read the article?

"When the discounted oil arrives early next month, Citizens Energy -- whose chairman and president, former US representative Joseph P. Kennedy II, also helped arrange the contract -- will screen recipients with the help of local organizations that serve the poor. Some 350 local dealers will then distribute three-fourths of the oil to local families."

"Kennedy said he was not concerned about Chávez's politics.

''You start parsing which countries' politics we're going to feel comfortable with, and only buying oil from them, then there are going to be a lot of people not driving their cars and not staying warm this winter," Kennedy said. ''There are a lot of countries that have much worse records than Venezuela. At the end of the day it's not our business to go choosing other peoples' leaders, particularly when they are duly-elected democratic leaders."

Kennedy said Delahunt has been working with Chávez ''for years now and has gone down there many times and developed a personal relationship with him.""






46 posted on 11/20/2005 7:07:41 AM PST by KCRW
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To: KCRW

I read the 7 graphs that were posted here. No, I did not clik on Boston.com and have no intention of doing so.

So consider my remarks about censorship to include the first 7 paragraphs only.


47 posted on 11/20/2005 7:10:34 AM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World --Frank Gaffney)
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To: BIGZ

> Why do we buy gas from CITGO?

> Buy American.

That nice to say, and it would be nice to boycott Mideast oil too, but I'm afraid I swallow my patriotic pride and buy the cheapest.


48 posted on 11/20/2005 7:13:51 AM PST by cloud8
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To: HostileTerritory

Nice spin- There are no cuts to LIHEAP-quit calling an increase a cut. Perhaps the increase is not what LIHEAP wanted, but it is not a cut.

Don't mislead people


49 posted on 11/20/2005 7:19:15 AM PST by KCRW
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To: maica

No problem- Kennedy wasn't mentioned until later in the article.


50 posted on 11/20/2005 7:20:10 AM PST by KCRW
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