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SIX IN CUSTODY OVER POLICEWOMAN'S MURDER (UK)
Telegraph (London) ^ | 11/20/2005 | Staff

Posted on 11/20/2005 6:03:43 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

Police are continuing to question five men and a woman about the murder of rookie woman police officer Sharon Beshenivsky , who was gunned down by armed raiders.

Pc Sharon Beshenivsky: Police said the gunman had not hesitated to open fire on the unarmed officers

Pc Beshenivsky, 38, who had three children and two stepchildren, was killed on her youngest daughter Lydia's fourth birthday as she arrived at the raid in a travel agent's shop in Bradford, West Yorkshire, on Friday.

The former childminder had been a community police officer for two years before joining the full-time West Yorkshire force just nine months ago.

Although she was wearing body armour, she died after being shot in the chest.

Her husband Paul, a landscape gardener, and her family were "completely devastated by the loss", said West Yorkshire Police Chief Constable Colin Cramphorn.

Pc Beshenivsky's parents last night told of their grief and anger over the murder of their daughter.

Her father, Billy Jagger, told the News of the World: "She was and always will be a one-in-a-million daddy's girl. And I'm dying inside thinking of life without her.

"She was only trying to do a job and now her life has been taken away. Every time I think of my grandchildren being robbed of their mum it rips my heart in two."

As well as daughter Lydia, Pc Beshenivsky and her husband had a seven-year-old son, also called Paul. She also had a 12-year-old son named Samuel from her previous marriage and was a stepmother to her husband's two children from his previous marriage, Emma, 13, and Joshua, 10.

The arrests came as police made separate swoops in London 200 miles from the scene of the murder following a nationwide appeal for help in tracing the three men armed with guns and a knife who raided the travel agents and stole cash.

Scotland Yard said three men were arrested at 12.15pm yesterday in London. Earlier, police detained a man and a woman in the capital at 7.20am. A sixth person - a man - was arrested in London last night. Five have since been taken to Yorkshire for questioning.

The latest killing of a British police officer led to renewed questions over whether police should be routinely armed.

But this was rejected by Home Office minister Hazel Blears, who said: "It is important that the police have a very close relationship with the public and for them to routinely carry guns might put that relationship at risk."

Pc Beshenivsky had arrived at the scene of the raid with a colleague, Pc Teresa Milburn, who was shot in the shoulder.

Pc Milburn, 37, who joined the force on April 5 last year, remains under armed police guard in hospital.

'Bring back death penalty' (Filed: 20/11/2005)

The former head of the Metropolitan Police has called for the death penalty to be reinstated for police killers following the murder of rookie officer Sharon Beshenivsky.

Lord Stevens: changed mind Lord Stevens says the killer of Pc Beshenivsky should lose his life as a punishment despite having always opposed capital punishment.

Writing in today's News of the World newspaper, the former Scotland Yard commissioner said: "All my life I've been against the death penalty. But after the cold-blooded murder of policewoman Sharon Beshenivsky, I've changed my mind.

"I genuinely never thought I'd say this, but I am now convinced that the monster who executed this young woman in cold blood should, in turn, be killed as punishment for his crime.

He goes on: "For the first time in my life, despite 40 years at the sharp end of policing, I finally see no alternative. Such an extreme act of pure evil can only be met by the most extreme of responses - and that can only be death.

He adds that if the death penalty is not imposed then "wrong really has finally totally triumphed over right, and all civilised society, all we hold dear, is the loser".

Lord Stevens headed the Metropolitan Police from 2000 until January this year. He was credited with turning the force's fortunes around following the Macpherson Report which branded it "institutionally racist".

But he sparked controversy in September by attacking David Blunkett in his memoirs. He claimed the former home secretary knew little about policing when he took up the post and leaked damaging stories about him to the press.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; gunfreeparadise; murder; policewoman
She was murdered on her daughter's birthday.

Brits need to keep clamoring for the death penalty for killers while speaking up for laws protecting those who are forced to use measures of self-defense.

Give their guns back to law-abiding British!

1 posted on 11/20/2005 6:03:44 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

Nothing about the killers..curious, eh?


2 posted on 11/20/2005 6:07:57 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050

Caught my eye too...and the raid was on a travel agency...can you say terrorist support front/money laundry?


3 posted on 11/20/2005 6:12:09 AM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: FerdieMurphy
had not hesitated to open fire on the unarmed officers

I think I've found the problem.

4 posted on 11/20/2005 6:25:54 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: ken5050

Here's a description of the perps from a previous story on the shooting:
"Police said that the first robber was Asian, aged 25 to 30, of medium to stocky build with short black hair and a beard, and was 5ft 8in to 5ft 10in tall. The second was black, aged 20 to 30, slim and 6ft tall. He was wearing dark, smart clothing. The third man was black and aged 20 to 30."


5 posted on 11/20/2005 6:29:39 AM PST by zaxxon
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To: zaxxon

Muslims


6 posted on 11/20/2005 6:41:12 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (I do what the voices in lazamataz's head tell me to)
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To: FerdieMurphy
I can't help but recall where Sherlock Holmes would routinely tell Dr. Watson, who was retired from the army, to bring his service revolver with him.

Today, Dr. Watson would be thrown in the pokey if he even thought about it.

Sherlock was prone to target practive in his apartment with what was apparently BB caps. Oh the horror if someone did that now.

7 posted on 11/20/2005 6:45:26 AM PST by yarddog
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To: FerdieMurphy

Seems pretty strange I read the story twice and couldnt figure why they placed two female rookies together. Isnt 38 and 37 a little old to be rookies?


8 posted on 11/20/2005 7:30:58 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: SauronOfMordor

Absolutely. This is 1984 journalism. No doubt these people killed her because they don't think females have any authority.


9 posted on 11/20/2005 7:32:01 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: FerdieMurphy
The latest killing of a British police officer led to renewed questions over whether police should be routinely armed

Duh

10 posted on 11/20/2005 7:36:10 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: ken5050

"Nothing about the killers..curious, eh?"

Travel agency. Sounds like code to me.


11 posted on 11/20/2005 7:53:10 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: FerdieMurphy

This story cannot possibly be true. There are no guns in the UK, everybody knows that.


12 posted on 11/20/2005 7:53:43 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

Why on earth did the police raid a place unarmed? Defies logic. Betcha five pence they don't learn a thing from this tragic incident.


13 posted on 11/20/2005 7:57:07 AM PST by shezza (Giving thanks for America's heroes, past and present)
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To: shezza
If I'm not mistaken the regular British police don't carry guns. This, for me, dispells any notion of modern British intellectual superiority that I'm told some have.
14 posted on 11/20/2005 8:00:18 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

As Gen. Russell Honore says, some people are just stuck on stupid.


15 posted on 11/20/2005 8:01:59 AM PST by shezza (Giving thanks for America's heroes, past and present)
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To: ken5050

Two blacks, one Asian, pistol and baseball bats.

Two rookies answer the call, doesn't seem sensible.


16 posted on 11/20/2005 8:20:46 AM PST by 1066AD
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To: paul51

Look at The (leftist) Guardian's editorial:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0,6903,1646688,00.html

"We must leave no room for the creeping glorification of gun culture in this country."

So letting cops protect the public and themselves is "glorification" ? I can't fathom such a mindset and I grew up there !


17 posted on 11/20/2005 8:24:23 AM PST by 1066AD
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To: sgtbono2002
With taxes as high as they are in the UK these were two wives and mothers were trying to earn enough money for the evening family fry-up.

It's too damned bad they weren't armed and trained to blow criminals away.

The government is, of course, to blame.

18 posted on 11/20/2005 8:27:27 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"For the first time in my life, despite 40 years at the sharp end of policing, I finally see no alternative. Such an extreme act of pure evil can only be met by the most extreme of responses - and that can only be death.


Wow! Maybe someday they'll institute the death penalty for
civilian murders too!

/Sarc


19 posted on 11/20/2005 8:27:46 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ken5050
More than curious.

UK MSM complicit in that the names of the muslims wasn't revealed.

20 posted on 11/20/2005 8:28:26 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

mooselimbs


21 posted on 11/20/2005 8:29:05 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: 1066AD
"We must leave no room for the creeping glorification of gun culture in this country."

Socialist gutter rag dung designed to cause extreme cowering by the citizenry.

Britain is just going to have to overthrow their stupid government before it kills them.

22 posted on 11/20/2005 8:31:44 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: zaxxon
I knew these guys wouldn't be English, especially when the report didn't state who they were upfront.

Scotland Yard has discovered the joys of diversity, only the media have been doing a fabulous job of fooling the West into believing multiculturalism is beneficial. Many on this site have drunk that Kool-Aid as well.
23 posted on 11/20/2005 8:32:10 AM PST by HighFlier
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To: FerdieMurphy

This is what happens when liberals run the show. Unarmed law abiding citizens and police offcier are preyed upon by armed criminals and gangs. An armed society is a polite society.


24 posted on 11/20/2005 8:37:40 AM PST by Buffettfan
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To: Buffettfan

Amen, Buffet Fan.


25 posted on 11/20/2005 8:38:48 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: KC_Conspirator

"No doubt these people killed her because they don't think females have any authority."

Don't lose sight of the fact that, regardless of the perps attitude toward women or the police, they were ABLE to kill her because she had no way to defend herself. Which is complete insanity. Even if you don't want the cop on the beat armed (and Brit cops were traditionally unarmed), it makes NO SENSE to send unarmed officers after perps who are known to be armed. At least it seems it was known from the story.


26 posted on 11/20/2005 8:42:55 AM PST by jocon307
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To: sgtbono2002
Seems pretty strange I read the story twice and couldnt figure why they placed two female rookies together. Isnt 38 and 37 a little old to be rookies?

This is a good question. Analyzing it draws out the root of the problem. It's getting harder to find youngsters stupid enough to put on a police uniform and face an immigrant population that is politically protectected and doesn't give a damn about obeying firearm ban laws.I bet the promise of job security and pension benefits was attractive to the former daycare worker. She was too stupid to realize she is just grist for the mill.

27 posted on 11/20/2005 8:56:24 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"UK MSM complicit in that the names of the muslims wasn't revealed."

I doubt that the police have released their names yet, so it's nothing to do with the media. I'm sure they haven't released details of their religious affiliation, so I assume you're just guessing for some reason?


28 posted on 11/20/2005 9:23:45 AM PST by Canard
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To: somemoreequalthanothers

Call me old-fashioned, but I think criminals should have to contend with armed citizens, armed law enforcement, and the death penalty.


30 posted on 11/20/2005 11:20:41 AM PST by 04-Bravo
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To: 04-Bravo

Just as locks only keep out honest people, gun laws protect only criminals.


31 posted on 11/20/2005 11:32:37 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Sure seems to me like immigrant crime or Muslim crime. Note the "travel agency"


32 posted on 11/20/2005 11:36:42 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Travel agents in Bradford said Friday's attack was the latest in a string of armed robberies on similar businesses in the city that also transfer money overseas. The Universal Express travel agents, owned by a Muslim family, also runs a money transfer operation, allowing Pakistanis and British-born Muslims in Bradford to send money back to family members in Pakistan. A Bradford travel agent, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Universal Express would have been targeted for its supply of cash.

The firm, owned and run by Mohammed Yousaf, who is in his fifties, and his son Aqeel, operated such a facility and would have had thousands in the safe at the time of the raid, the travel agent said. "There could have been as much as £40,000 in the shop at that time on a Friday. They bank the cash every night but the turnover is very high, making these exchanges obvious targets

The killers were robbing immigrant (Muslim?) run "travel agencies". The killers have to be Muslim or other immigrants. Brits don't do these crimes

33 posted on 11/20/2005 11:42:25 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw

"The killers have to be Muslim or other immigrants. Brits don't do these crimes"

The people currently in custody are Somalian, for the record. Although I've no idea what your logic behind the 'Brits don't do these crimes' statement. I assure you they do.


34 posted on 11/21/2005 9:54:37 AM PST by Canard
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To: FerdieMurphy
"All my life I've been against the death penalty. But after the cold-blooded murder of policewoman Sharon Beshenivsky, I've changed my mind.

Typical elitist trash. It's ok if the peons get killed, but not an officer huh?

35 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:06 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Canard

Brits don't invade immigrant owned travel agencies which are also money transfer agencies and shoot police women. You couldn't be more wrong


36 posted on 11/21/2005 10:04:19 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw

I once worked in an 'immigrant owned' business that was robbed by armed men who were distinctly white and cockney-accented. Wasn't a travel agency though, so I'll give you that.


37 posted on 11/21/2005 10:08:04 AM PST by Canard
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To: Sir Gawain
Typical elitist trash. It's ok if the peons get killed, but not an officer huh?

Hey, at least the guy changed his mind. A true elitist never lets reality intrude.

P.S. Love your namesake, Sir Gawain...

38 posted on 11/21/2005 10:09:06 AM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: Canard

I'll concede on the immigrant owned part. Perhaps you were working for a legitimate business?

It seems that many immigrant businesses here (USA) are victims of immigrant gangs. Not white gangs. Who better than a Muslim to know when a semi-sleazy Muslim owned travel agency/money transfer service has a lot of cash around? Though Jamaicans seem good bet too. Jamaicans transfer money abroad too and might be patrons


39 posted on 11/21/2005 10:14:33 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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