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Biden: Chance of filibuster on Alito stronger
Reuters via Wired News ^ | 11/20/2005

Posted on 11/20/2005 10:16:45 AM PST by GeneD

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The chance of a filibuster to halt the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Samuel Alito rose on news he once opposed 1960s Supreme Court rulings on reapportionment based on the principle of equal voting rights, a top Democrat on the Senate judiciary panel said on Sunday.

Sen. Joseph Biden, a Democrat from Delaware, told Fox News Sunday that a decision by Democrats to filibuster would depend largely on Alito's answers during judiciary committee questioning scheduled for January.

Prior to the Warren court's decisions, some state legislators were elected on a geographical basis, giving thinly populated rural areas more political heft than urban centers.

"If he really believes that reapportionment is a questionable decision -- that is, the idea of Baker vs. Carr, one man, one vote -- then clearly, clearly, you'll find a lot of people, including me, willing to do whatever they can to keep him off the court. We don't know that. We have to hear it," Biden said. "That would include a filibuster if need be."

Asked if this increased the chances of a filibuster, Biden said: "Well, I think based upon that job application where he said he strongly held these views, yes."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: 109th; alito; alitoakbar; biden; bringiton; constitutionaloption; filibuster; obstructionistdems; scotus
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To: calrighty

Why, I remember when ol' Plugs, and sKerrry, and even Algore were just a bunch of yappy young pups back in the Reagan years. Dangerously ambitious young men to be sure, but braying hounds just like today.


101 posted on 11/20/2005 8:27:24 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (All Your Base Are belong To Us. Make Your Time.)
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To: PhiKapMom

<< GeneD
Senator Coburn said in a DVD he taped for our banquet since he was held up in D.C. for votes that there was no chance of a filibuster because they will not permit it for a Supreme Court nominee.

Biden is full of himself and trying to make hay with the left winged wacko's in his Party. >>

Biden is full of himself and IS the [Unhinged] left winged wacko in his Party.

Well ....

Except for all of the others.


102 posted on 11/20/2005 8:27:39 PM PST by Brian Allen (Patriotic, Immigrant & therefore Hyphenated-AMERICAN-American & Aviator by choice. Christian byGrace)
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To: Flavius Josephus

He heeeeeeee! They grew older, and learned NOTHING!


103 posted on 11/20/2005 8:33:03 PM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: eleni121
The first fact that they need to remember is that they lost the last election so they do not get to chose who is selected to serve on the Supreme Court.
The second thing they really should remember is what happened to one of their own when the voting populace isolated him as an obstructionist. Old what's his name from one of the Dakota's. You know, the has been who tried to mess up our Senate. That leads to the third thing. It is still the peoples Senate, it does not belong to Teddy, (the man who car can't float) or any of the rest of them no matter how much they whine. I hope you wake up every morning with the vivid memory of the conservative Supreme Court and the fact that they will be making conservative decisions for the next twenty years. I hope your last thought every night is that our country will be shaped by these decisions for the next 100 years.
104 posted on 11/20/2005 8:35:51 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Forest Keeper
That's the thing; he's not against equal apportionment. He's against the judiciary getting into the issue. District lines can be drawn by courts, or they can be drawn by legislatures. The Warren Court wanted the lines drawn by the courts; Alito disagrees and wants the lines drawn by the legislatures.

Biden is interpreting that to mean that Alito is against voter districts containing roughly the same number of people, because he (and the Warren court) thought that only courts are enlightened and fair-minded enough to actually do that.

105 posted on 11/20/2005 8:40:57 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: oldenuff2no

I hope your last thought every night is that our country will be shaped by these decisions for the next 100 years.

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

It's a beautiful thought. Question is will the "soft" Republicans unite behind their leader's choice?


106 posted on 11/20/2005 8:59:07 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: GeneD

Hmmmm.....what is this one person on vote insanity?

Presidential electoral college and US senate are fundamentally opposite of such a concept.


109 posted on 11/20/2005 9:31:08 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: The Electrician

What you outline is proof that the founders did not intend that both houses of Congress operate under principles of proportional representation.

Why would the founders have required something of the states that they didn't require of the federal government, especially since the federal government is the creation of the states, not vice versa?

States should be allowed to have their Senates built along historical and geographical lines -- not along strictly population lines. It is a travesty that they were required to do something where the Constitution embodies precisely the opposite principle.

The Warren Court was flat-out wrong on this, and it is a decision that should have been overturned long ago.

One would like to think that Alito would have the balls to stand behind his earlier opinion, but he will doubtless be given the instructions to "dance", just as he has on abortion.


110 posted on 11/20/2005 9:36:58 PM PST by Agrarian
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To: Agrarian

Pure infringement on states rights. He should be lauded for calling it right. Not filibustered.

I hope he explains his position clearly and makes a strong case for why he is right.


111 posted on 11/20/2005 9:41:58 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: The Electrician

See #109. The same logic applies to electoral college.

What a bunch of dummy heads these DEMs are? The fact that they need to be constantly reminded of basic constitutional structure is proof that they dont' deserve to hold any power ever.


112 posted on 11/20/2005 9:45:01 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: GeneD

Go ahead, Biden. MAKE OUR DAY!!


113 posted on 11/20/2005 9:54:03 PM PST by GeorgeW23225 ("Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal")
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To: Candor7
Poor Joey Biden. Just another aging democRAT who is stuck on stupid!!
114 posted on 11/20/2005 9:56:22 PM PST by GeorgeW23225 ("Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal")
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To: GeneD

Bring it on. Nothing could be worse for the Democrats than to filibuster a Supreme Court nomination.


115 posted on 11/20/2005 9:57:16 PM PST by thoughtomator (Hindsight is 20/20, or in the case of Democrats, totally blind)
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To: Agrarian; Jim Robinson; Carry_Okie; dalereed; ElkGroveDan; tubebender; NormsRevenge
"The Warren Court was flat-out wrong on this, and it is a decision that should have been overturned long ago."

Absolutely! I was thrilled today to hear Biden bichin about Alito's stand on the infamous "Cow don't vote" decision that over shifted both houses of each state legislature to overly represent metro-sexuals and under represent rural-sexuals!

This bad decision that has skewed the balance between people and places has been one of my most passionate causes. If it were to be revisited and overturned, Prop 77 in CA's special election would probably have not been needed at all!

But I fear you are right about the "dancing" orders. Maybe he could just nuance the whole thing like John Kerry... Oh no! Perish the thought!!!

116 posted on 11/20/2005 10:06:34 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: oldenuff2no; Dog Gone; Ernest_at_the_Beach; sergeantdave; BOBTHENAILER

I think it was Joel Klien on Chris Matthews syndicated show today that declared that Alito will be confirmed no matter what and that if Dems didn't like it, they needed to start winning more elections for a change!!!


117 posted on 11/20/2005 10:11:19 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: alloysteel

"When the hearings on Samuel Alito were postponed until January, it was almost certain the only purpose for postponement was to find fodder for the confirmation opponents to use against him."

Exactly, big mistake.


118 posted on 11/20/2005 10:11:45 PM PST by headstamp
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To: The Electrician; Carry_Okie
The entire time I've been on FR, even as a lurker back to 1998, I have longed for more discussion and activism toward getting the "Cows don't vote" decision revisited and possibly over turned.

It's getting late so I'll just bookmark this thread and get back to you sometime soon with some more analogies and examples of the desperately destructive effect this has had on property rights of rural America in particular.

That, however, is not the only thing that has been terribly crippled and thrown out of balance in our exceptional World Super-Power Superior Republic with it's currently mangled democratic process!!!

119 posted on 11/20/2005 10:24:20 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: GeneD

He is as full of it as the rats in the house were before the vote on pulling out of Iraq was forced on them.

Biden is incapable to telling the truth and writing something that is his own instead of stealing it.


120 posted on 11/20/2005 11:56:31 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Watch the rats re Iraq in 1998: http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/111505.wmv)
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To: Gordongekko909
Thank you for shedding some - much needed - light and sanity into this. If this is as you say, Biden is grasping straws, but is there something we can point to and say "see, it's all right here", a case, or other writing that makes his view known?

Thanks.

121 posted on 11/21/2005 12:38:52 AM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: Forest Keeper

Meant to address #105 to you too.


122 posted on 11/21/2005 12:41:02 AM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: Forest Keeper

Darn, I meant #121


123 posted on 11/21/2005 12:41:46 AM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: GeneD
Hey, I kinda like Joe Biden. After all, he is known for getting GWB widely quoted saying, "I don't do nuance."

Like nuance is a useful thing in this world of grownups, in the 21st century.

124 posted on 11/21/2005 12:51:46 AM PST by Watery Tart (The Clinton years were the heyday of nuance abuse. --Ned Rice, NRO)
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To: SierraWasp; the anti-liberal; Gordongekko909
Absolutely! I was thrilled today to hear Biden bichin about Alito's stand on the infamous "Cow don't vote" decision that over shifted both houses of each state legislature to overly represent metro-sexuals and under represent rural-sexuals!

I would like to ask you for some more information on the "Cow don't vote" decision, starting with, what is it? :) I heard Biden's comments on Alito's stand on reapportionment and I wanted to get informed as to what that stand was. I think I have gathered so far (from Gordongekko909) that Alito thinks the lesser of two evils is letting state legislatures draw district lines as opposed to courts, and that it is Constitutionally sound to allow state legislatures to do so.

With the looming political fight, I just want to be able to explain to others what Alito's views are on issues and why. I know about the issue of reapportionment, but I don't know how to explain Alito's view of it to others with proof. This "cow" thing sounded promising so I thought I'd ask. :) Thanks.

125 posted on 11/21/2005 1:27:21 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: calrighty

Sen. Joseph Biden is disgusting. I can't think of a single good quality he has.


126 posted on 11/21/2005 4:12:51 AM PST by GBA (I believe Congressman Weldon! MSM do your job.)
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To: Gordongekko909

It would be good for the country to have this whole idea of one-man, one-vote rehashed in the Senate. It has always been an incomplete idea, because without a flat tax, one man one vote is a license for democracies to redistribute wealth. The poor will always outnumber the rich, but they both have equal property rights. It should be one man, one vote, one tax. If we have flat representation, i.e. one man one vote, we should have flat taxation, not progressive taxation.

The 16th Amendment/nightmare actually says "...and without regard to any census or enumeration". I can't believe what has been done to our Constitution. We have progressive taxation, with flat representation.


127 posted on 11/21/2005 5:14:43 AM PST by H.Akston (It's all about property rights)
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To: GeneD

Yeah, right.

If Pryor, both Nelsons etc.. say this it will be ON. Biden is full of hot air and his comments don't mean a damn thing. Completely irrelevant.


128 posted on 11/21/2005 5:30:51 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: GeneD

that pos is judging people? another kennedy clone


129 posted on 11/21/2005 5:31:52 AM PST by fatteddy (teddy Kennedy............i should be in jail for what i did)
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To: Minuteman23
If the Dems filibuster Alito, the Repubs will have another chance to show that they have a pair. If they don't, the public will soon forget the brilliance they showed this week in the Iraq vote.

Well, yes, except it was the House Republicans that showed that brilliance. Part of the reason the House called a vote was to clean up the mess the Senate Republicans made their Dem lite resolution earlier in the week.

By my count House Republicans by defending the WOT, our troops, President...bought their re-elections. The Senate Republicans are still in the hole.

130 posted on 11/21/2005 5:34:48 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: GeneD

The dems have to come up with something nasty, and Alito's high on the list.


131 posted on 11/21/2005 5:48:54 AM PST by hershey
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To: GBA

That is because he doesn't have any positive attributes : )


132 posted on 11/21/2005 5:55:18 AM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: GeneD

Dear Senator Biden:

Bring... It... On!!!


133 posted on 11/21/2005 6:04:40 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: SierraWasp

More precisely, the Warren Court was at least half-wrong.

Leaving aside the question of whether the US Supreme Court should be ruling on the internal affairs of states at all, at the very least, only the lower legislative body should have been affected by these decisions.

To make both bodies subject to proportional representation renders the entire idea of a bicameral legislature meaningless. The upper chamber of a bicameral system has always been non-representative, whether it be the old Roman Senate, the House of Lords in England, or the Senate in Canada.

We should go back to having state legislatures choose US Senators but that is another issues...


134 posted on 11/21/2005 6:17:39 AM PST by Agrarian
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To: TNCMAXQ

I just don't believe in term limits. I want the freedom to vote for the person who I want in office. If that person happens to be a person who has held that office awhile and has proven him/her self, then I don't want a law forbidding me to vote for them. I also think that who holds power would shift. I personally think that unelected, behind-the-scenes people who can spend their entire lives in DC would gain more power. They are often unseen and we can't vote them out. Regular elections are the best term limits that I know--ones decided by the voters.


135 posted on 11/21/2005 6:47:56 AM PST by twigs
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To: calrighty

how dare you call this narcissistic blowhard a whore and a liar?


136 posted on 11/21/2005 7:01:48 AM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: InsureAmerica

Hey thanks. I forgot to mention the narcissism!


137 posted on 11/21/2005 7:06:31 AM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: GeneD
Chance of filibuster on Alito stronger

Well then impeach Stevens and Ginsberg and we will call it even.

When, for God's sakes, when will Bush and the Admin and the GOP Congressmen realize that the RATs are waging a war against the GOP for opportunistic purposes, and they don't give a damn about the future of our nation. I have had enough of Bush saying Murtha is great, Kennedy is a fine Senator, and other BS like that. Mexico invades our nation and Bush does nothing. Iran builds IEDs and kill our troops and Bush does nothing. Syria funnels thugs into Iraq to kill our troops and Bush does nothing. The RATs wage war against the GOP and Bush does nothing. The GOP at large does nothing.

To say there is no spine in the GOP is a gross understatement.

138 posted on 11/21/2005 7:26:41 AM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Agrarian; Carry_Okie; calcowgirl
Snoop around this old thread for starters

I'm a little pressed for time today and I hate that because this is my favorite subject. I left the "s" off of what should have read "Cows Don't Vote" and made it harder to understand the imfamous old phrase the Warren Court used to blastpheme the US Constitution and desecrate it!

Another way to put it that is even more dramatic and bizzare is... Try to imagine the upper house of the US legislature with only one representative for 8, or 9 western states!!!

139 posted on 11/21/2005 7:42:47 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: TNCMAXQ

"Maybe we need an AGE limit for members of Congress too. How old is Biden, 63? Not too old but he first got elected in 1972. He and too many others believe they should hold these seats for life. Many members are in their 70s and 80s."

No, what we need is a Constitutional Amendment that limits House and Senate terms to two. That is the only way to fix Washington.


140 posted on 11/21/2005 7:53:36 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: GeneD
Kinsman Redeemer: Chance of Biden not being re-elected stronger
141 posted on 11/21/2005 8:55:03 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: GeneD

The Dumbest Man In The US Senate, per the great one, proves again earns his nickname. What a moron!


142 posted on 11/21/2005 9:00:14 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Liberalism is the disease of the stupid - The Great One)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
How old is Biden, 63? Not too old but he first got elected in 1972.

Interesting to note that when he was first elected, he was Constitutionally unfit to hold office. He did remedy the situation, however, a couple of weeks later.

143 posted on 11/21/2005 9:12:18 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: the anti-liberal
Check Baker v. Carr. Just look at what was at issue in the case: not one man one vote per se, but merely where that issue gets decided.
144 posted on 11/21/2005 10:55:23 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: the anti-liberal
**PING** to #139.

Skip the article and click on the posted cow link. (If I only had a nickel for every time I've said those words...)

145 posted on 11/21/2005 10:58:12 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: PhiKapMom

Yep, Biden is a loser, in the mold of a Kennedy or Schumer.


146 posted on 11/21/2005 11:01:19 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Forest Keeper

Hey! Tell 'em to look at the last link in Reply #8 at the end of that ancient thread for vast amounts of top quality "Find Law" information!!! (in addition to the "cow link")


147 posted on 11/21/2005 11:09:32 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Gordongekko909; Forest Keeper
Ping to #144.

I should be writing a speech right now, so I'll be looking at this later myself.

148 posted on 11/21/2005 11:24:57 AM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: SierraWasp
Thank you very much for the link, I learned a lot. In a bicameral state system, I wonder if Alito would only object to the reapportionment rule application to the senate side, or would he object to the courts getting involved at all. I admit that I'm not sure there wouldn't be a legitimate equal protection argument as to the state assembly/"House" side. What is your view?
149 posted on 11/21/2005 11:27:22 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: SierraWasp
Hey! Tell 'em to look at the last link in Reply #8

Agreed. A long read, but well worth it. My problem is that somehow I managed to miss the cow quote. DANG!

150 posted on 11/21/2005 11:38:00 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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