Posted on 11/20/2005 2:50:44 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
Jim Leach of Iowa and Chuck Bass of New Hampshire (2 RINOs who, I believe, voted to keep us dependent on Middle East oil by voting against ANWR) are on right now discussing what the future of the Republican party is and/or should be.
Typical comment by Leach: He just said he is concerned when (paraphrase here) "one part of one party" is in charge of the budget.
Praise for the "moderate Republicans" all around.
If any of Bass's and Leach's constituents are able to get hold of these lamebrains, please do so.
Political junkies who like to listen to these clowns, listen in...you'll see a lot of fawning about "compromise". Enough to make ya sick.
More griping from "The Hill" reporter asking the questions about the "reported delayed Katrina response". Jim Leach says the response was an embarassment...FEMA is fine for small disasters, he says, but not for big ones...Leach is a joke.
The MSM whose line CSPN follows has been hyping Leach for decades. It means nothing.
To hell with those traitors. It's time they either got in line with the message or got forced out.
I agree. And the extended problem with them doing a lot of interviews, is that the media outlets always have a contrasting opinion clip available when needed to make true conservatives look extreme.
The key is not forcing RINO's out of the GOP. There is room for them too, based on their support for fiscal conservatism. The point really is we need more social conservatives being active in the Republican party, and we need to lead from within each precinct, county and state.
If we envision the best scenario, Democrats would be gone as a criminal enterprise, and Republicans split into two parties along the obvious lines. At least then we'd all be on the same page for supporting American values, religion, capitalism, a market economy and those thing most important to us.
Why don't you take a good long hard look at the 14 Soros-funded RINOs and tell me how they have a place in the party.
There are precious few GOPers in the Congress who are not Rinos.
There's a great Marine on CSPAN2.. I'll continue watching him and follow the thread... I changed the channel briefly.. can't even look at Leach without feeling sick
For every RINO you can quote in the press I know many RINO's who mostly support Republican candidates and issues when it's needed. I agree it's not easy and I would agree they sometimes win a vote, but in balance I'd rather have them as registered Republicans where we have the chance to persuade them than Democrats following that party line.
Name them.
All.
Exactly. Why watch something you don't enjoy? Check C-SPAN2 BookTV.
I agree that theoretically more raw numbers are better.
But the problem is that the press has been hyping these guys and the Dems have been exploiting the pathetic RINO desire to be loved by Dems. This is demoralizing Republicans who are serious about the party's positions, and it's also royally PO'ing GOP voters and making them think it's not worth voting for Republicans. Which was probably the intention of the press et al in the first place...
*ding-ding-ding* Right on the money! Another great example of how they serve the Democrat Party more than the Republican Party.
Well, with the three lines for call-ins, they're at least 2 to 1 favoring the leftist vent.
All the more reason to purge them like the metastatic cancer they are.
Jack Murtha supports drilling ANWR.
I saw THIS THREAD the other day and figured it was a satire piece. Here's a quote:
"I think that obviously, with the party’s fortunes down, with the message clearly that most Americans would rather see a more moderate form of leadership in the country right now, then it’s time to govern from the middle.” - - Rep. Charles Bass(R)
Good grief! Bass and the rest of his scumbag ilk MUST be challenged in their next primaries. It's almost preferrable to have Democrats in there - - at least those scumbags are with the party of scumbags!
Good
Naming would not help one bit and not valid for my point. I was talking about local RINO's on a precinct to state level in CO. If you are as involved as I am I'll be happy to exchange information but I suspect you are generalizing.
Moving on, there ARE RINO's on the national level who vote with us on issues that are not considered defining issues. These RINO's help us keep control in GOP hands for now. Remember too, the majority party controls the agenda.
IF we were to make these people leave the party, could you claim the party controls anything? Probably not. Worse, if we behave like the Democrats are behaving now by stopping contrary opinions, we can kiss our majority goodbye. IF you want an impeachment of President Bush, make RINO's leave the party. Because, that's what their goal is and that's what's going to happen.
This may not be important to you but in CO we changed from Republican to Democrat control last year. Trust me, you don't what this.
Sure...backing up your claim doesn't help your point at all.
Go waste your own time.
Look. I agree with everything you said. The solution is to influence and educate voters, and grow the Republican party with people who believe the same way you do. So, do that! Get involved regardless of the obstacals.
To explain further. I had to defeat the RINO's in my own district to be elected to lead my CO district. You can do this too if you have the time and desire to get involved.
Stop being a jerk and understand the situation.
Are you involved locally? If not, you're just another wanna be complaing and not serious about meking a real difference.
Agreed. I send messages to Snow and others to start making our side more visible. Don't know if it helps, but it can't hurt.
Stop being an idiot and making claims you won't (or can't) back up.
I am involved locally, but it's a Dem county and we have zero chance of electing a Republican to anything. However, our work did pay off and on a national level, voters for Bush really soared in the last election.
My point was that the RINOs are unfortunately very prone to being sweet-talked by the Dems. I think that unless they feel a little Republican wrath to counterbalance it, they're going to go right on over to the dark side, and it doesn't matter what letter is after their name, because they'll vote with the Dems.
Part of the problem is that the GOP has lousy party discipline. The Dems are much better on making their guys vote the party line. I think this is attributable partly to the fact that Republicans are a little more individualistic, and partly to the fact that we are lacking in leadership. The Dems have been very effective at KOing any effective leader that we get - such as Newt Gingrich, in his day - because they resort to dirty tricks that for some reason we feel powerless to oppose. That's what they're trying to do to DeLay, although he is fighting back much more effectively than any of the prior targeted leaders did.
You continue to misread and jump to conclusions.
Good for you!!! We have the same problem in Denver. Statewide most people are Republican and conservative, but we managed to lose the state legislature. We win as long as we can appeal to enough voters regardless of party.
Yes, I agree with you on working on your RINO's. This goal is achievable as long as they still say they are Republicans. It would be much worse if they switch to being Democrats and you could not talk to them or have the opportunity to persuade them. I would never claim it's easy. Who would you rather argue with, a Republican who disagrees with you or a Democrat who is radically insane? (Exageration on my part, but I hope understood.)
NEXT!
Leach has been threatening to retire for years, and he never does. Leach's 'Rat predecessor (whom he defeated in 1976) is none other than Ed Mezvinsky (who later carpetbagged it over to PA where he is now serving a stiff prison sentence for embezzling from his clients), so you can see as bad as Leach is, he was far better than the alternative.
Stuck in Alachua, are you ?
He was in fine company.
How'd you guess? Actually, I'm in the process of moving to St. John's County, and judging by the bumper stickers here, I'm in much better company!
Being that Gainesville is the Berkeley of Florida, it wasn't too hard a guess. ;-) Alas, before we can take back these counties from the dark side, we have to take back these universities that serve as training grounds for anti-American hate.
And for cryin' out loud, quit moaning that I'm not taking you seriously.
Considering Iowa City and Cedar Rapids are in the district, it's a wonder we have Leach and not a Harkin clone.
Well, I know Iowa City is fruitcake central in the Hawkeye State, but Cedar Rapids is a GOP-leaning city. Ignoring its previous RINO Mayor, Lee Clancey, who had the audacity to endorse Traitor John (Kerry, not McCain) for President, former Secretary of State Paul Danny Pate now leads it (and as far as I know, he's Conservative). I would presume if Leach's seat opens up, we might be able to get Pate in there (assuming I have the lines straight).
Would that district elect a conservative?
Anything is possible, though hard to gauge precisely. Prior to Leach & Mezvinsky, the seat sent Fred Schwengel, but Schwengel was also a liberal RINO and he had a very tenuous hold on the seat between 1955-1973 (losing it to another ultraliberal 'Rat College Professor John Schmidhauser in '64 and barely fending off Mezvinsky in 1970 before ultimately losing it in a Republican year in '72). Roger Stanley tried challenging Schwengel in the GOP primary in the early '70s (when he was "THE" Conservative Republican in Iowa), but came up a bit short. If Stanley had won and prevailed in the general, it would've been a better gauge. Of course, the district has been rejiggered quite a bit since then, but I would think even a slightly-'Rat leaning district at the Presidential level (let us not forget IA votes very strange in contrast to statewide) might present a mainstream Republican with an opportunity.
I wish it were true, but C.R. votes Democrat. Linn's a blue county.
Yes, former conservative Republican Sec'y of State Paul Pate is our (lame duck) mayor but, thanks to local sentiment running against him, 'we' decided to throw out the baby with the bath water this year when 'we' voted to change the form of city government from commission to council-manager.
Then, to top it off, the newly-elected mayor is former Dem state legislator Kay Halloran.
C.R. has its Republican pockets (my precinct is one). But, by and large, it's been a Democrat town for all the 20+ years I've been living here. I suspect the only reasons we've been able to elect any so-called Republicans to city government are that C.R. city elections happen in odd years and are non-partisan. (Voters with room-temperature IQs tend to stay home.)
While Iowa's rural areas are red, her larger cities are blue. When Leach retires, C.R. will go to the Dem.
"I would presume if Leach's seat opens up, we might be able to get Pate in there (assuming I have the lines straight)."
Thanks for giving me a bit more info on Cedar Rapids. Given by what small amount of research I've done, it looked like CR was a bit more sane than Des Moines, apparently that isn't the case. :-(
I would think Pate might be the man to squeeze out that extra 5%. It's hard to believe a seat within the confines of Iowa (based on its racial demographics, at the minimum) would prefer someone who leans to Pelosi over the more neighborly Denny Hastert. Must be something in the corn.
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