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Camden, N.J., Ranked Most-Dangerous City [Keeps Title]
AP via TBO ^ | November 20, 2005 | GEOFF MULVIHILL

Posted on 11/20/2005 10:19:18 PM PST by ncountylee

CAMDEN, N.J. (AP) -- For the second year in a row, this destitute city has been named the nation's most dangerous, according to a company's annual ranking based on crime statistics.

Last year, the distinction seemed to hurt city boosters' feelings more than it harmed revitalization efforts. This time, city leaders are offended by the ranking, calling it unfair.

"We're doing so many nice things now. It's unfortunate that somebody always wants to bad-mouth Camden," Mayor Gwendolyn Faison said.

The city took the top spot last year from Detroit, which remained No. 2 in the most dangerous city rankings, to be released Monday by Morgan Quitno Press. The Lawrence, Kan.-based company publishes "City Crime Rankings," an annual reference book.

Camden, a former industrial city across the Delaware River from Philadelphia, is known for a history of corrupt politicians, drug-dealing and murders. It has been among the top 10 in the most dangerous city rankings in each of the eight years Morgan Quitno released them. By most measures, it is also among the nation's poorest

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: camden; crime; topten
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1 posted on 11/20/2005 10:19:18 PM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

Sorry New Jersey, but Camden earned the title - again.


2 posted on 11/20/2005 10:21:17 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

>>>For the second year in a row, this destitute city has been named the nation's most dangerous, according to a company's annual ranking based on crime statistics. <<<

What are you talking about? This is liberal welfare-state Heaven! Camden is also a great place for MOUT training for our soldiers preparing to deploy to Iraq. Better, let's leave our soldiers in Camden until they clean that mess up, and then send them to Iraq for R&R.


3 posted on 11/20/2005 10:23:37 PM PST by PhilipFreneau ("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. " - Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
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To: ncountylee

NYC is the 4th safest city in the country with 500,000 or more people. Unbelieveable.

It feels quite different too. That Safir guy is a genius.


4 posted on 11/20/2005 10:25:25 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: ncountylee

At least we've solved the new slogan for New Jersey problem.

"Come to New Jersey. You'd risk your life for it."


5 posted on 11/20/2005 10:27:10 PM PST by Tall_Texan (HOUSTON ASTROS - NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2005)
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To: ncountylee

I'm glad I caught this article, I was thinking of retiring in Camden.


6 posted on 11/20/2005 10:27:30 PM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: ncountylee

What is the trouble with this city, who gets hurt/killed and who does all the damage?


7 posted on 11/20/2005 10:27:32 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ncountylee

"Take that, East St. Louis!"


8 posted on 11/20/2005 10:28:23 PM PST by AmishDude (Mathematics -- better than science, harder than science, and always true. Always.)
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To: ncountylee

This one is just to easy:

"We're doing so many nice things now."

Low-cost combat insurance, discounted bullet proof vests and bodygaurds, and a free Vote Democrat ball cap.


9 posted on 11/20/2005 10:29:51 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: strategofr

Seems to me Washington D.C. would be way at top at number One. Not only does DC have a bunch a street crime but all those crooks in Congress pick my pocket every day of the week.


10 posted on 11/20/2005 10:30:02 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
I'm glad I caught this article, I was thinking of retiring in Camden.

ROFLMAO

11 posted on 11/20/2005 10:31:42 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

DC is a long-time former title holder, they accidentally got a more responsble administration after Barry's crack fiasco and crime went down for a while. They're always top 10, they'll probably be back unfortunately.


12 posted on 11/20/2005 10:33:03 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: wvobiwan
If they only counted the crimes committed by the Federal Government and Congress DC would win by a mile.
13 posted on 11/20/2005 10:34:36 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: strategofr
NYC is the 4th safest city in the country with 500,000 or more people. Unbelieveable.

NYC is incredibly safe these. The old cliches and jokes about New York and crime (which people still tell) simply don't apply any more and haven't for almost a decade. Here's to hoping it stays that way. I'm surprised the trend has continued this long. The rest of the country has flatlined or regressed on crime reduction. NYC's crime still keeps dropping every year. I'd be interested to see, at the end of this year, if it continues.

14 posted on 11/20/2005 10:38:08 PM PST by saquin
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

"If they only counted the crimes committed by the Federal Government and Congress DC would win by a mile."

It would be hard to count the Feds, they also tell us what the law is. Interesting little coincidence...


15 posted on 11/20/2005 10:39:07 PM PST by wvobiwan (It's OUR Net! If you don't like it keep your stanky routers off it!)
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To: ncountylee

How can Camden be dangerous? Campbell Soup is headquartered there.


16 posted on 11/20/2005 10:40:55 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (JOE WILSON IS A MUTHAFAKING LIAR)
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To: ncountylee
Camden was the scene of one of the first rampage murders in the country, September 6th, 1949. The perpetrator, who killed 13 people, is still alive
17 posted on 11/20/2005 10:41:04 PM PST by wideminded
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To: wvobiwan
Ironic Ain't it.


This weekend the Bums voted themselves a Pay Raise.

More money stolen out of you pocket.
18 posted on 11/20/2005 10:44:10 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
I'm glad I caught this article, I was thinking of retiring in Camden.

Yeah, it changes everything doesn't it and here my wife and I were planning on spending our second honeymoon in Camden.

19 posted on 11/20/2005 11:04:23 PM PST by elmer fudd
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How can Camden be dangerous? Campbell Soup is headquartered there.

"Waiter, there's a body in my soup"

20 posted on 11/20/2005 11:23:22 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Tall_Texan
At least we've solved the new slogan for New Jersey problem.

I prefer "New Jersey is Forever."

21 posted on 11/20/2005 11:28:06 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: ncountylee

A sink hole and been a sink hole since the 1940s, insofar as I understand. But they gave Candem the Battleship NJ and not Bayonne, so the heck with 'em I say.


22 posted on 11/20/2005 11:49:42 PM PST by jocon307
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To: ncountylee

I say we give Camden to Pennsylvania.


23 posted on 11/21/2005 12:16:04 AM PST by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: ncountylee

In Camden, a Mayor doesn't make their bones until they draw 10-long from the state.


24 posted on 11/21/2005 12:33:56 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (*Fightin' the system like a $2 hooker on crack*)
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To: AmishDude
"Take that, East St. Louis!"

Now, Amish, I grew up 25 miles from the Eastside. The city has provided for several friends of mine to be able to retire at age 50 without ever having to venture out on patrol to rural St. Clair or Madison counties.

Sometimes, on Friday and Saturday nights, Highway 15 southbound looked like an ISP parade route.

25 posted on 11/21/2005 3:05:34 AM PST by woofer (I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.)
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To: Nipplemancer
I say we give Camden to Pennsylvania.

You've got that backwards. If we give Philadelphia to NJ, that will improve both states.

26 posted on 11/21/2005 3:10:28 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: strategofr
Howard Safir had nothing to do with it.
27 posted on 11/21/2005 3:12:17 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: ncountylee
Here's my favorite quote from the article:

Some residents say their neighborhoods feel a bit safer. "I haven't heard that many gunshots," said Gracy Muniz, 22, a mother of three who lives in North Camden.

28 posted on 11/21/2005 5:16:31 AM PST by Charles Henrickson ("Not that many"!)
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To: ncountylee; All
Here are more complete listings of the safest and most dangerous cities and metros:

RANKINGS BY POPULATION GROUP

29 posted on 11/21/2005 5:30:52 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Chicago city native now living in St. Louis County)
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To: woofer; AmishDude; SCALEMAN; CARDINALRULES
Hey, out of 208 cities in the 100,000 to 499,999 range, guess which one ranked as the most dangerous?

St. Louis!

WHOO-HOO! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!

IN YOUR FACE, FLINT!

30 posted on 11/21/2005 5:36:26 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Just outside St. Louis City, in St. Louis County)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Hey, out of 208 cities in the 100,000 to 499,999 range, guess which one ranked as the most dangerous? St. Louis! WHOO-HOO! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! IN YOUR FACE, FLINT!

Woo Hoo... add this to the STD stats and we are notorious.
Kudos St Louis.

Hey Detroit, you got some catchin up to do at #9. All you Detroit Freepers need to get out and commit a violent crime before the first of the year. You're slippin.

31 posted on 11/21/2005 6:52:28 AM PST by SCALEMAN (Pelosi is as empty as an Amish Phone Directory)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I wonder if that is where they hide the bodies....?


32 posted on 11/21/2005 6:55:44 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Tall_Texan
Actually, as a state, New Jersey does not appear in the top third of the list of the Most Dangerous States:

17 MOST DANGEROUS STATES:
1. Nevada
2. Louisiana
3. Arizona
4. Maryland
5. South Carolina
6. Florida
7. Tennessee
8. Alaska
9. New Mexico
10. California
11. Texas
12. Michigan
13. Georgia
14. Oklahoma
15. Delaware
16. Illinois
17. Mississippi

17 SAFEST STATES:
1. North Dakota
2. Vermont
3. Maine
4. New Hampshire
5. South Dakota
6. Wyoming
7. West Virginia
8. Iowa
9. Wisconsin
10. Idaho
11. Montana
12. Connecticut
13. Virginia
14. Kentucky
15. Minnesota
16. Nebraska
17. Utah

33 posted on 11/21/2005 7:29:46 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Missouri)
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To: ncountylee; PhilipFreneau; strategofr; Tall_Texan; Archie Bunker on steroids; A CA Guy; ...
I think the most significant list is the ranking of 330 metropolitan areas.

Here's an example why. St. Louis is the most dangerous city for its size (100,000-499,999). But it is not among the 25 most dangerous as a metro area. Since the 1950s, St. Louis City has lost about two-thirds of its population, while the population has increased dramatically in the suburbs, where now the majority of the metro lives. (Even as far as the city is concerned, 90% of the crime is concentrated in 45% of the city, and so many of the neighborhoods are quite safe.)

Most Dangerous 25 Metros:
1 Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI M.D.
2 New Orleans, LA
3 Memphis, TN-MS-AR
4 Sumter, SC
5 Miami-Dade County, FL M.D.
6 Stockton, CA
7 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV
8 Florence, SC
9 Hot Springs, AR
10 Myrtle Beach, SC
11 Pine Bluff, AR
12 Flint, MI
13 Saginaw, MI
14 Little Rock, AR
15 Tucson, AZ
16 Modesto, CA
17 Albuquerque, NM
18 Jackson, TN
19 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC
20 Baltimore-Towson, MD
21 Wichita Falls, TX
22 Houston, TX
23 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ
24 Tallahassee, FL
25 Los Angeles County, CA M.D.

Safest 25 Metros:
1 Logan, UT-ID
2 Fond du Lac, WI
3 Glens Falls, NY
4 Appleton, WI
5 Sheboygan, WI
6 Columbus, IN
7 La Crosse, WI-MN
8 Oshkosh-Neenah, WI
9 Bangor, ME
10 Bismarck, ND
11 Eau Claire, WI
12 State College, PA
13 Binghamton, NY
14 Wausau, WI
15 Fargo, ND-MN
16 Nassau-Suffolk, NY M.D.
17 Portland, ME
18 Rockingham County, NH M.D.
19 Edison, NJ M.D.
20 Williamsport, PA
21 Owensboro, KY
22 Elizabethtown, KY
23 Jefferson City, MO
24 Harrisonburg, VA
25 Rochester, MN

34 posted on 11/21/2005 8:08:54 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Just outside St. Louis City, in St. Louis County)
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To: strategofr

Is Manhattan now safe for crackers above 125th on the West Side or 96th on the east?

What about parts of South Bronx or Brooklyn?

I spent 8 years there and it was as dangerous in parts of the city as it was in East St Louis or Memphis or NOLA or Miami.

I bet the marginal areas have improved and the goblins don't wild as much in the gentry areas but the hardcore places are still not great.


35 posted on 11/21/2005 8:17:25 AM PST by wardaddy (Captain Spaulding .....the perfect dinner guest)
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To: ncountylee

Camden is the city of children having children. Most of the crimes are young drug dealers against young dealers or committed by children under the the age of twenty one . It always amazes me when the parents cry saying their child was a good child and they got shot on a drug corner. I am not sure of current statistics but at one point the majority of the city of Camden was under the age of 21. A recipe for disaster. On a good note they have cleaned the business district up a fair deal, on the other hand the busiest place there is the welfare assistance office and the courts.
To all those people that think religion and family values are for the extreme whack jobs.. Camden is the place for you!


36 posted on 11/21/2005 8:25:11 AM PST by NTW64
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To: ncountylee

Camden is a war zone.


37 posted on 11/21/2005 9:31:44 AM PST by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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To: Charles Henrickson

"Actually, as a state, New Jersey does not appear in the top third of the list of the Most Dangerous States:"

As a state, New Jersey is an extremely affluent place, something a lot of people don't realize. It is really quite beautiful, overall.


38 posted on 11/21/2005 9:55:19 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: Nipplemancer

"I say we give Camden to Pennsylvania"

NO WAY!

We already got Philly!


39 posted on 11/21/2005 9:56:27 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: Charles Henrickson

"my favorite quote from the article:"

LOL!

It's the one you don't hear, I guess, that you have to worry about. (Bullets travel faster than sound, don't they?)


40 posted on 11/21/2005 9:57:58 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: Charles Henrickson

"St. Louis!"

This was my biggest surprise on the list.


41 posted on 11/21/2005 9:59:30 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: wvobiwan


"Low-cost combat insurance, discounted bullet proof vests and bodygaurds, and a free Vote Democrat ball cap."

LOL!

Easy, but worth doing.


42 posted on 11/21/2005 10:00:22 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

"Howard Safir had nothing to do with it."

How do you figure?


43 posted on 11/21/2005 10:00:51 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: SCALEMAN
Hey Detroit, you got some catchin up to do at #9.

Hmmm...just heard on the radio this morning that Detoilet was #2, Flint was #4.

44 posted on 11/21/2005 10:00:59 AM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: Charles Henrickson

"Since the 1950s, St. Louis City has lost about two-thirds of its population, while the population has increased dramatically in the suburbs, where now the majority of the metro lives."

I'm impressed. Pittsburgh lost half its population during that period of time, and I thought that was bad.


45 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:48 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: strategofr
Howard Safir-like so many other Giuliani appointees-was nothing more than a political hack.

Granted, he wasn't the unmitigated disaster that radical, anti-police leftist media organs like the Voice liked to portray, but neither was he a model for emulation.

He was a semi-competent placeholder who presided over reforms that had already been devised by his predecessor-Commissioner Bratton-which were implemented in concert with Mayor Giuliani.

Compstat, the revival of the Street Crimes Unit, the embrace of James Q. Wilson's "Broken Windows" approach to securing the streets, and the gradual replacement of community policing with a more effective, efficient crime-fighting strategy...

These were all policies that had little to nothing to do with Mr. Safir, who was an utterly unremarkable factotum.

If you want to credit someone for the phenomenal decrease in violent crime in this city, then you should be giving the accolades to former Commissioner Bratton, John Timoney, former Mayor Giuliani, but most importantly, to the average NYPD officer who made it a priority to take back the streets, in spite of pitifully low wages and inhospitable working conditions in many precincts.

46 posted on 11/21/2005 10:20:55 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

" These were all policies that had little to nothing to do

with Mr. Safir, who was an utterly unremarkable factotum."

Couldn't disagree more.


47 posted on 11/21/2005 10:23:43 AM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: strategofr
Giuliani was great at many things, and in some areas-such as fighting crime, promoting educational choice as a viable political concept-could even be described as "visionary."

However, in many ways he was a throwback to the bad old days of Tammany Hall.

The appointment of so many unqualified political hacks-many of them extremely radical Democrats who worked against his administration's best interests-was maddening.

Iris Weinshell-Chuckie Schumer's wife-Fran Reiter, that flake who was his first TLC commissioner, and Russell Harding, the useless progeny of a politically and personally despicable creature.

His contemptible, infuriating, base association with the Liberal Party, and its chief malefactor, Ray Harding.

You mention the name "Harding" around my house and there is bound to be trouble.

Just the name itself drives me up a wall.

How the hell could Giuliani-regardless of his insatiable political ambitions-forge an alliance with that loathsome individual?

All I can say is, thank God for Tom Robbins.

Now perhaps Safir wasn't quite as abominable as some of the other men and women who staffed the Giuliani administration's lower depths, but that does not mean he was the reincarnation of TR either.

48 posted on 11/21/2005 10:42:49 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: woofer; Charles Henrickson

I was making a reference to the Comic Book Guy's reaction to Springfield climbing to number 299 on the list of America's 300 most livable cities. His response: "Take that, East St. Louis!"


49 posted on 11/21/2005 10:43:57 AM PST by AmishDude (Mathematics -- better than science, harder than science, and always true. Always.)
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To: Recovering Hermit
just heard on the radio this morning that Detoilet was #2. . . .

But Detroit is NUMBER ONE most dangerous for cities of 500,000 or more! And Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI M.D., is NUMBER ONE for metropolitan areas! So you Detroiters don't have to take a back seat to anyone!

Camden is number one only for cities under 100,000.

50 posted on 11/21/2005 10:52:04 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (St. Louis, which is #1 for cities in the 100,000-499,999 range.)
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