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Votes show differences between Burr, Dole
Charlotte Observer ^ | November 21, 2005 | Tim Funk

Posted on 11/21/2005 6:14:43 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina

Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina is emerging as one of the upper chamber's most conservative members.

The latest evidence: His three recent votes -- all to the right of fellow Republican Sen. Elizabeth Dole -- on issues such as Iraq and spending.

In each case, Burr of Winston-Salem joined a small band of the Senate's more conservative members, while Dole of Salisbury voted with the majority -- including the chamber's GOP leaders.

Consider:

• Last Tuesday, the Senate voted 79-19 to require that President Bush identify a strategy for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.

Burr voted no. Dole voted yes.

The resolution, drafted by Senate GOP leaders, did not call for a timetable. But it did require that the Bush administration file quarterly reports with Congress on its progress in stabilizing Iraq and training Iraqi troops. The measure also said that 2006 should be "a period of significant transition to Iraqi sovereignty," with Iraqi troops taking the lead in providing security.

The vote was widely interpreted as the Republican-dominated Senate's first direct challenge of the GOP president on Iraq.

Both N.C. senators voted against a separate resolution that would have required Bush to submit a timetable for withdrawal.

• On Nov. 10, the Senate demanded -- on an 82-9 vote -- that the Bush administration give Congress details on allegations that the CIA flew terrorism suspects to a series of secret prisons in other parts of the world.

Burr voted no. Dole voted yes.

The vote came after The Washington Post reported that the CIA had clandestine prisons for terror detainees in eight countries, including some in formerly communist Eastern Europe.

• On Oct. 20, the Senate rejected -- by a vote of 15-82 -- an amendment that would have shifted money to Hurricane Katrina recovery by taking it away from two bridge projects in Alaska and a museum parking lot in Nebraska.

Burr voted yes. Dole voted no.

The amendment was offered by freshman Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who argued that too many pork-barrel projects were getting federal money. His amendment would have rerouted $230 million slated to fund an Alaska bridge -- dubbed "the bridge to nowhere" by spending hawks because it would lead to an island that's home to only 50 people.

Veteran Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, angrily told his colleagues that he'd resign his seat if the bridge funding was dropped. Coburn's amendment failed, but GOP leaders announced last week that the money would no longer be earmarked for the bridge. Alaska will still get the money, but can spend it on other projects.

Who is more conservative among South Carolina's two Republican senators? That's a closer call.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., of Greenville, voted the same way Burr did on Iraq, the secret prisons and Coburn's pork amendment.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., of Seneca, voted with DeMint and Burr on Iraq and the Coburn amendment. But he voted with Dole to compel Bush to explain the CIA's secret prisons.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 109th; conservatives; elizabeth; elizabethdole; richardburr

1 posted on 11/21/2005 6:14:43 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina
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To: Alia

NC ping?


2 posted on 11/21/2005 6:16:47 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Dole has the nerve to mail me, begging for campaign donations.


3 posted on 11/21/2005 6:17:49 AM PST by boomop1
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To: Constitution Day; TaxRelief; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day OR TaxRelief OR Alia if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
4 posted on 11/21/2005 6:19:45 AM PST by Alia
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To: boomop1

I don't like Dole. She didn't live in our state for fifty years before running. A carpet bagger plain and simple. Burr is a good man however.


5 posted on 11/21/2005 6:21:28 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Alia

BTTT


6 posted on 11/21/2005 6:22:11 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: southernnorthcarolina

I wrote to Dole last week pointing out the big difference between her (our Senoir Senator) and our great Junior Senator and told her I certainly hope that Burr becomes our Senoir Senator by the next election.


7 posted on 11/21/2005 6:25:37 AM PST by jimbergin
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To: azhenfud
She heads up the NRSC, and they just gave Chafee $200,000 to battle a conservative Republican in the Primary. Can someone explain why we are giving ANY money to a man that publicly said he couldn't support Bush 43 in the general election, and also a man that is at odds with the Republican Party more than the demoncrat Party? He's a RINO that should be shunned. Better to lose the seat, and start from the ground up with a REAL Republican.
8 posted on 11/21/2005 6:28:23 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Careful, Lizzie.


9 posted on 11/21/2005 6:30:18 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

I'm not sure how the first two votes could be qualified as more "conservative." We seem to like playing fast and loose with that term these days. Supporting Bush does not necessarily make one a conservative. Supporting our activities in Iraq does not make someone a conservative either, it just means they are a hawk. There are plenty of liberal hawks.

However, the October 20 vote is classic Richard Burr. He is a strong fiscal conservative, even if he may not necessarily push a fractious or contentious agenda. To say that he is more conservative than liberal Liddy is a no-brainer.

Now that he has his footing in the Senate and has begun to differentiate himself from Dole, we'll probably see more openly conservative actions from Richard.


10 posted on 11/21/2005 6:30:33 AM PST by NCSteve
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To: southernnorthcarolina

"Alaska will still get the money, but can spend it on other projects."

So what was gained here??


11 posted on 11/21/2005 6:35:33 AM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Heh.

If I recall, Sen. Burr is actually a descendant of one of Aaron's brothers.


12 posted on 11/21/2005 6:37:40 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: southernnorthcarolina

How does she compare with the other women in the U.S. Senate?


13 posted on 11/21/2005 6:41:46 AM PST by newzjunkey (CA: Signature deadline coming! HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CalBorderPolice.com/)
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To: Constitution Day

Cool.


14 posted on 11/21/2005 6:43:33 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina; Fierce Allegiance
Heh.

When I saw the headline, I was thinking, "I know Bob Dole is OLD . . . but I didn't know he was THAT old!"


15 posted on 11/21/2005 6:43:58 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

And unfortunately, Dole is in charge of the Senatorial campaign committee, and is doing a pretty sucky job recruiting good candidates to oust these worthless democrats.


16 posted on 11/21/2005 6:50:09 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: Constitution Day

Aaron Burr had no brothers. Cousins yes, brothers no.


17 posted on 11/21/2005 7:04:18 AM PST by gaspar
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Last Tuesday, the Senate voted 79-19 to require that President Bush identify a strategy for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.

Burr voted no. Dole voted yes.

NC is quickly transforming itself into a socialist empire like Northeastern states. The corruption as evidenced by the lottery scandel rivals anything in old Eastern Europe. Our socialists just have more wealth to transfer.

And Dole long ago was transformed into a "Liberal" because of too much big government solutions koolaid.

18 posted on 11/21/2005 7:08:37 AM PST by alrea (Truman, FDR, Kennedy, Reagan & Bush each caused strong economic growth by cutting taxes.)
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To: gaspar

I'm sure you're right. I just remember that is ancestor was a pretty close relation.


19 posted on 11/21/2005 7:10:31 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: newzjunkey
How does she compare with the other women in the U.S. Senate?

Well, she's older than most of them. But seriously...

Whenever someone asks my opinion of Senator Dole, I end up "damning her with faint praise." She's... OK. For sure, she's no Jesse Helms, and it's difficult to follow a legend. Ask Bill Guthridge, who succeeded Dean Smith as UNC basketball coach. Dole will be like Guthridge: an adequate placeholder until the real thing comes along.

She has a tinge of RINOism for sure. But she looks mighty good compared to the Maine duo, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, who are real RINOs.

If you like to go by the ratings (and they should be taken with a large grain of salt), Liddy's ACU numbers are 86 lifetime, 92 for 2004.

20 posted on 11/21/2005 7:20:32 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina (I've upped my standards! Up yours!)
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To: alrea
NC is quickly transforming itself into a socialist empire like Northeastern states. The corruption as evidenced by the lottery scandel rivals anything in old Eastern Europe. Our socialists just have more wealth to transfer.

You are so right!!! It's like everyone who moved here from up north did so to escape high taxes and an overblown local government, yet they kept their same voting habits. Not to pick on our friends to the north, but between them and the Hispanic invasion from the south, NC has certainly lost the conservative majority that once existed. And don’t look to NC Republicans for help. Most of them are just one good special interest group away from being a Democrat.

21 posted on 11/21/2005 7:40:29 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: conservativecorner; billbears
"She heads up the NRSC, and they just gave Chafee $200,000 to battle a conservative Republican in the Primary. Can someone explain why we are giving ANY money to a man that publicly said he couldn't support Bush 43 in the general election, and also a man that is at odds with the Republican Party more than the demoncrat Party? He's a RINO that should be shunned. Better to lose the seat, and start from the ground up with a REAL Republican."

I don't know, but I think it's because Dole is the model RINO - or at least the pattern for all else to be molded from. Heck, we spent a lot of effort in 2000 trying to convince logical North Carolinians she (Dole) hasn't been affiliated with this state for more than three decades until it became convenient for her to do so and knows NOTHING about the concerns of this state. A few of us KNEW what we'd get with that woman, yet no one wanted to listen - they only wanted someone who could "win back the Senate". Look what it's cost us. A bunch of RINO's who're no better than a common Democrat. At least the common Democrat is true to their color. Ask Billbears....

22 posted on 11/21/2005 7:56:17 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Constitution Day

I'm a Davis. Want to know who I'm descended from?

(And NO - Gray was from the bastard side...;-) )


23 posted on 11/21/2005 7:58:46 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: RacerF150
NC has certainly lost the conservative majority that once existed.

Ah yes, the state that worshipped Jim Hunt all those years.

The "conservative" Democrat good old boys from Easley and Basnight to Jim Black and RINO Richard Morgan are all locals, supported by locals.

The tax-and-spend protectionist liberals who run this state could stand to learn a good hard lesson from the conservative young midwestern families (the EEEEVIL Yankees) who've moved to the state.

24 posted on 11/21/2005 8:10:29 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Veterans' Day. Enough said.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

I have been quietly seething about these shameful votes by Liddy Dole. It's about time for Tarheels to tell her to pack her carpetbag.


25 posted on 11/21/2005 8:23:14 AM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: calrighty; southernnorthcarolina
"Alaska will still get the money, but can spend it on other projects."

So what was gained here??

Political cover.

26 posted on 11/21/2005 8:25:54 AM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat

Al Capone could learn from these thieves!!


27 posted on 11/21/2005 8:38:23 AM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: southernnorthcarolina; azhenfud
She has a tinge of RINOism for sure

A tinge? I think not. She is a dyed in the wool Republican. Everything the Republican party has truly stood for is exhibited in Giddy. Now is she conservative? Not by a long shot. It is clear the honorable Senator Helms, along with Ronald Reagan, were just aberrations in the Republican party, a long line of big government, wasteful spending, centralization focused, power grabbing political hacks.

Course that's just my two cents. I could be wrong but I'm not.

28 posted on 11/21/2005 9:39:52 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: JohnnyZ
The tax-and-spend protectionist liberals who run this state could stand to learn a good hard lesson from the conservative young midwestern families (the EEEEVIL Yankees) who've moved to the state.

Very true! But one correction.....Midwesterners are not Yankees.....they are tumbleweeds.

29 posted on 11/21/2005 11:19:34 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: RacerF150
Everyone from "the North" (anything outside the Confederacy) is referred to as a Yankee. I have not heard a single person say "tumbleweed" in any context in my time as a NC Yankee.

But then again I'm not buddies with Easley and Basnight, so I don't know the terms they use.

30 posted on 11/21/2005 11:57:11 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Veterans' Day. Enough said.)
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To: conservativecorner

It is indeed a waste of money, but Laffey is not a conservative.


31 posted on 11/21/2005 12:01:26 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: JohnnyZ
Everyone from "the North" (anything outside the Confederacy) is referred to as a Yankee. I have not heard a single person say "tumbleweed" in any context in my time as a NC Yankee.

Don't expect to hear it. We won't use the term to your face. We have manners. (just kidding)

But then again I'm not buddies with Easley and Basnight, so I don't know the terms they use.

Neither am I.

32 posted on 11/21/2005 1:01:03 PM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: Republican Wildcat

The Republican Party Shouldn't Get Involved In Lincoln Chafee's Primary
Right Wing News ^ | Nov. 16, 2005 | John Hawkins





You want to know why Republicans in Congress, particularly in the Senate, seem so weak, disorganized, and inept? It's because of the same sort of mentality that led them to do this:

"The National Republican Senatorial Committee is up with its second ad this month attacking Cranston (R.I.) Mayor Steve Laffey, who is challenging Sen. Lincoln Chafee in next year's GOP primary.

The new ad, which takes the form of a cartoon, paints Laffey as a comic-book character starring in "Laffeyland Tales."

The narrator says Laffey used taxpayer dollars to soundproof his mayoral office and spent "thousands on spy cameras to spy on employees."

"Bizarre...but the joke's on us," the narrator says, adding that Cranston had the highest property taxes in the state under Laffey and that Laffey raised taxes twice. "Tax and Spend Steve Laffey ... Nobody's laughing now," the narrator intones at the ad's close.

The commercial, which hit the airwaves Sunday, was produced by OnMessage Inc. for the NRSC, according to spokesman Brian Nick."

First of all, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which is supposed to represent all Republicans, has no business getting involved in primaries at all. Imagine giving money to the NRSC and then having them spend it to support the prototypical RINO in a race against a slightly more conservative Republican. No wonder their fundraising stinks.

Aside from that, this is a dumb move for a second reason: it sends the message to Republicans up on the Hill that the Party will support them no matter what.

That's a huge mistake.

Look, we all know that there are a lot of squishes in Congress, particularly from some of these North-Eastern states, and that they're not always going to support the party. We should be able to live with that because the reality is that you're not going to get a Tom Coburn or George Allen elected in liberal states like Rhode Island or Maine.

Still, even if you're stuck with these RINOS, you should at least be able to count on their support when the going gets tough -- but that's not true at all. Even when we really need their votes, the RINOs may go the other way.

Why is that?

It's because the GOP doesn't enforce Party discipline. In Chafee's case, you have a left-of-center "Republican," who people thought might switch parties in 2002, and he didn't even vote for Bush in 2004. Yet, you have the GOP running ads against another Republican in an effort to get Chafee reelected.

Why?

Let Chafee sink or swim on his own and if he sinks, Laffey wins, and horror or horrors, we lose the seat -- which isn't a given by the way -- and then guess what? We'll have a bunch of squishes thinking seriously about whether they want to keep crossing the Party over and over on important issues if it costs them support at election time.

The truth is that we may 55 Republican Senators, but since 4-7 of them may jump ship on any given issue, in practical terms, the GOP can never be sure of getting 50 votes when it counts. That needs to stop and if the GOP were to stand by and watch as Lincoln Chafee's political career came to an abrupt end, it would be a great way to send a message to the other RINOs.


33 posted on 11/21/2005 1:38:34 PM PST by conservativecorner
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